selling everything(Challenge)..Utah Jazz

[BrianInPhilly]

How will they utilize having Lauri to help them accomplish their long-term goals?

Long-term goal of winning a chip? Pretty sure they are making the necessary steps now, like tanking for a generational talent.

Okay, but literally how is Lauri being part of the roster helpful to this long-term goal?

This team is not competing within the next four years.

4 years? Any team in the entire league has the capability to turn it around in 2.

He’s 27. Given his size and shooting he’ll be a valuable player, at least starter through at least age 33.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Long-term goal of winning a chip? Pretty sure they are making the necessary steps now, like tanking for a generational talent.

Okay, but literally how is Lauri being part of the roster helpful to this long-term goal?

This team is not competing within the next four years.

4 years? Any team in the entire league has the capability to turn it around in 2.

He’s 27. Given his size and shooting he’ll be a valuable player, at least starter through at least age 33.

He's not going to be mobile enough to defend and be playable on a good team by 32.

[Xman]

My opinion:
Collins, Clarkson and Sexton should all go at next trade deadline for whatever they can get if not offered something solid sooner.
Kessler best value will come at the draft. Maybe attach him to the Minnesota pick to move up.
Markky also best return at draft. Whoever ends up top two isn’t dealing (Flagg, Harper). But, maybe someone would deal Ace, maybe Markky, KGeorge and Kessler for 3 , filler and future picks. Cha could send 3, nurk, JGreen, and GWilliams plus some future assets. Or, Philly would ship PG in three team deal. SA would probably be another one bidding.

[ChinoDerien]

some ideas

Collins to Indiana for Toppin and 2 2nd round picks ( Indiana saves money) or some other team to get X player and some pics
Sexton to Orlando for C.Anthony and 2 2nd round picks or some other team to get Y player and some picks
Trade players X and Y for more picks
SIgn a veteran guard to tank the team for another year (Exum or Micic)
Try to sign Lindy Waters or some other role player that might have an upside year
Sign Boucher just cause I like him.
Buy out Jordan Clarkson if you can't get anything for him.

Exum,Micic,Collier
George,Waters,Luzang
Hendricks,Brice,Cody
Lauri,KMartin
Kessler,Kyle,Boucher

+ rookies

[wemby]

I like Lauri, but Ainge overplayed his hand and teams are already know his MO too well. I'm not sure I'd like to commit 4/5 more years to a supporting cast of Lauri/Fox in this apron era, so I might take my chances if the price is low but no way in hell do I pay the haul the Jazz is expecting.

4 years? Any team in the entire league has the capability to turn it around in 2.

Well, sure, if they land Cooper Flagg this year and AJ Dybantsa the next, they can turn it around in that timeframe. Other than that, it'd be sort of a miracle given that none of their youngsters look all that promising and the only long term pieces are Lauri and Kessler, and Utah isn't precisely a FA destination.

[The Beam King]

Lavine, Carter and 2 firsts and 2 seconds for Markanen.

[babyjax13]

Lavine, Carter and 2 firsts and 2 seconds for Markanen.

Value seems fine but would prefer to flip Carter and LaVine elsewhere for picks or players at different positions. We are too guard heavy as it is.

[Astaluego]

I like the fit of J.Collins on the SPURS (even more than Lauri).
Collins would give them interior presence, without hurting the spacing, a lob threat for Fox, they would be a super elite team in rebounding, they can use him as a backup 5.. I'm not sure what the trade would be like but ideally Keldon+Filler and Draft capital? 3 seconds? 1 first very protected?

Fox/Castle/Vassell/Collins/VW
Hawks Pick/Champagnie/Barnes/Sochan/Spurs Pick

[Xman]

[quote="Astaluego"]I like the fit of J.Collins on the SPURS (even more than Lauri).
Collins would give them interior presence, without hurting the spacing, a lob threat for Fox, they would be a super elite team in rebounding, they can use him as a backup 5.. I'm not sure what the trade would be like but ideally Keldon+Filler and Draft capital? 3 seconds? 1 first very protected?

