LeBron for Beal, can you make it work?

[penbeast0]

I want Dunn , 2031 unprotected and Beal to decline his option.

That would still be a good deal for Phoenix who is built short term and yes, I like Dunn better than a future first for LA as well. Don't think Beal's giving up money to help though.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

I want Dunn , 2031 unprotected and Beal to decline his option.

That would still be a good deal for Phoenix who is built short term and yes, I like Dunn better than a future first for LA as well. Don't think Beal's giving up money to help though.

I'll probably settle for 2 out of the 3 honestly

[gswhoops]

I want Dunn , 2031 unprotected and Beal to decline his option.

That would still be a good deal for Phoenix who is built short term and yes, I like Dunn better than a future first for LA as well. Don't think Beal's giving up money to help though.

I'll probably settle for 2 out of the 3 honestly

PHX traded their 2031 1st already and Beal definitely isn’t turning down 57 million dollars to be Luka’s sidekick so…

[Apz]

Is this how they try to sell to luka to resign? Beal? Luka cant get his supermax anymore, so nothing really too lose to just wait and see how they build. Luka is soon 26, cant see him have any intrest in a team not planning to be competive until like 3 years from now

[kobe_vs_jordan]

That would still be a good deal for Phoenix who is built short term and yes, I like Dunn better than a future first for LA as well. Don't think Beal's giving up money to help though.

I'll probably settle for 2 out of the 3 honestly

PHX traded their 2031 1st already and Beal definitely isn’t turning down 57 million dollars to be Luka’s sidekick so…

Forgot they already traded the pick

[jbk1234]

Is On/Off how we judge players on this forum board?

His +/- is also in the negative this season. What's notable is that it's the first time in his 20+ season career that he's been negative in either.

Now post Beal's!

-6.5 / -11.6

I guess the question is whether there's still hope Beal could bounce back at 31-32 versus LBJ at 40-41. I could see Beal's additional year being the deal breaker here though.

[penbeast0]

If I'm Luka, I'm looking to stay in LA if the offer is there. They are probably THE prime free agent city and can rebuild quickly. I'd rather have Beal and young players/picks (Dunn and 2 late 1sts) if that works with the apron limitations than LeBron because I don't think they can get there this year, probably not next. Long term you are correct that an extra year of Beal limits the FA possibilities and that would be a good reason for turning it down.

For LeBron, playing with Durant and Booker to make a real big three should be more attractive than playing with Luka and meh and LeBron's forced things before so, long shot but outside possibility.

[Apz]

If I'm Luka, I'm looking to stay in LA if the offer is there. They are probably THE prime free agent city and can rebuild quickly. I'd rather have Beal and young players/picks (Dunn and 2 late 1sts) if that works with the apron limitations than LeBron because I don't think they can get there this year, probably not next. Long term you are correct that an extra year of Beal limits the FA possibilities and that would be a good reason for turning it down.

For LeBron, playing with Durant and Booker to make a real big three should be more attractive than playing with Luka and meh and LeBron's forced things before so, long shot but outside possibility.

But luka got no reason to stay in LA if they suck. He can basicly force his way wherever he wants if he doest like the outlooks in LA. Does he prefer to play in SA with wemby and spit in dallas fo face? No problem, they give up fox as matching 100/100

[dcstanley]

A -8.7 on/off is pretty close to end-of-road Dirk territory.

Is On/Off how we judge players on this forum board?

His +/- is also in the negative this season. What's notable is that it's the first time in his 20+ season career that he's been negative in either.

Lebron is 43rd in an average of the four best impact metrics (VPM, EPM, LEBRON, Darko)

Haven't looked at all for Beal but he's barely top 250 in EPM and LEBRON

[jbk1234]

Is On/Off how we judge players on this forum board?

His +/- is also in the negative this season. What's notable is that it's the first time in his 20+ season career that he's been negative in either.

Lebron is 43rd in an average of the four best impact metrics (VPM, EPM, LEBRON, Darko)

Haven't looked at all for Beal but he's barely top 250 in EPM and LEBRON

If fans want continue to rely upon on stats like EPM when there's a significant delta between those stats and the raw on/off or +/- data, they're free to do so, but that's foolish IMO.

[PistolPeteJR]

If LBJ opts in this summer, and I have to think there's a really good chance he does, then Luka's getting saddled either way.

Lebron is still a better player than Beal. And its one less year.

A -8.7 on/off is pretty close to end-of-road Dirk territory.

We both know how much noise there is behind plus/minus. Please stop. Comparing this year's LeBron to 2019 Dirk is an absolute troll comparison.

[dcstanley]

His +/- is also in the negative this season. What's notable is that it's the first time in his 20+ season career that he's been negative in either.

Lebron is 43rd in an average of the four best impact metrics (VPM, EPM, LEBRON, Darko)

Haven't looked at all for Beal but he's barely top 250 in EPM and LEBRON

If fans want continue to rely upon on stats like EPM when there's a significant delta between those stats and the raw on/off or +/- data, they're free to do so, but that's foolish IMO.

Lebron's +/- is more of a function of team-building. Lakers did not have playable bigs besides AD and an awful bench so he was often in lineups with Gabe Vincent, Dalton Knecht, Jaxson hayes/Christian Koloko. As the Lakers have gotten healthier and improved the roster (Vanderbilt's return and DFS trade), the lineups have become more balanced and his +/- has stabilized.

Lebron is +66 in the last ten games.

[jbk1234]

Lebron is 43rd in an average of the four best impact metrics (VPM, EPM, LEBRON, Darko)

Haven't looked at all for Beal but he's barely top 250 in EPM and LEBRON

If fans want continue to rely upon on stats like EPM when there's a significant delta between those stats and the raw on/off or +/- data, they're free to do so, but that's foolish IMO.

Lebron's +/- is more of a function of team-building. Lakers did not have playable bigs besides AD and an awful bench so he was often in lineups with Gabe Vincent, Dalton Knecht, Jaxson hayes/hristian Koloko. As the Lakers have gotten healthier and improved the roster (Vanderbilt's return and DFS trade), the lineups have become more balanced and his +/- has stabilized.

Lebron is +66 in the last ten games.

They've had a relatively soft schedule over the last 10 games. There's another half season to play. The proof will be in the pudding.

[GoBobs]

I was actually thinking of just this trade the other day and I think it would go something like this...

Suns out: Grayson Allen, Beal, the firsts they have to trade
Suns in: Lebron, Gabe Vincent

Heat out: Jimmy Butler
Heat in: Grayson Allen, Austin Reeves, Rui Hachimura, Suns 1st,

Pelicans out: Zion
Pelicans in: Butler, Suns 1st, Lakers 1st

Lakers out: Lebron, Austin Reeves, Gabe Vincent, Rui H. 1st
Lakers in: Zion, Beal

[Apz]

I was actually thinking of just this trade the other day and I think it would go something like this...

Suns out: Grayson Allen, Beal, the firsts they have to trade
Suns in: Lebron, Gabe Vincent

Heat out: Jimmy Butler
Heat in: Grayson Allen, Austin Reeves, Rui Hachimura, Suns 1st,

Pelicans out: Zion
Pelicans in: Butler, Suns 1st, Lakers 1st

Lakers out: Lebron, Austin Reeves, Gabe Vincent, Rui H. 1st
Lakers in: Zion, Beal

Dont see why lakers pay when they take on beal?