Revised to be more boring: Nurkic to Charlotte

[babyjax13]

Green is better because he plays but they don't need more guards and so further diluting their assets here still feels like a mistake.

Now Nurkic for Green no picks if you have a way to flip Allen/pick(s)? for a good big and then okay maybe.

I just don't see good options for Nurkic, tbh. This gets someone playable and moving Allen with picks for better depth seems a lot more doable. But, there's probably something out there I'm not seeing, I'm just trying to figure out what Phoenix does after making this deal with Utah while apparently not having anything lined up.

They should’ve got back better 1sts but the 2031 1st pick would’ve been frozen after the deadline if they didn’t get out of the 2nd apron. This also unlocked the even years 1sts to be traded as well. People think all we had was the 2031 1st but we still have 26,28,30. It’s actually a solid move due to the circumstances but they should’ve got at least 1 2nd least favorable 1st.

You really don't have 26, 28, and 30 --- or at least in the sense that Phoenix likely won't have its own picks because of the number of swaps on each of them. Also, I think it is the 2032 1st that is the first that can be frozen? I might be wrong.

[dremill24]

I just don't see good options for Nurkic, tbh. This gets someone playable and moving Allen with picks for better depth seems a lot more doable. But, there's probably something out there I'm not seeing, I'm just trying to figure out what Phoenix does after making this deal with Utah while apparently not having anything lined up.

They should’ve got back better 1sts but the 2031 1st pick would’ve been frozen after the deadline if they didn’t get out of the 2nd apron. This also unlocked the even years 1sts to be traded as well. People think all we had was the 2031 1st but we still have 26,28,30. It’s actually a solid move due to the circumstances but they should’ve got at least 1 2nd least favorable 1st.

You really don't have 26, 28, and 30 --- or at least in the sense that Phoenix likely won't have its own picks because of the number of swaps on each of them. Also, I think it is the 2032 1st that is the first that can be frozen? I might be wrong.

That's right

[JMAC3]

I don't think Charlotte giving 34th pick to get the 29th pick is worth swapping Green for Nurkic. Feels way too good for Suns.

[JMAC3]

I would be more open to the deal if the first the Suns were giving was the 2027 or 2029 first. Give me something more to hope for then a 95% chance of pick 29.

[MasterIchiro]

I don't think Charlotte giving 34th pick to get the 29th pick is worth swapping Green for Nurkic. Feels way too good for Suns.

Yeah, Hornets are taking dead money for negligible compensation. It's not well-thought out.

[Texas Chuck]

Hornets are moving out a bunch of money in either version. This idea that the Hornets are taking on bad money forces us to pretend they send no money out.

Never understood how so many posters count every penny coming in and want to demand the world for it, but ignore the dollars going out. It's one of the most confusing tropes on this board. But its everywhere all the time.

[jredsaz]

Adapting Hornetjail's better idea
PHX trades: Jusuf Nurkic, 2025 CLE 1st, 2025 DEN/PHI 2nd (less favorable)
CHA trades: Josh Green, Seth Curry (or DaQuan Jeffries), 2025 NOP 2nd

Phoenix flips Nurkic for a rotation player by moving down slightly in the draft. Charlotte moves up a little and gets off the last year of Green.

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PHX trades: Jusuf Nurkic
CHA trades: Grant Williams, Seth Curry (or DaQuan Jeffries)

Phoenix trades a guy out of their rotation for a player that is out for the season, but they do add ... a deep bench guy?
Charlotte trims the last year off Williams' contract.

I don’t think that’s what Phoenix is looking for.

[They_Them_Hatin]

I just don't see good options for Nurkic, tbh. This gets someone playable and moving Allen with picks for better depth seems a lot more doable. But, there's probably something out there I'm not seeing, I'm just trying to figure out what Phoenix does after making this deal with Utah while apparently not having anything lined up.

They should’ve got back better 1sts but the 2031 1st pick would’ve been frozen after the deadline if they didn’t get out of the 2nd apron. This also unlocked the even years 1sts to be traded as well. People think all we had was the 2031 1st but we still have 26,28,30. It’s actually a solid move due to the circumstances but they should’ve got at least 1 2nd least favorable 1st.

You really don't have 26, 28, and 30 --- or at least in the sense that Phoenix likely won't have its own picks because of the number of swaps on each of them. Also, I think it is the 2032 1st that is the first that can be frozen? I might be wrong.