Fox/Castle/Vassell/Collins/VW
Hawks Pick/Champagnie/Barnes/Sochan/Spurs Pick[/quote]


I think SA is primed to make a big jump next year. I would spend a little pick equity to add talent now. So, Collins . . . and Kessler.

Collins, Kessler and KJMartin (or other) for Keldon and Barnes, picks.
picks = probably the ATL pick (15ish) and some future 2nds (2031 Sac, 2030 CLE, 2029 NO&LAC)

G - Fox&Castle with CPaul and Vassell
SF - (draft or sign - if lucky Ace Bailey), Champagnie, KJMartin
PF - Collins, Sochan
C - Wemby, Kessler
- Solid team with depth. Leaves the only weak spot as SF - makes it tempting to make a move up for Ace.

[SkyHook]

I like the fit of J.Collins on the SPURS (even more than Lauri).
Collins would give them interior presence, without hurting the spacing, a lob threat for Fox, they would be a super elite team in rebounding, they can use him as a backup 5.. I'm not sure what the trade would be like but ideally Keldon+Filler and Draft capital? 3 seconds? 1 first very protected?

Fox/Castle/Vassell/Collins/VW
Hawks Pick/Champagnie/Barnes/Sochan/Spurs Pick

I think SA is primed to make a big jump next year. I would spend a little pick equity to add talent now. So, Collins . . . and Kessler.

Collins, Kessler and KJMartin (or other) for Keldon and Barnes, picks.
picks = probably the ATL pick (15ish) and some future 2nds (2031 Sac, 2030 CLE, 2029 NO&LAC)

G - Fox&Castle with CPaul and Vassell
SF - (draft or sign - if lucky Ace Bailey), Champagnie, KJMartin
PF - Collins, Sochan
C - Wemby, Kessler
- Solid team with depth. Leaves the only weak spot as SF - makes it tempting to make a move up for Ace.

I don't see the Jazz finding that offer appealing. Would much rather keep Kessler than to do this.

[louc1970]

I like the fit of J.Collins on the SPURS (even more than Lauri).
Collins would give them interior presence, without hurting the spacing, a lob threat for Fox, they would be a super elite team in rebounding, they can use him as a backup 5.. I'm not sure what the trade would be like but ideally Keldon+Filler and Draft capital? 3 seconds? 1 first very protected?

Fox/Castle/Vassell/Collins/VW
Hawks Pick/Champagnie/Barnes/Sochan/Spurs Pick

I think SA is primed to make a big jump next year. I would spend a little pick equity to add talent now. So, Collins . . . and Kessler.

Collins, Kessler and KJMartin (or other) for Keldon and Barnes, picks.
picks = probably the ATL pick (15ish) and some future 2nds (2031 Sac, 2030 CLE, 2029 NO&LAC)

G - Fox&Castle with CPaul and Vassell
SF - (draft or sign - if lucky Ace Bailey), Champagnie, KJMartin
PF - Collins, Sochan
C - Wemby, Kessler
- Solid team with depth. Leaves the only weak spot as SF - makes it tempting to make a move up for Ace.

Agreed it would be tempting. However at the current 10 spot 2 players could be just a viable - Malauch as a defensive backup center or McNeely as a shooting SF (there is enough defense around him to make the pick).

[Xman]

[quote="louc1970"][quote="Xman"][quote="Astaluego"]I like the fit of J.Collins on the SPURS (even more than Lauri).
Collins would give them interior presence, without hurting the spacing, a lob threat for Fox, they would be a super elite team in rebounding, they can use him as a backup 5.. I'm not sure what the trade would be like but ideally Keldon+Filler and Draft capital? 3 seconds? 1 first very protected?

