LaMelo Ball offers?

[wadenation305]

People that would fight each other over a LaMello are they type of people who only see a name and say "I recognize that name! He's supposed to be a star! He must be worth 5 picks and swaps!". There are some in some FOs and that why we have some forever bad teams. At the contract that he is going to want, you will be hamstrung with what is an empty calorie player. If you're looking for someone to go get a ring with, he is not your guy. If teams get into a bidding war. I would want no part of it. This CBA is too restrictive to be chancing Max/Super Max money on him.

First of all it's LaMelo and second he is locked up long term on the baby max and not needing an extension any time soon.

At least get your facts right before you post.

And still not the guy that we would blow our load for.

[eitanr]

I'll throw an outside the box idea...Indiana. And no, not for Haliburton. I think Indiana has a ton of depth and can sacrafice a few players (Nesmith, Mathurin, Toppin, McConnel etc) in a larger 3 for 1 for Ball. The idea would be to move Haliburton to the 2 and ensure you at least have one of those guards on the floor at all times. I know many will immediately yell 'that didn't work with Fox in Sacramento'. That's correct, but having Sabonis there needing the ball also hurt. Indiana has no ball dominant talents, and having a backcourt that can create for others and ensure there's always an elite creator on the floor could be enticing.

[Rich4114]

Why would a team in the middle of a rebuild without much talent and an awful supporting cast take their one all star caliber player and trade him for pennies on the dollar? I know the narrative is "he's not a winning player" because people who do not follow this team (basically everyone except Hornets fans) see the record, know LaMelo is their best player and say "well it MUST be because he's not a good basketball player or his play style doesn't lead to wins". But like, does anyone here really watch the games? What would you say if I told you he makes 3-5 plays per game that would normally lead to a guaranteed bucket for 29 other teams but turn into points the other way on this one because he's passing to bricks like Damien Baugh (g league 10 day), Elf Payton (yes that one), Josh Green, Salaun, Nurkic, etc.?

The BEST talent Charlotte has ever put around LaMelo Ball has been Terry Rozier and twilight Gordon Hayward. That team won 43 games with Hayward mostly being unavailable and their starting center being Mason Plumlee. Now with less available talent around him, he has increased his usage and teams get easy wins by putting 3 guys on the perimeter on him to shut him down.

Only people who think Charlotte should trade LaMelo are fans like OP who think you need to pick one star to build around, boomer type fans who don't like LaMelo's flair or expressions of joy during games and people who don't follow the Hornets at all but "will take him" for low ball offers. None of this helps the Hornets actually become a competitive team anytime soon.

[Slim Charless]

Why would a team in the middle of a rebuild without much talent and an awful supporting cast take their one all star caliber player and trade him for pennies on the dollar? I know the narrative is "he's not a winning player" because people who do not follow this team (basically everyone except Hornets fans) see the record, know LaMelo is their best player and say "well it MUST be because he's not a good basketball player or his play style doesn't lead to wins". But like, does anyone here really watch the games? What would you say if I told you he makes 3-5 plays per game that would normally lead to a guaranteed bucket for 29 other teams but turn into points the other way on this one because he's passing to bricks like Damien Baugh (g league 10 day), Elf Payton (yes that one), Josh Green, Salaun, Nurkic, etc.?

The BEST talent Charlotte has ever put around LaMelo Ball has been Terry Rozier and twilight Gordon Hayward. That team won 43 games with Hayward mostly being unavailable and their starting center being Mason Plumlee. Now with less available talent around him, he has increased his usage and teams get easy wins by putting 3 guys on the perimeter on him to shut him down.

Only people who think Charlotte should trade LaMelo are fans like OP who think you need to pick one star to build around, boomer type fans who don't like LaMelo's flair or expressions of joy during games and people who don't follow the Hornets at all but "will take him" for low ball offers. None of this helps the Hornets actually become a competitive team anytime soon.

Yes, I think you're right... Like NOP
Murray+Hawkins+FRP25 (range 4/6) to HORNETS..
Is another FRP needed??

I think value wise this is probably a fair offer, not sure Charlotte would want Dejounte if they are blowing it up trading Melo.

Would do Booker for Melo, M Williams and both the 2026+2027 FRPs. The Dallas one in particular.

[Xman]

Ran a sim on hoopshype. Had Cha get 2 and Rox at 3.

Does Rockets or another team give 3 for Melo?
Rox would be Vleet, 3 for melo and MWilliams.

Cha rides the Harper Bailey pair with Miller making a scary trio.

[JMAC3]

Ran a sim on hoopshype. Had Cha get 2 and Rox at 3.

Does Rockets or another team give 3 for Melo?
Rox would be Vleet, 3 for melo and MWilliams.

Cha rides the Harper Bailey pair with Miller making a scary trio.

Rockets jumping from 12 to to 1,2,3 or 4 is 7% total. Probably not realistic enough to even try to think that one out right now.

[tmorgan]

Ran a sim on hoopshype. Had Cha get 2 and Rox at 3.