I know they’re swaps but they still can be traded. They couldn’t be traded because we didn’t have any of the odd years. Now we do. It’s 2031 and up. Regardless, no one wants Beal and if some dumb team does, we still will be in the 2nd apron for the next 3 years and those picks will be frozen.

[JMAC3]

Hornets are moving out a bunch of money in either version. This idea that the Hornets are taking on bad money forces us to pretend they send no money out.

Never understood how so many posters count every penny coming in and want to demand the world for it, but ignore the dollars going out. It's one of the most confusing tropes on this board. But its everywhere all the time.

Yes, the Hornets are sending out Josh Green and an expiring, but at least Green plays and is somewhat useful as an average defender and good 3pt shooter. He is probably slightly overpaid I would agree but Nurkic looks to be 20 million in nearly dead cap.

Moving up 5 draft spots in this draft isn't worth trading a more useful player, even if it saves us money 3 years from now. Throwing a 2nd rounder in that will be in the 50s this year does nothing to even this out.

If Hornets are helping the Suns out this much they need to be rewarded more than this is all we are saying. I would be open to other versions of this deal but OP just doesn't make sense.

[JMAC3]

My Counter Offer would be Josh Green, Taj Gibson 2029 Nuggets 2nd, 2030 Nuggets 2nd for Nurkic and 2029 1st (worst of Minny, Utah, Cleveland).

Charlotte gets more upside on the pick in the future without giving up a top 35 pick this year.

Suns get a useful player in Green whose contract is easier to flip into the future, save to 3.3 million which I assume is decent savings as tax team, they add two more picks to their arsenal to help with future trades. Also, Josh Green can help them on the court unlike Nurkic- maybe makes moving Allen a bit easier in the future.

Bonus, moving Taj to more of a contender feels like good Karma.

[Texas Chuck]

Hornets are moving out a bunch of money in either version. This idea that the Hornets are taking on bad money forces us to pretend they send no money out.

Never understood how so many posters count every penny coming in and want to demand the world for it, but ignore the dollars going out. It's one of the most confusing tropes on this board. But its everywhere all the time.

Yes, the Hornets are sending out Josh Green and an expiring, but at least Green plays and is somewhat useful as an average defender and good 3pt shooter. He is probably slightly overpaid I would agree but Nurkic looks to be 20 million in nearly dead cap.

Moving up 5 draft spots in this draft isn't worth trading a more useful player, even if it saves us money 3 years from now. Throwing a 2nd rounder in that will be in the 50s this year does nothing to even this out.

If Hornets are helping the Suns out this much they need to be rewarded more than this is all we are saying. I would be open to other versions of this deal but OP just doesn't make sense.

Totally different though. The incentive is for the projected difference in play, not for taking on money. If the incentive isn't enough they shouldn't make the deal. Because if this has to be framed as Charlotte taking on bad money, well Phoenix is also taking on bad money.

But the reality here is both sides send out a bunch of money so the compensation is tied mostly to the players and which one is perceived to have more value.

[JMAC3]

Hornets are moving out a bunch of money in either version. This idea that the Hornets are taking on bad money forces us to pretend they send no money out.

Never understood how so many posters count every penny coming in and want to demand the world for it, but ignore the dollars going out. It's one of the most confusing tropes on this board. But its everywhere all the time.

Yes, the Hornets are sending out Josh Green and an expiring, but at least Green plays and is somewhat useful as an average defender and good 3pt shooter. He is probably slightly overpaid I would agree but Nurkic looks to be 20 million in nearly dead cap.

Moving up 5 draft spots in this draft isn't worth trading a more useful player, even if it saves us money 3 years from now. Throwing a 2nd rounder in that will be in the 50s this year does nothing to even this out.

If Hornets are helping the Suns out this much they need to be rewarded more than this is all we are saying. I would be open to other versions of this deal but OP just doesn't make sense.

Totally different though. The incentive is for the projected difference in play, not for taking on money. If the incentive isn't enough they shouldn't make the deal. Because if this has to be framed as Charlotte taking on bad money, well Phoenix is also taking on bad money.

But the reality here is both sides send out a bunch of money so the compensation is tied mostly to the players and which one is perceived to have more value.

I get it you are low on Josh Green now that he is off your team but there is no way downgrading from Green to Nurkic is only worth moving up 5 draft slots in the 30s. Nurkic is getting DNP over Mason Plumlee lol.

