Monte’s Odds

[BoogieTime]

They shouldn’t be done imo. Demar should be dealt, they should get a 3/4 and a backup big

Why? Demar has been fine on/off the court

They will use other assets

[jbk1234]

This wasn't even the worse trade the Kings made with the Spurs in the last 8 months. The Barnes trade was borderline inexplicable, both in terms of team building and value.

Bro.. this is Demar reputation stuff… he was a 25/5/5? Very good player in Chicago who they thought fit the system

They already had Fox, Monk, and Sabonis. What they didn't have was a strong defender and swapping Barnes for DeRozan only exacerbated the problem. What they paid to do it was inexplicable.

[BoogieTime]

This wasn't even the worse trade the Kings made with the Spurs in the last 8 months. The Barnes trade was borderline inexplicable, both in terms of team building and value.

Bro.. this is Demar reputation stuff… he was a 25/5/5? Very good player in Chicago who they thought fit the system

They already had Fox, Monk, and Sabonis. What they didn't have was a strong defender and swapping Barnes for DeRozan only exacerbated the problem. What they paid to do it was inexplicable.

A swap, the horror.

Barnes maybe rejuvenated now, but looked like he was done/unplayable last year. DeRozan as we speak still produces damn near borderline all star play consistently

[jbk1234]

Bro.. this is Demar reputation stuff… he was a 25/5/5? Very good player in Chicago who they thought fit the system

They already had Fox, Monk, and Sabonis. What they didn't have was a strong defender and swapping Barnes for DeRozan only exacerbated the problem. What they paid to do it was inexplicable.

A swap, the horror.

Barnes maybe rejuvenated now, but looked like he was done/unplayable last year. DeRozan as we speak still produces damn near borderline all star play consistently

Is the swap protected?

[BoogieTime]

They already had Fox, Monk, and Sabonis. What they didn't have was a strong defender and swapping Barnes for DeRozan only exacerbated the problem. What they paid to do it was inexplicable.

A swap, the horror.

Barnes maybe rejuvenated now, but looked like he was done/unplayable last year. DeRozan as we speak still produces damn near borderline all star play consistently

Is the swap protected?

No, unfortunately not. But that happens all the time. Aspiring playoff teams, except the young ones give up assets to improve. We can go down the line of western conf teams that have questionable outdated moves

It’s all teams besides OKC/den/gsw/sa/por/Utah from a quick guessing glance

Are you hyperventilating over the 4 swaps for Beal or George’s contract in comparison?

Demar still has several seasons of good ball in him and is a good vet

This team has an owner that won’t allow a bottom out so it will be by chance if it’s handing over a top pick

[jbk1234]

A swap, the horror.

Barnes maybe rejuvenated now, but looked like he was done/unplayable last year. DeRozan as we speak still produces damn near borderline all star play consistently

Is the swap protected?

No, unfortunately not. But that happens all the time. Aspiring playoff teams, except the young ones give up assets to improve. We can go down the line of western conf teams that have questionable outdated moves

It’s all teams besides OKC/den/gsw/sa/por/Utah from a quick guessing glance

Are you hyperventilating over the 4 swaps for Beal or George’s contract in comparison?

Demar still has several seasons of good ball in him and is a good vet

This team has an owner that won’t allow a bottom out so it will be by chance if it’s handing over a top pick

Did the Kings get it back in the Fox trade?

[BoogieTime]

Is the swap protected?

No, unfortunately not. But that happens all the time. Aspiring playoff teams, except the young ones give up assets to improve. We can go down the line of western conf teams that have questionable outdated moves

It’s all teams besides OKC/den/gsw/sa/por/Utah from a quick guessing glance

Are you hyperventilating over the 4 swaps for Beal or George’s contract in comparison?

Demar still has several seasons of good ball in him and is a good vet

This team has an owner that won’t allow a bottom out so it will be by chance if it’s handing over a top pick

Did the Kings get it back in the Fox trade?

Again, the team will always be trying to compete under this ownership, so there may not have been the onus to get it as opposed to other assets

[jbk1234]

No, unfortunately not. But that happens all the time. Aspiring playoff teams, except the young ones give up assets to improve. We can go down the line of western conf teams that have questionable outdated moves

It’s all teams besides OKC/den/gsw/sa/por/Utah from a quick guessing glance

Are you hyperventilating over the 4 swaps for Beal or George’s contract in comparison?

Demar still has several seasons of good ball in him and is a good vet

This team has an owner that won’t allow a bottom out so it will be by chance if it’s handing over a top pick

Did the Kings get it back in the Fox trade?

Again, the team will always be trying to compete under this ownership, so there may not have been the onus to get it as opposed to other assets

So to recap, they traded an unprotected swap to dump a relatively manageable contract so they could add an offense-only player, despite their glaring need being on the defensive side of the ball, and seven months later when they traded their best player they couldn't even get it back?

[BoogieTime]

Did the Kings get it back in the Fox trade?

Again, the team will always be trying to compete under this ownership, so there may not have been the onus to get it as opposed to other assets

So to recap, they traded an unprotected swap to dump a relatively manageable contract so they could add an offense-only player, despite their glaring need being on the defensive side of the ball, and seven months later when they traded their best player they couldn't even get it back?