Does Rockets or another team give 3 for Melo?
Rox would be Vleet, 3 for melo and MWilliams.

Cha rides the Harper Bailey pair with Miller making a scary trio.

That would be kinda funny, given that Harper and Bailey don’t play together worth a crap at Rutgers, and would be forced to try again in the pros.

[BoogieTime]

I could see the Kings turning what they received from the Fox trade to Charlotte for Ball. I have his value at bad contracts + two fairly high upside picks.

what's the bad contract? Lavine was targeted and playing good ball in Chi and was player of the week

I think Ball's trajectory is what it is at this stage, not sure he is someone I would target. 4 years in... even negative sloping on efficiency>

[Rich4114]

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[yosemiteben]

Most of the discourse around LaMelo trades are low-ball offers.

He is 23 yrs old, under contract for 4 more years after this at what will be a good contract for a guy who will likely be the 50th highest paid player in the league on average during that time frame.

He ranks 42nd in VORP this year, 41st in EPM.

Best trades to look at his value.

DeAaron Fox (25 yrs) - 2 firsts, 5 2nds, Lavine = estimated value roughly 3-4 firsts.
Dejounte Murray #1 (26 yrs) - 2 unprotected firsts, + 1 lottery protected first. = estimated value roughly 3+ firsts.
Dejounte Murray #2 (28yrs) - 2 lower upside firsts + Dyson Daniels= estimated value roughly 3 firsts.
Dame (34 yrs)- Holiday, 1 firsts, 2 swaps= estimated value roughly 3+ firsts.
Mitchell (26 yrs)- 3 firsts, 2 swaps, Agbaji, Sexton and Lauri estimated value roughly 5+ firsts

Next take a look at a decent list of teams that will likely be interested to some degree if he were to be available.
Heat, Magic, Chicago, Nets, Rockets, Clippers, Jazz, Warriors.

Yes, he has some injury concerns, but most have been minor and you could easily make the argument he plays 30-40 more games over the last 2.5 years if Charlotte was competitive rather than playing it on the safe side when he is only 70% due to the games not being worth the risk.

I would say given previous trades, his age, his contract, his injuries and the fact that Charlotte has no rush to trade him his value should be in the 3 first + value range on the low end, anything below that isn't considered.

Look at box +/-, win shares and other measures of winning impact. Lamelo is more sizzle than steak, he doesn't currently contribute to wins as much as any of the players you listed, other than DeJounte (ATL fleeced NOP in that deal, btw, I would not expect the market to bear half as much if NOP tried to move him now).

Per Cleaning the Glass, Melo's on/off has him at +11.3 offensively (97th percentile) and +9.7 overall (91st percentile) per 100 possessions.

Is that not a measure of on court impact?

[tmorgan]

On/off is greatly influenced by the quality of the player that backs LaMelo up.

LaMelo on court per 100 possessions: -4.7
LaMelo on/off per 100 possessions: +6.0

All that tells you is that Charlotte is pretty bad when LaMelo plays, and horrible when he doesn’t. In other words, his backups are horrible and the team is bad in general. Maybe LaMelo is great and everyone else stinks, but you certainly can’t get that from these stats.

[meatwad4343]

Orlando for something around suggs plus picks or something

[Streakers33]

Gobert, dillingham, Detroit 2025 pick.
Build some culture. Get a promising pg and another decent pick.
I’m adding this after seeing some wolves offers above and it made me think a little. Might need a little more. There is a pick around here somewhere..


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[wadenation305]

Why would a team in the middle of a rebuild without much talent and an awful supporting cast take their one all star caliber player and trade him for pennies on the dollar? I know the narrative is "he's not a winning player" because people who do not follow this team (basically everyone except Hornets fans) see the record, know LaMelo is their best player and say "well it MUST be because he's not a good basketball player or his play style doesn't lead to wins". But like, does anyone here really watch the games? What would you say if I told you he makes 3-5 plays per game that would normally lead to a guaranteed bucket for 29 other teams but turn into points the other way on this one because he's passing to bricks like Damien Baugh (g league 10 day), Elf Payton (yes that one), Josh Green, Salaun, Nurkic, etc.?

The BEST talent Charlotte has ever put around LaMelo Ball has been Terry Rozier and twilight Gordon Hayward. That team won 43 games with Hayward mostly being unavailable and their starting center being Mason Plumlee. Now with less available talent around him, he has increased his usage and teams get easy wins by putting 3 guys on the perimeter on him to shut him down.

Only people who think Charlotte should trade LaMelo are fans like OP who think you need to pick one star to build around, boomer type fans who don't like LaMelo's flair or expressions of joy during games and people who don't follow the Hornets at all but "will take him" for low ball offers. None of this helps the Hornets actually become a competitive team anytime soon.

If CHA wants to keep him, they can keep him. I don't think there are many people fighting themselves to get their hands on Ball. Teams need to be smarter and not selling the farm for an tier 2-3 when you need a tier 1 player. The league had gotten used to treating tier 2-3 players as tier 1 players out of desperation.