[MasterIchiro]

My Counter Offer would be Josh Green, Taj Gibson 2029 Nuggets 2nd, 2030 Nuggets 2nd for Nurkic and 2029 1st (worst of Minny, Utah, Cleveland).

Charlotte gets more upside on the pick in the future without giving up a top 35 pick this year.

Suns get a useful player in Green whose contract is easier to flip into the future, save to 3.3 million which I assume is decent savings as tax team, they add two more picks to their arsenal to help with future trades. Also, Josh Green can help them on the court unlike Nurkic- maybe makes moving Allen a bit easier in the future.

Bonus, moving Taj to more of a contender feels like good Karma.

I like this framework but I'm flexible on Green vs. Martin. The rumor in the aftermath of the Okogie deal was the Suns coveted Martin. Well, Suns gave the Hornets a replacement for Martin, so we're free to deal Cody. And the Suns have the pu pu platter of 1sts to send one attached to Nurkic to move him, as was the original plan to send Nurkic for Richards + Martin.

I know you prefer to move Green, but it matters that the Suns covet Martin. I wouldn't turn down a 1st round pick.

I believe Martin's contract gives the Suns flexibility and has reached peak value whereas Green's value could be appreciating given his young age.

Next deadline, Green's contract will be 1 year shorter and he may have improved baseline performance.

Definitely not worth the argument.

[Texas Chuck]

Yes, the Hornets are sending out Josh Green and an expiring, but at least Green plays and is somewhat useful as an average defender and good 3pt shooter. He is probably slightly overpaid I would agree but Nurkic looks to be 20 million in nearly dead cap.

Moving up 5 draft spots in this draft isn't worth trading a more useful player, even if it saves us money 3 years from now. Throwing a 2nd rounder in that will be in the 50s this year does nothing to even this out.

If Hornets are helping the Suns out this much they need to be rewarded more than this is all we are saying. I would be open to other versions of this deal but OP just doesn't make sense.

Totally different though. The incentive is for the projected difference in play, not for taking on money. If the incentive isn't enough they shouldn't make the deal. Because if this has to be framed as Charlotte taking on bad money, well Phoenix is also taking on bad money.

But the reality here is both sides send out a bunch of money so the compensation is tied mostly to the players and which one is perceived to have more value.

I get it you are low on Josh Green now that he is off your team but there is no way downgrading from Green to Nurkic is only worth moving up 5 draft slots in the 30s. Nurkic is getting DNP over Mason Plumlee lol.

Oh goodness. A needless assertion that I'm a homer when at no point did I say Charlotte should make the trade. What I tried to point out was simply the inaccuracy of claiming Charlotte was taking on money.

Oh well. I tried.

[JMAC3]

Totally different though. The incentive is for the projected difference in play, not for taking on money. If the incentive isn't enough they shouldn't make the deal. Because if this has to be framed as Charlotte taking on bad money, well Phoenix is also taking on bad money.

But the reality here is both sides send out a bunch of money so the compensation is tied mostly to the players and which one is perceived to have more value.

I get it you are low on Josh Green now that he is off your team but there is no way downgrading from Green to Nurkic is only worth moving up 5 draft slots in the 30s. Nurkic is getting DNP over Mason Plumlee lol.

Oh goodness. A needless assertion that I'm a homer when at no point did I say Charlotte should make the trade. What I tried to point out was simply the inaccuracy of claiming Charlotte was taking on money.

Oh well. I tried.

Charlotte would be taking on additional 3.5 million this year, 6 million next year additional next year for a guy that might not even play lol. Saving the Suns boatload of cash in this deal, Giving Charlotte less Cap space next summer but yes none of that can be brought up. I don't understand how that is not us taking on money.

Heaven forbid Suns take on a 3rd year for a guy that is 24 yrs old, shooting 40% from three and playing 28 mpg. Honestly there is probably more value for Suns that Green is extended because they have no cap space either way if he was expiring.

Oh WeLl I tRiEd

[Texas Chuck]

So you agree Charlotte is moving out more money than they give up so the whole posts about them taking on money were wrong. That was all that needed to be said.

I don't disagree with you that Charlotte shouldn't do this btw. I just think it stops with Phoenix first. They are the team trying to win and this doesn't help. So they would reject if first.

Mocking me probably feels pretty good though.