Fox/Castle/Vassell/Collins/VW
Hawks Pick/Champagnie/Barnes/Sochan/Spurs Pick[/quote]


I think SA is primed to make a big jump next year. I would spend a little pick equity to add talent now. So, Collins . . . and Kessler.

Collins, Kessler and KJMartin (or other) for Keldon and Barnes, picks.
picks = probably the ATL pick (15ish) and some future 2nds (2031 Sac, 2030 CLE, 2029 NO&LAC)

G - Fox&Castle with CPaul and Vassell
SF - (draft or sign - if lucky Ace Bailey), Champagnie, KJMartin
PF - Collins, Sochan
C - Wemby, Kessler
- Solid team with depth. Leaves the only weak spot as SF - makes it tempting to make a move up for Ace.[/quote]
Agreed it would be tempting. However at the current 10 spot 2 players could be just a viable - Malauch as a defensive backup center or McNeely as a shooting SF (there is enough defense around him to make the pick).[/quote]

As a Rockets fan, I hope SA just uses the picks. I do not see anyone after the third pick that projects possible greatness. But, that top 3 is strong. Everyone knows Flagg is amazing and whoever gets pick 1 is keeping him. Harper projects as really good - and seems locked in at pick 2 on mocks. Ace Bailey could be scary good - and seems like a perfect fit for SA at SF. So, I would be offering up pick #10, #15, 2027 ATL first, five seconds to get to Ace at #3. Fox/Castle/Ace/(Sochan or Collins)/Wemby.

[Astaluego]

I think the Jazz need to be bad at least one more year to avoid giving up their top 8 pick to the Thunder, especially in a draft as strong at the top as 2026...next year in the West there are no projected terrible teams and in the East it will probably be the Bulls/Wizards/Nets competing for a high pick... That said, to get a top pick, they will have to trade Markkanen who will be 28 next year, Sexton and probably Kessler (for the right price)...since their own picks are their better assets and otherwise they will inevitably be too good
especially with a top 4 selection this year

[AingesBurner]

I think the Jazz need to be bad at least one more year to avoid giving up their top 8 pick to the Thunder, especially in a draft as strong at the top as 2026...next year in the West there are no projected terrible teams and in the East it will probably be the Bulls/Wizards/Nets competing for a high pick... That said, to get a top pick, they will have to trade Markkanen who will be 28 next year, Sexton and probably Kessler (for the right price)...since their own picks are their better assets and otherwise they will inevitably be too good
especially with a top 4 selection this year

We don’t have to do any of that We have plenty of picks to make a trade for a player to compliment the team and compete.

[Astaluego]

I think the Jazz need to be bad at least one more year to avoid giving up their top 8 pick to the Thunder, especially in a draft as strong at the top as 2026...next year in the West there are no projected terrible teams and in the East it will probably be the Bulls/Wizards/Nets competing for a high pick... That said, to get a top pick, they will have to trade Markkanen who will be 28 next year, Sexton and probably Kessler (for the right price)...since their own picks are their better assets and otherwise they will inevitably be too good
especially with a top 4 selection this year

We don’t have to do any of that We have plenty of picks to make a trade for a player to compliment the team and compete.

Don't you think the Jazz should try to keep their selection next year... and start competing next summer?

[AingesBurner]

I think the Jazz need to be bad at least one more year to avoid giving up their top 8 pick to the Thunder, especially in a draft as strong at the top as 2026...next year in the West there are no projected terrible teams and in the East it will probably be the Bulls/Wizards/Nets competing for a high pick... That said, to get a top pick, they will have to trade Markkanen who will be 28 next year, Sexton and probably Kessler (for the right price)...since their own picks are their better assets and otherwise they will inevitably be too good
especially with a top 4 selection this year

We don’t have to do any of that We have plenty of picks to make a trade for a player to compliment the team and compete.

Don't you think the Jazz should try to keep their selection next year... and start competing next summer?

They could do either. We don’t need to trade Markky Mark to be bad next year. We can trade every other vet we have and accomplish being bad.