Who wants Gradey Dick?

[ReggiesKnicks]

I don't think WCJ has this kind of value given his down year and extension.

Make it the Denver 1st then.

I doubt Dick is worth a lottery pick in this draft.

I would also bet most teams look at Wendell Carter Jr and say "Variance" to his 3P shooting.

He might not be (I haven't spent enough time looking at this draft class TBH to say confidently one way or the other) but he's a solid young guy that Toronto likes, I don't think they're looking to move him for a collection of less valuable pieces unless it's a notable overpay.

So would they be looking to add him to...Barrett and Quickley appear neutral at best....and then #5 for a huge upgrade?

Poeltl + Dick + #5 + Additional Salary for someone like KAT if New York flames out?

Poeltl + Dick for S+T Myles Turner?

[gswhoops]

Make it the Denver 1st then.

I doubt Dick is worth a lottery pick in this draft.

I would also bet most teams look at Wendell Carter Jr and say "Variance" to his 3P shooting.

He might not be (I haven't spent enough time looking at this draft class TBH to say confidently one way or the other) but he's a solid young guy that Toronto likes, I don't think they're looking to move him for a collection of less valuable pieces unless it's a notable overpay.

So would they be looking to add him to...Barrett and Quickley appear neutral at best....and then #5 for a huge upgrade?

Poeltl + Dick + #5 + Additional Salary for someone like KAT if New York flames out?

Poeltl + Dick for S+T Myles Turner?

I don't know what their plan is TBH. Not to be rude to Raptors fans, but I don't think Toronto has a ton of good options given their current roster/salary construction. Short of landing a top-3 pick in the lottery I'm not sure I see a realistic path for them to be anything more than a 6-8 seed and first round exit in the foreseeable future.

[Texas Chuck]

Sharpe + 10 for Dick + 5?

The OP specifically is offering up Gradey Dick because of the following rationale.

The Raptors have a logjam at the 2G position

Yet your offer includes an undersized 2 guard.

Our problem is too many SGs. This doesnt help us

I mean I wouldn't give up pick 5 for Sharpe so its dead for me on value, but while Toronto might have bodies at SG they don't have what I would call a clear solution, so not sure why trying to upgrade the position(we can argue if Sharpe is enough of an upgrade, obviously I'm not sold on it) would be such an issue?

[ReggiesKnicks]

Sharpe + 10 for Dick + 5?

The OP specifically is offering up Gradey Dick because of the following rationale.

The Raptors have a logjam at the 2G position

Yet your offer includes an undersized 2 guard.

Our problem is too many SGs. This doesnt help us

I mean I wouldn't give up pick 5 for Sharpe so its dead for me on value, but while Toronto might have bodies at SG they don't have what I would call a clear solution, so not sure why trying to upgrade the position(we can argue if Sharpe is enough of an upgrade, obviously I'm not sold on it) would be such an issue?

I actually misread Sharpe for Simons on first pass. I don't mind Sharpe for them at all and I agree with upgrading.

[Godaddycurse]

The OP specifically is offering up Gradey Dick because of the following rationale.



Yet your offer includes an undersized 2 guard.

Our problem is too many SGs. This doesnt help us

I mean I wouldn't give up pick 5 for Sharpe so its dead for me on value, but while Toronto might have bodies at SG they don't have what I would call a clear solution, so not sure why trying to upgrade the position(we can argue if Sharpe is enough of an upgrade, obviously I'm not sold on it) would be such an issue?

I actually misread Sharpe for Simons on first pass. I don't mind Sharpe for them at all and I agree with upgrading.

If we are upgrading SG then Barrett needs to be outgoing

[ReggiesKnicks]

I mean I wouldn't give up pick 5 for Sharpe so its dead for me on value, but while Toronto might have bodies at SG they don't have what I would call a clear solution, so not sure why trying to upgrade the position(we can argue if Sharpe is enough of an upgrade, obviously I'm not sold on it) would be such an issue?

I actually misread Sharpe for Simons on first pass. I don't mind Sharpe for them at all and I agree with upgrading.

If we are upgrading SG then Barrett needs to be outgoing

Eh both Sharpe and Barrett can play SG/SF minutes. I don't see an issue with a 3-man rotation of Agbaji/Sharpe/Barrett taking on the bulk of SG plus some SF minutes.

[Texas Chuck]

If we are upgrading SG then Barrett needs to be outgoing

Ideally sure. But it shouldn't be a requirement, right? He can still play half the game or more as a bench wing. Maybe their are off-ramps for him and/or IQ that aren't cost prohibitive, but I wouldn't risk diluting my package for a core piece by insisting on including either of them. Both can be overpaid bench pieces who eat minutes.

