Bulls - Raptors (RJ to Chicago)

[letsgobulls23]

Barrett is a young talented piece while Vucevic has already aged out. Vucevic's only value comes from being an expiring contract.

Oh I see I see. Let's compare:

Vuc 54 games(starts) 32 mpg 19/10/4 2 stocks on 54/38/81 and a +1.5 on a team with a -4.5 only has value as an expiring, but...

RJ 42 games(starts) 33 mpg 21/7/6 on 47/35/65 1 stocks and a -9.2 on a team with a -5.9 is valuable?

Yeah unless its 1984 and we only look at box score totals and not any kind of effectiveness, Vuc is having a better season.

Do you seriously believe Vucevic is having a breakout season at 34 years old?

RJ hasn't been playing the role he was brought in for because the Raptors are the most injured team in the league this year. They are also focused on "rebuilding" which is the corporate word for tanking.

https://craftednba.com/players/nikola-vucevic

He's one of the worst C defenders in the NBA.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/6478/nikola-vucevic

LOL he was on an unsustained heater in the last 20 games he back to his averages and shooting 26-30%.

Conclusively Vucevic's value comes from being an expiring 34 year old.

Love that the response to Vuc being a 34 year old liability on defense without consistent offense was just "cool cool but I'm right anyways" lol

[Thaddy]

Cool cool, Chicago should have zero interest in paying to help the Raps with their payroll issue. And certainly no interest in turning a good player into just an expiring player.

But luckily for Toronto all their players are amazing despite the record not being. But that is just them playing chess.

That doesn't make any sense.

The Raptors are turning a good player into an expiring. Not the other way around.

What are you talking about?

[Dez]

Cool cool, Chicago should have zero interest in paying to help the Raps with their payroll issue. And certainly no interest in turning a good player into just an expiring player.

But luckily for Toronto all their players are amazing despite the record not being. But that is just them playing chess.

That doesn't make any sense.

The Raptors are turning a good player into an expiring. Not the other way around.

What are you talking about?

No they aren't, they'd be turning RJ Barrett into an expiring contract.

This deal still makes zero sense for Chicago.

[wegotthabeet]

Not a fan of this deal for Toronto. Two thumbs way down and I don't even really think highly of RJ.

Why not just re-sign Barrett to a team friendly deal in a couple of years? He clearly wants to be in Toronto, to the point where he'll take a discount. What's the plan with the cap space? They're not even a 1st apron team next year. Horrible. Just move him to the bench. He could win 6th man, it's his ideal role.

[Thaddy]

Not a fan of this deal for Toronto. Two thumbs way down and I don't even really think highly of RJ.

Why not just re-sign Barrett to a team friendly deal in a couple of years? He clearly wants to be in Toronto, to the point where he'll take a discount. What's the plan with the cap space? They're not even a 1st apron team next year. Horrible. Just move him to the bench. He could win 6th man, it's his ideal role.

We need to make room for Agbaji, Gradey, Walter, and our lottery pick coming in this season. We can't afford everyone and we need off ball players that can shoot the ball. RJ is a good player but he needs the ball in his hands, the Raptors at this stage are better with that being Barnes, Ingram, IQ, or one of our younger players.

[Astaluego]

Not a fan of this deal for Toronto. Two thumbs way down and I don't even really think highly of RJ.

Why not just re-sign Barrett to a team friendly deal in a couple of years? He clearly wants to be in Toronto, to the point where he'll take a discount. What's the plan with the cap space? They're not even a 1st apron team next year. Horrible. Just move him to the bench. He could win 6th man, it's his ideal role.

We need to make room for Agbaji, Gradey, Walter, and our lottery pick coming in this season. We can't afford everyone and we need off ball players that can shoot the ball. RJ is a good player but he needs the ball in his hands, the Raptors at this stage are better with that being Barnes, Ingram, IQ, or one of our younger players.

send him to the Jazz for the expiring J.Collins?

[Thaddy]

Not a fan of this deal for Toronto. Two thumbs way down and I don't even really think highly of RJ.

Why not just re-sign Barrett to a team friendly deal in a couple of years? He clearly wants to be in Toronto, to the point where he'll take a discount. What's the plan with the cap space? They're not even a 1st apron team next year. Horrible. Just move him to the bench. He could win 6th man, it's his ideal role.

We need to make room for Agbaji, Gradey, Walter, and our lottery pick coming in this season. We can't afford everyone and we need off ball players that can shoot the ball. RJ is a good player but he needs the ball in his hands, the Raptors at this stage are better with that being Barnes, Ingram, IQ, or one of our younger players.

send him to the Jazz for the expiring J.Collins?

