Jimmy to Hawks? MIA/ATL/TOR

wvlfhawk · Post #1 » by **wvlfhawk** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:14 pm

Sorry if some iteration of this has been discussed on this board recently. Just got back on after awhile! But does anyone else see ATL as a good landing spot for Jimmy? Gets to pair with a legit star in Trae, and they have some good complimentary pieces and moveable salary. Hard to get an idea of Jimmy's value atm, but I think something with this framework could be the best offer. Picks can be moved around.

MIA in: DeAndre Hunter, Bruce Brown
MIA out: Jimmy Butler

ATL in: Jimmy Butler
ATL out: DeAndre Hunter, Clint Capela

TOR in: Clint Capela..seconds or a young prospect to incentivize them to help out in this trade (Gueye?)
TOR out: Bruce Brown

Why for MIA? DeAndre Hunter is having a great season and is on an even better contract. I'm not sure they'll get that sort of value from elsewhere in this Jimmy deal. He can slot right into their starting lineup. Bruce Brown fits the team better this season instead of getting Capela back. + Brown could be a guy you want to pursue in free agency, and you get to see his fit for the remainder of this season.

MIA lineup (not sure what to do with Terry b/c of ongoing gambling probe.)

Herro/Rozier
Brown/Robinson
Hunter/Highsmith
Jaquez Jr/Jovic
Bam/Ware

Why for ATL? Upgrade to get Trae a co-star without mortgaging future. Hunter is a big loss, but they have Risascher there on the come up who they would likely prioritze ahead of him. This trade creates a pretty well-rounded team for ATL with a more clear pecking order, I like this team defensively and offensively, with multiple shot creators and switchable defenders. Trae/Jimmy/Jalen Johnson could be a worthy top 3 next year with the steps JJ has taken this season. I know Johnson is out for the year. So this is what next season could look like if this trade is made now.

ATL lineup

Trae/Bufkin
Dyson/Bogdanovic
Butler/Risascher
Johnson/Nance
Okongwu/Zeller (Would probably look in FA to beef up front court depth)

Why for TOR? They're a team going nowhere and it's an expiring for an expiring. I guess this opens up minutes to get some of their younger wings and guards more minutes. If you're ATL you could throw a couple seconds to incentivize them to help out this trade.

Do you guys think this makes sense? Does it make ATL a contender in the east? I think the lineup with Jimmy fits what you need around Trae. For Miami I know the idea has always been they'd want expirings to open up free agency money, but Hunter can fit into any lineup and is on a cheap deal for his ability, so I think there could be an exception made for him. Let me know what you all think!

jayjaysee · Post #2 » by **jayjaysee** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:22 pm

Think Atlanta requires Bogdan inclusion to stay under the tax. No idea where he goes, but Atlanta becomes a tax team next season because of this deal. Don’t see them starting the clock this year.

Do understand the target for Atlanta. Just don’t see them willing to give him a full extension so assume we will hear Jimmy isn’t interested in Atlanta..

Post #3 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:24 pm

jayjaysee wrote:Think Atlanta requires Bogdan inclusion to stay under the tax. No idea where he goes, but Atlanta becomes a tax team next season because of this deal. Don’t see them starting the clock this year.

Do understand the target for Atlanta. Just don’t see them willing to give him a full extension so assume we will hear Jimmy isn’t interested in Atlanta..

If they trade for Butler, they need to be willing to pay the tax.

Post #4 » by **BBallFreak** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:48 pm

I mean, I guess. I don't love it but I can't really complain about it (mainly because Hunter's contact is a year too long). One thing I would say though is that you should probably have a better understanding of what a team does before making a trade for them.

Herro/Rozier
Robinson/Brown
Hunter/Jacquez/Highsmith
Bam/Jovic
Ware/Love

Miami has gone big with their lineup, and I can't imagine they're going to sacrifice the spacing that Robinson brings for Brown's very average 3 point shooting.

jayjaysee · Post #5 » by **jayjaysee** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:48 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:Think Atlanta requires Bogdan inclusion to stay under the tax. No idea where he goes, but Atlanta becomes a tax team next season because of this deal. Don’t see them starting the clock this year.

Do understand the target for Atlanta. Just don’t see them willing to give him a full extension so assume we will hear Jimmy isn’t interested in Atlanta..

If they trade for Butler, they need to be willing to pay the tax.

They could be willing to pay the tax for 3 years or more. I don’t know. But there’s no reason to sit on Bogdan and start the clock this season?

Bogdan, Capela, Hunter, Kobe allows them to do (something) like Butler, 2 vet mins and one of Olynyk or Boucher and stay under the tax.

wvlfhawk · Post #6 » by **wvlfhawk** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:53 pm

BBallFreak wrote:I mean, I guess. I don't love it but I can't really complain about it (mainly because Hunter's contact is a year too long). One thing I would say though is that you should probably have a better understanding of what a team does before making a trade for them.

