Hou/Pho/Mia - Rockets look to exploit

[Laimbeer]

Houston is taking on Beal for two crappy firsts?

[LarsV8]

Houston is taking on Beal for two crappy firsts?

If you think about it though, Houston achieves quite a bit here.

1.) 2 firsts, which aren't great, but as of now, Houston doesn't really have many "crappy" 1sts to trade in minor deals. Take for example Rwill. He is a player who could help the Rockets, but we don't really have a crappy 1st to send for him.
2.) I personally think 3 & D role players are the key to being successful in this new CBA. I like Ryan Dunn ALOT, and Houston could build an even more monster defensive team long term, with him.
3.) Upgrades backup point guard
4.) Adds options for 3 point shooting, which we desperately need. Jones and Beal would be our top two 3 point shooters.
5.) Cripples Phoenix long term, while owning their picks. I am loving the idea in 2027 of a 38 year old Butler and 28 year old Durant trying, with absolutely zero depth or assets trying to win games.
6.) Sets us up for a huge trade in 2027. Beals expiring contract + 6 picks in just 2027 and 2029.

And what is the cost exactly? Tillman would have to open his pocket books, but it only really costs a propsect in Whitmore and and a rotation player in Steven Adams.

[Tallred23]

Phoenix definitely says no. This would be far too much for them to give up and it doesn’t make them better.

Houston probably says no… not sure. It’s not awful value for them, getting all that draft compensation and a young cost controlled defender like Dunn is good compensation for paying Beal for two years. Plus they get Tyus Jones which is a useful piece. Not to mention Beal himself, while drastically overpaid, is not a bad player and would give them great minutes off the bench. The problem with Houston is the “opportunity cost” here. This trade may be decent for them but it would hamper their ability to do other things if they present themselves. Last thing they want is to take in Beal’s contract and then KD or Fox demand a trade to a Houston two days later and they no longer have the means to go get that star player. Simply due to this I’d think they’d decline this deal. Even if the compensation for them is fair.

[oldncreaky]

Bring Beal back.

Suns send Beal, Allen, 2 FRPs - 25 FRP, 27 FRP
Wizards send Kuzma, Poole

Beal returns to help lead the Wizards back into contention. Wizards get a pick in 25 and 27 which will most likely be late FRPs.
Suns get a PF who can shoot and Poole to play PG.

Wizards lead the league in rookie minutes. It's painful, but making a u-turn to re-acquire Beal is the wrong thing to do: they won't contend anymore than the last time Beal was in WAS

As for PHO, NBA.COM has them 23rd in DefRtg, and swapping Beal for Kuzma and Poole would just make it worse

If Beal signed off on it and they are real 1sts, not fake firsts (I haven't checked), I'd do it.

Beal's just dead weight in terms of the franchise's future, but the same could be said for Kuzma and Poole and it's worth it for 2 1sts. Allen is competent as well and can probably be moved next year.

I was thinking about this overnight (the trade deadline can be such a time suck!) and you've convinced me this makes sense

Looking at WAS' cap sheet for the next few years, they are at least 2 seasons away from signing a large rookie extension (Coulabali) and at least 3 from having a shortage of cap space. With the salary floor of 90% of the cap, you don't really have the option of doing what OKC did for a few years and holding tons of cap space -- you have to spend on someone. I don't think it's likely that WAS attracts FAs in the next couple of years either. As you say, with this trade, you'd get assets now, probably assets next season for flipping Allen, and you might even get assets for Beal in his last contract year

And after a bench role in PHO, Beal just might prefer being back in familiar surroundings too.

[Xman]

[quote="oldncreaky"][quote="penbeast0"][quote="oldncreaky"]

Wizards lead the league in rookie minutes. It's painful, but making a u-turn to re-acquire Beal is the wrong thing to do: they won't contend anymore than the last time Beal was in WAS

As for PHO, NBA.COM has them 23rd in DefRtg, and swapping Beal for Kuzma and Poole would just make it worse[/quote]

If Beal signed off on it and they are real 1sts, not fake firsts (I haven't checked), I'd do it.

Beal's just dead weight in terms of the franchise's future, but the same could be said for Kuzma and Poole and it's worth it for 2 1sts. Allen is competent as well and can probably be moved next year.[/quote]

I was thinking about this overnight (the trade deadline can be such a time suck!) and you've convinced me this makes sense

Looking at WAS' cap sheet for the next few years, they are at least 2 seasons away from signing a large rookie extension (Coulabali) and at least 3 from having a shortage of cap space. With the salary floor of 90% of the cap, you don't really have the option of doing what OKC did for a few years and holding tons of cap space -- you have to spend on someone. I don't think it's likely that WAS attracts FAs in the next couple of years either. As you say, with this trade, you'd get assets now, probably assets next season for flipping Allen, and you might even get assets for Beal in his last contract year

And after a bench role in PHO, Beal just might prefer being back in familiar surroundings too.[/quote]

If Beal accepts Washington.
Phx gets Butler
Miami gets Ingram, Brogdon, Theis, Bagley (optional or lesser salary).
NO gets kuzma, JVal, Baldwin
Was gets DRob, Beal, all phx picks
Miami gets players and expiring so no picks.
NO gets depth at pf and center where it needs it. Might send a couple of seconds to NO from Washington.
Washington gets three firsts. DRob is less than $10 mil hit if cut. Rides out Poole/Beal over paid backcourt through rebuild.

[JeffFosters]

My lord, you don't have Houston exploiting the situation, you have them straight up robbing! You're taking everything! Phoenix isn't your farm league team. They're not giving you all those ancillary pieces. If Phoenix were willing to include Dunn and Jones as filler, it probably would have been done by now.

Acquiring Beal and his $60m/3 years contract, while actually surrendering cheap young talent, would be among the worst NBA front office decisions of the last few decades. I’d have it as worse than the Pierce/Garnett to BKN trade.

The rockets are building something special and have absolutely no reason to torpedo their salary cap. Rounding out your bench doesn’t mean acquiring a $60m aging role player.

Not only that but Beal would be arriving with his NTC, meaning they probably can’t move him again.

[JeffFosters]

Houston is taking on Beal for two crappy firsts?

Had to double check it wasn’t April 1st