[Godaddycurse]

I actually misread Sharpe for Simons on first pass. I don't mind Sharpe for them at all and I agree with upgrading.

If we are upgrading SG then Barrett needs to be outgoing

Eh both Sharpe and Barrett can play SG/SF minutes. I don't see an issue with a 3-man rotation of Agbaji/Sharpe/Barrett taking on the bulk of SG plus some SF minutes.

you forgot ingram

[Godaddycurse]

If we are upgrading SG then Barrett needs to be outgoing

Ideally sure. But it shouldn't be a requirement, right? He can still play half the game or more as a bench wing. Maybe their are off-ramps for him and/or IQ that aren't cost prohibitive, but I wouldn't risk diluting my package for a core piece by insisting on including either of them. Both can be overpaid bench pieces who eat minutes.

if we want to avoid the tax it probably is a requirement

[Texas Chuck]

If we are upgrading SG then Barrett needs to be outgoing

Eh both Sharpe and Barrett can play SG/SF minutes. I don't see an issue with a 3-man rotation of Agbaji/Sharpe/Barrett taking on the bulk of SG plus some SF minutes.

you forgot ingram

Do you think Toronto is willing to play small with Barnes/BI as the "bigs"? Seems like they would right? That would help some.

And of course if they were trading for a starting caliber guard, feels likely one of the guards would be moved, maybe even in that deal. Dick or Agbaji would have some value.

[mademan]

Dick is that level of prospect that teams will just live and die with. He hasnt shown too much but there have been flashes and he's been invested in. If there's not a clear overpay coming back (why would there be?) then he just plays out his rookie contract and a decision is made after

[Godaddycurse]

He might not be (I haven't spent enough time looking at this draft class TBH to say confidently one way or the other) but he's a solid young guy that Toronto likes, I don't think they're looking to move him for a collection of less valuable pieces unless it's a notable overpay.

So would they be looking to add him to...Barrett and Quickley appear neutral at best....and then #5 for a huge upgrade?

Poeltl + Dick + #5 + Additional Salary for someone like KAT if New York flames out?

Poeltl + Dick for S+T Myles Turner?

I don't know what their plan is TBH. Not to be rude to Raptors fans, but I don't think Toronto has a ton of good options given their current roster/salary construction. Short of landing a top-3 pick in the lottery I'm not sure I see a realistic path for them to be anything more than a 6-8 seed and first round exit in the foreseeable future.

Hoping for Ingram to return to Allstar form and find better health away from the cursed pelicans
Hoping for Barrett to re-learn to shoot FTs and continue to work on his D
Hoping for better health from IQ
Hoping for better efficiency from Barnes with less offensive load to shoulder

and most of all hoping for lottery luck

[meatwad4343]

Would give multiple firsts from Orlando just to play him with Anthony black for the black dick combo

[Bentley1225]

There maybe interest at the draft in him depending on how first 20-25 picks go. I don’t think he’s viewed as a viable starting 2 guard yet and don’t think he has a major ceiling. I think he’s viewed as a 6th or 7th man and would likely garner a high 2nd + future 2nd at best for Raps.

[Astaluego]

I'd keep him, they need to shoot and he can do that and he's on a rookie contract.. I think the Raptors need to adjust their roster..in my opinion they need a big to spread the floor... if the Knicks fail again due to lack of depth, what would you think of Poelt/Barrett/Agbaji or Dicks +FRP25 (range 4/7) for Towns.. Poelt+? for Turner... or see what Boston wants for KP... even something between Poelt and WCJ+(Black?)
As for OP...I assume the Magic would send the Denver+SRPs pick?

[Ell Curry]

I'd keep him, they need to shoot and he can do that and he's on a rookie contract.. I think the Raptors need to adjust their roster..in my opinion they need a big to spread the floor... if the Knicks fail again due to lack of depth, what would you think of Poelt/Barrett/Agbaji or Dicks +FRP25 (range 4/7) for Towns.. Poelt+? for Turner... or see what Boston wants for KP... even something between Poelt and WCJ+(Black?)
As for OP...I assume the Magic would send the Denver+SRPs pick?

I think the front office likes Gradey too much, but a late Magic first makes sense if the Raptors draft a guard with their own pick, as we have no money to use on a backup center and stay under the tax and could draft a center with that Denver 1st rounder.

Poeltl-#25-Chomche
Barnes-Mogbo
Ingram-Barrett-Battle
Agbaji-Walter
Quickley-#5-Shead

or

Poeltl-#5-Chomche
Barnes-Mogbo
Ingram-Barrett-Battle
Agbaji-Walter
Quickley-#25-Shead

And obviously the Magic need some shooting and have the defensive guys to help Gradey, who is just not good on that end of the floor.