In this trade the Raptors get the bare minimum when it comes to draft picks, if the Jazz are willing to throw in a couple of seconds it's a good idea. Ainge seems stingy with his picks though. It's a main reason why the Raptors shifted to being buyers at the deadline.

[JRoy]

Don’t do it. CHI.

RJ is fools gold.

[oldncreaky]

Not a fan of this deal for Toronto. Two thumbs way down and I don't even really think highly of RJ.

Why not just re-sign Barrett to a team friendly deal in a couple of years? He clearly wants to be in Toronto, to the point where he'll take a discount. What's the plan with the cap space? They're not even a 1st apron team next year. Horrible. Just move him to the bench. He could win 6th man, it's his ideal role.

I do like the idea of RJ Barrett as a bench leader and agree it could be his ideal role

[wegotthabeet]

Not a fan of this deal for Toronto. Two thumbs way down and I don't even really think highly of RJ.

Why not just re-sign Barrett to a team friendly deal in a couple of years? He clearly wants to be in Toronto, to the point where he'll take a discount. What's the plan with the cap space? They're not even a 1st apron team next year. Horrible. Just move him to the bench. He could win 6th man, it's his ideal role.

I do like the idea of RJ Barrett as a bench leader and agree it could be his ideal role

Yes it just depends on his AAV. Assuming it’s roughly what he is currently making or roughly 15% of the cap then he could be very valuable in that role.

[wegotthabeet]

Not a fan of this deal for Toronto. Two thumbs way down and I don't even really think highly of RJ.

Why not just re-sign Barrett to a team friendly deal in a couple of years? He clearly wants to be in Toronto, to the point where he'll take a discount. What's the plan with the cap space? They're not even a 1st apron team next year. Horrible. Just move him to the bench. He could win 6th man, it's his ideal role.

We need to make room for Agbaji, Gradey, Walter, and our lottery pick coming in this season. We can't afford everyone and we need off ball players that can shoot the ball. RJ is a good player but he needs the ball in his hands, the Raptors at this stage are better with that being Barnes, Ingram, IQ, or one of our younger players.

Do you mean cap room or room in the rotation or both? I agree that at least one of Barrett, Agbaji, Dick or Walter will need to be dealt eventually. I don’t think it necessarily needs to be this summer though and based on the value of your trade proposal it seems like the other three could fetch more value via trade. If you trade RJ then another opportunity presents itself and you need to include one or two of the other three guys then all of a sudden you no longer have the depth needed post trade.

Your basically creating a (poor) solution for a problem that doesn’t yet exist. Agbaji is on a rookie deal for another year. The Raptors project to be way below the 1st apron. What’s the rush to make a no value trade like this? You’re also loosing the opportunity to include his contract in a bigger move, so there’s an opportunity cost element at play as well.

[Thaddy]

Not a fan of this deal for Toronto. Two thumbs way down and I don't even really think highly of RJ.

Why not just re-sign Barrett to a team friendly deal in a couple of years? He clearly wants to be in Toronto, to the point where he'll take a discount. What's the plan with the cap space? They're not even a 1st apron team next year. Horrible. Just move him to the bench. He could win 6th man, it's his ideal role.

We need to make room for Agbaji, Gradey, Walter, and our lottery pick coming in this season. We can't afford everyone and we need off ball players that can shoot the ball. RJ is a good player but he needs the ball in his hands, the Raptors at this stage are better with that being Barnes, Ingram, IQ, or one of our younger players.

Do you mean cap room or room in the rotation or both? I agree that at least one of Barrett, Agbaji, Dick or Walter will need to be dealt eventually. I don’t think it necessarily needs to be this summer though and based on the value of your trade proposal it seems like the other three could fetch more value via trade. If you trade RJ then another opportunity presents itself and you need to include one or two of the other three guys then all of a sudden you no longer have the depth needed post trade.

Your basically creating a (poor) solution for a problem that doesn’t yet exist. Agbaji is on a rookie deal for another year. The Raptors project to be way below the 1st apron. What’s the rush to make a no value trade like this? You’re also loosing the opportunity to include his contract in a bigger move, so there’s an opportunity cost element at play as well.

RJ is the worst fit out all of them. He's probably the best scorer but he doesn't do it at a high enough level to be ahead of Ingram or IQ. We have to keep developing Barnes there so putting him behind RJ doesn't make sense. That makes RJ a 4th option where his skills are redundant. If we put him on the bench it'll drive down his value and make him look expensive.