That’s some not watching the Kings

Barnes was terrible defensively last year and unplayable, he still looks bad defensively. He was widely considered negative. Demar put up 33/7/5 last night to lead the team to a win, a night Barnes won’t see or hasn’t seen in awhile. Team has been going through ups and downs (quitting on coach/players), but DeMar is still good despite the lulls. GMs make trades through a vision most RealGMers don’t. They have intricate analytics etc to see who fits with their current players

Domas is the teams best player by a mile. You might need to ask someone else about Fox, as I’ve been relatively low on him as a fan, because as far as I’m concerned Lavine is the better player, health permitting

[kalenclayton]

Depends a lot on what he does this offseason. I'd try to turn some of those firsts into Cam Johnson, and maybe another wing defender and/or playmaker. If he does, makes the playoffs and puts a decent fight in the first round, maybe that's enough. Anything short of that, he's likely gone. Realistically he should have been gone a long time ago.

I gotta ask, what does Cam Johnson do for the Kings?
From my point of view, I think he provides floor spacing at an expensive cost. That’s basically it. He doesn’t seem provide length, defense, or really anything else that the Kings desperately need. What am I missing? It seems like so many people are laser focused on Cam when I just don’t really see the fit other than on offense.

[wemby]

Depends a lot on what he does this offseason. I'd try to turn some of those firsts into Cam Johnson, and maybe another wing defender and/or playmaker. If he does, makes the playoffs and puts a decent fight in the first round, maybe that's enough. Anything short of that, he's likely gone. Realistically he should have been gone a long time ago.

I gotta ask, what does Cam Johnson do for the Kings?
From my point of view, I think he provides floor spacing at an expensive cost. That’s basically it. He doesn’t seem provide length, defense, or really anything else that the Kings desperately need. What am I missing? It seems like so many people are laser focused on Cam when I just don’t really see the fit other than on offense.

He provides ELITE shooting (beyond anything the Kings have, other tha recent acquisition Lavine) and adequate defense, at a good multi-year contract. The Kings are trying to improve NOW, i may not agree with the route they're taking but if that's the way they're going, there are not many players on the market who are available and would make a more immediate and impactful contribution.

[kalenclayton]

Depends a lot on what he does this offseason. I'd try to turn some of those firsts into Cam Johnson, and maybe another wing defender and/or playmaker. If he does, makes the playoffs and puts a decent fight in the first round, maybe that's enough. Anything short of that, he's likely gone. Realistically he should have been gone a long time ago.

I gotta ask, what does Cam Johnson do for the Kings?
From my point of view, I think he provides floor spacing at an expensive cost. That’s basically it. He doesn’t seem provide length, defense, or really anything else that the Kings desperately need. What am I missing? It seems like so many people are laser focused on Cam when I just don’t really see the fit other than on offense.

He provides ELITE shooting (beyond anything the Kings have, other tha recent acquisition Lavine) and adequate defense, at a good multi-year contract. The Kings are trying to improve NOW, i may not agree with the route they're taking but if that's the way they're going, there are not many players on the market who are available and would make a more immediate and impactful contribution.

Thanks for giving me the breakdown. I’m on the same page as you in thinking it’s not the right route for them, but they chose it. The issue I see here is that the Kings are fine offensively. They lack length, defense, and size. While Cam would help on offense, I still struggle to see it affecting the standings side of things. I could be totally wrong here though. I’d love to spend the assets on a different type of player who affects the game differently. I totally get why you see him as a target though.

[wemby]

I gotta ask, what does Cam Johnson do for the Kings?
From my point of view, I think he provides floor spacing at an expensive cost. That’s basically it. He doesn’t seem provide length, defense, or really anything else that the Kings desperately need. What am I missing? It seems like so many people are laser focused on Cam when I just don’t really see the fit other than on offense.

He provides ELITE shooting (beyond anything the Kings have, other tha recent acquisition Lavine) and adequate defense, at a good multi-year contract. The Kings are trying to improve NOW, i may not agree with the route they're taking but if that's the way they're going, there are not many players on the market who are available and would make a more immediate and impactful contribution.

Thanks for giving me the breakdown. I’m on the same page as you in thinking it’s not the right route for them, but they chose it. The issue I see here is that the Kings are fine offensively. They lack length, defense, and size. While Cam would help on offense, I still struggle to see it affecting the standings side of things. I could be totally wrong here though. I’d love to spend the assets on a different type of player who affects the game differently. I totally get why you see him as a target though.

I think the Kings are fine offensively at the expense of their defense, all of their best offensive players are liabilities on the other end, Cam Johnson would not. If they could get Cam Johnson and move DeRozan, that'd be a step in the right direction. Getting Devin Carter into the rotation would be great, giving Keon Ellis a larger role, getting a player like Cam Johnson and another wing defender, all those things would help.

Honestly, I think the Kings f*cked up the Fox trade, they should have asked for Sochan from the Spurs over some of the draft capital, he's an excellent multi-positional defender who can guard effectively the best player on the other team 1-4, from Brunson to SGA to Ant to Luka to just about everyone this side of Giannis. He's a bad shooter and limited offensively but he's 21 so there's plenty of time to work on that while he focuses on his defensive role, Spurs may have to trade him anyway because you can't have Fox, Castle and him on the floor at once.