[Astaluego]

I'd keep him, they need to shoot and he can do that and he's on a rookie contract.. I think the Raptors need to adjust their roster..in my opinion they need a big to spread the floor... if the Knicks fail again due to lack of depth, what would you think of Poelt/Barrett/Agbaji or Dicks +FRP25 (range 4/7) for Towns.. Poelt+? for Turner... or see what Boston wants for KP... even something between Poelt and WCJ+(Black?)
As for OP...I assume the Magic would send the Denver+SRPs pick?

I think the front office likes Gradey too much, but a late Magic first makes sense if the Raptors draft a guard with their own pick, as we have no money to use on a backup center and stay under the tax and could draft a center with that Denver 1st rounder.

Poeltl-#25-Chomche
Barnes-Mogbo
Ingram-Barrett-Battle
Agbaji-Walter
Quickley-#5-Shead

or

Poeltl-#5-Chomche
Barnes-Mogbo
Ingram-Barrett-Battle
Agbaji-Walter
Quickley-#25-Shead

And obviously the Magic need some shooting and have the defensive guys to help Gradey, who is just not good on that end of the floor.

a priori there doesn't seem to be any center in the draft worthy of using such a high selection, however there are several interesting guards in that range (Jaku/Traore/Denim etc) ...and now Barrett coming off the bench is too expensive, right?? Why not trade Barrett for depth??.. How would Barrett look to the Bulls for P.Williams+J.Smith?

Poelt/Smith /Chomche
Barnes/P.Williams/Mogbo
Ingram/Dicks/Battle
Agbaji/Walter /SRP
IQ/#5/Shead

[Apz]

I'd keep him, they need to shoot and he can do that and he's on a rookie contract.. I think the Raptors need to adjust their roster..in my opinion they need a big to spread the floor... if the Knicks fail again due to lack of depth, what would you think of Poelt/Barrett/Agbaji or Dicks +FRP25 (range 4/7) for Towns.. Poelt+? for Turner... or see what Boston wants for KP... even something between Poelt and WCJ+(Black?)
As for OP...I assume the Magic would send the Denver+SRPs pick?

I think the front office likes Gradey too much, but a late Magic first makes sense if the Raptors draft a guard with their own pick, as we have no money to use on a backup center and stay under the tax and could draft a center with that Denver 1st rounder.

Poeltl-#25-Chomche
Barnes-Mogbo
Ingram-Barrett-Battle
Agbaji-Walter
Quickley-#5-Shead

or

Poeltl-#5-Chomche
Barnes-Mogbo
Ingram-Barrett-Battle
Agbaji-Walter
Quickley-#25-Shead

And obviously the Magic need some shooting and have the defensive guys to help Gradey, who is just not good on that end of the floor.

a priori there doesn't seem to be any center in the draft worthy of using such a high selection, however there are several interesting guards in that range (Jaku/Traore/Denim etc) ...and now Barrett coming off the bench is too expensive, right?? Why not trade Barrett for depth??.. How would Barrett look to the Bulls for P.Williams+J.Smith?

Poelt/Smith /Chomche
Barnes/P.Williams/Mogbo
Ingram/Dicks/Battle
Agbaji/Walter /SRP
IQ/#5/Shead

Why would bulls do that? Raptors really in a positions to use picks for it?

[Godaddycurse]

I think the front office likes Gradey too much, but a late Magic first makes sense if the Raptors draft a guard with their own pick, as we have no money to use on a backup center and stay under the tax and could draft a center with that Denver 1st rounder.

Poeltl-#25-Chomche
Barnes-Mogbo
Ingram-Barrett-Battle
Agbaji-Walter
Quickley-#5-Shead

or

Poeltl-#5-Chomche
Barnes-Mogbo
Ingram-Barrett-Battle
Agbaji-Walter
Quickley-#25-Shead

And obviously the Magic need some shooting and have the defensive guys to help Gradey, who is just not good on that end of the floor.

a priori there doesn't seem to be any center in the draft worthy of using such a high selection, however there are several interesting guards in that range (Jaku/Traore/Denim etc) ...and now Barrett coming off the bench is too expensive, right?? Why not trade Barrett for depth??.. How would Barrett look to the Bulls for P.Williams+J.Smith?

Poelt/Smith /Chomche
Barnes/P.Williams/Mogbo
Ingram/Dicks/Battle
Agbaji/Walter /SRP
IQ/#5/Shead

Why would bulls do that? Raptors really in a positions to use picks for it?

bulls do it to get out of williams' last 2 years. i dont think raptors should do that anymore though.