Herro/Rozier
Robinson/Brown
Hunter/Jacquez/Highsmith
Bam/Jovic
Ware/Love

Miami has gone big with their lineup, and I can't imagine they're going to sacrifice the spacing that Robinson brings for Brown's very average 3 point shooting.

Thanks - had missed that the Heat moved Ware into starting lineup and were going double bigs.

Post #7 » by **BBallFreak** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:54 pm

wvlfhawk wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:I mean, I guess. I don't love it but I can't really complain about it (mainly because Hunter's contact is a year too long). One thing I would say though is that you should probably have a better understanding of what a team does before making a trade for them.

Herro/Rozier
Robinson/Brown
Hunter/Jacquez/Highsmith
Bam/Jovic
Ware/Love

Miami has gone big with their lineup, and I can't imagine they're going to sacrifice the spacing that Robinson brings for Brown's very average 3 point shooting.

Thanks - had missed that the Heat moved Ware into starting lineup and were going double bigs.

No problem

It's an incentive trade. I really don't hate it for Miami, mainly because I really like Hunter, but I don't see Atlanta as the team that's going to make a play for Jimmy.

Post #8 » by **oldncreaky** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:20 pm

For TOR: meh

Swapping an expiring contract to save $300K just isn't worth anything, but I'd take it for an SRP (if Capella is healthy) or 2 SRP (if Capella is injured)

P.S. Gueye played a bit with TOR; he's just a guy, not incentive

Troubadour · Post #9 » by **Troubadour** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:24 pm

oldncreaky wrote:For TOR: meh

Swapping an expiring contract to save $300K just isn't worth anything, but I'd take it for an SRP (if Capella is healthy) or 2 SRP (if Capella is injured)

P.S. Gueye played a bit with TOR; he's just a guy, not incentive

Different Gueye!

Troubadour · Post #10 » by **Troubadour** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:34 pm

I like the concept of Jimmy Butler to the Hawks, but I don't think Clint Capela makes sense on the Raptors

What about?

Hawks Receive
Jimmy Butler

Lakers Receive
Clint Capela

Heat Receive
Rui Hachimura
Bruce Brown
2025 1st Round Pick (LAL via ATL via NOP)
2026 1st Round Pick (IND via TOR)

Raptors Receive
De'Andre Hunter
Gabe Vincent

Hawks get a star wing for this current roster and move off of two injury-prone players. Lakers get a vertical lob threat for Luka and a solid rim protector and rebounder. Heat get two 1sts and two useful role players for Jimmy Butler (and get under the luxury tax altogether in the process). Raptors give up one 1st Round Pick to upgrade from Bruce Brown to De'Andre Hunter.

Post #11 » by **oldncreaky** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:40 pm

Troubadour wrote:
oldncreaky wrote:For TOR: meh

Swapping an expiring contract to save $300K just isn't worth anything, but I'd take it for an SRP (if Capella is healthy) or 2 SRP (if Capella is injured)

P.S. Gueye played a bit with TOR; he's just a guy, not incentive

Different Gueye!

True

Different "M. Gueye from Senegal", but still "just a guy, not incentive"

Post #12 » by **BBallFreak** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:41 pm

Troubadour wrote:I like the concept of Jimmy Butler to the Hawks, but I don't think Clint Capela makes sense on the Raptors

What about?

Hawks Receive
Jimmy Butler

Lakers Receive
Clint Capela

Heat Receive
Rui Hachimura
Bruce Brown
2025 1st Round Pick (LAL via ATL via NOP)
2026 1st Round Pick (IND via TOR)

Raptors Receive
De'Andre Hunter
Gabe Vincent

Hawks get a star wing for this current roster and move off of two injury-prone players. Lakers get a vertical lob threat for Luka and a solid rim protector and rebounder. Heat get two 1sts and two useful role players for Jimmy Butler (and get under the luxury tax altogether in the process). Raptors give up one 1st Round Pick to upgrade from Bruce Brown to De'Andre Hunter.

Yeah, I'd do that

Post #13 » by **dms269** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:52 pm

I am not sure the risk is worth the reward for the Hawks.

MessiahUjiri · Post #14 » by **MessiahUjiri** » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:03 pm

oldncreaky wrote:For TOR: meh

Swapping an expiring contract to save $300K just isn't worth anything, but I'd take it for an SRP (if Capella is healthy) or 2 SRP (if Capella is injured)

P.S. Gueye played a bit with TOR; he's just a guy, not incentive

I think Toronto reroutes Capela to LAL for 2nd + Rui.