T&T board top 10 worst contracts - Vote for #10

[gswhoops]

Butler is still a very good player. Yeah, he might fade over the next two years on that fat extension, and yeah, his emo dick routine is tiresome, but he clearly plays winning basketball as of today.

I don’t think he’s in my worst 20, or maybe even 30, contracts. It’s just two more years.

I can certainly respect your opinion but I feel those 2 years/ 111m at age 36 and 37 for a dude who hasn’t played more than 65 games in 8 years is going to be a problem.
For those 2 years he makes 3 times + what Patrick Williams makes. Williams last 2 years are basically mid level.

But it’s also ‘what do they contribute?” Butler has helped turn the Warriors around this year, and he at least might continue to do so over the next two seasons. And if Steph suddenly retires or something, they’ll get value back trading him, almost guaranteed.

Pat Williams is still a kid, staring off into the sky, guarding his man and doing almost nothing else worthwhile. He is the poster child for “stay in your lane”, except his lane doesn’t really go anywhere. 18 mil per for 4 more years doing stuff you could get from a defensive specialist on a 2-way is just sad.

I mean, the proof is in the pudding. GSW are 10-1 when Butler plays and under .500 when he doesn't. He's had a positive plus-minus in 8 of those 10 wins. His contract might (not guaranteed) look ugly towards the end but he's still a high-impact player.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Butler

Butler was just traded for a 1st, Wiggins and small 2026 salary.

How does he belong here?

He then was extended after that trade. 2 more seasons for a total of 111m after this season.
Aging, injury history, history of being a problem when things aren’t going right.

Part of the trade was the extension though. That's why only a few teams could trade for him. That should definitely be factored into the value.

That was stated publicly through multiple sources that a Butler trade was difficult because he would only play if he got the extension, meaning that was his value with the extension.

[brackdan70]

Butler was just traded for a 1st, Wiggins and small 2026 salary.

How does he belong here?

He then was extended after that trade. 2 more seasons for a total of 111m after this season.
Aging, injury history, history of being a problem when things aren’t going right.

Part of the trade was the extension though. That's why only a few teams could trade for him. That should definitely be factored into the value.

That was stated publicly through multiple sources that a Butler trade was difficult because he would only play if he got the extension, meaning that was his value with the extension.

Eh. Maybe. I think it’s a pretty unique perceived fit at GS. I think that contract will be impossible to move going forward. He will make 111 million in his age 36 and 37 seasons. He hasn’t played over 65 games since 2016-17. I would bet against him playing over 3000 minutes in these next 2 seasons combined. I think availability matters, and He hasn’t been lately.

[ReggiesKnicks]

He then was extended after that trade. 2 more seasons for a total of 111m after this season.
Aging, injury history, history of being a problem when things aren’t going right.

Part of the trade was the extension though. That's why only a few teams could trade for him. That should definitely be factored into the value.

That was stated publicly through multiple sources that a Butler trade was difficult because he would only play if he got the extension, meaning that was his value with the extension.

Eh. Maybe. I think it’s a pretty unique perceived fit at GS. I think that contract will be impossible to move going forward. He will make 111 million in his age 36 and 37 seasons. He hasn’t played over 65 games since 2016-17. I would bet against him playing over 3000 minutes in these next 2 seasons combined. I think availability matters, and He hasn’t been lately.

All this is true but we saw what his value is. Someone like Patrick Williams wouldn't receive a fraction of this.

[brackdan70]

Part of the trade was the extension though. That's why only a few teams could trade for him. That should definitely be factored into the value.

That was stated publicly through multiple sources that a Butler trade was difficult because he would only play if he got the extension, meaning that was his value with the extension.

Eh. Maybe. I think it’s a pretty unique perceived fit at GS. I think that contract will be impossible to move going forward. He will make 111 million in his age 36 and 37 seasons. He hasn’t played over 65 games since 2016-17. I would bet against him playing over 3000 minutes in these next 2 seasons combined. I think availability matters, and He hasn’t been lately.

All this is true but we saw what his value is. Someone like Patrick Williams wouldn't receive a fraction of this.

I am not saying Williams is a good contract by any means.
I guess I am thinking forward and others are thinking present. I think his value was very specific to GSW right now. I don’t think he can be easily moved to another team going forward. Just my opinion. I can’t think of another team that would trade for him and give positive value next offseason.

[Stanq]

Vote: Ayton

[gswhoops]

Eh. Maybe. I think it’s a pretty unique perceived fit at GS. I think that contract will be impossible to move going forward. He will make 111 million in his age 36 and 37 seasons. He hasn’t played over 65 games since 2016-17. I would bet against him playing over 3000 minutes in these next 2 seasons combined. I think availability matters, and He hasn’t been lately.

All this is true but we saw what his value is. Someone like Patrick Williams wouldn't receive a fraction of this.

I am not saying Williams is a good contract by any means.
I guess I am thinking forward and others are thinking present. I think his value was very specific to GSW right now. I don’t think he can be easily moved to another team going forward. Just my opinion. I can’t think of another team that would trade for him and give positive value next offseason.

By the same token though, who is giving positive value for Patrick Williams next offseason?

[vxmike]

I’ll switch from Barrett to PWill just because Statue Pat deserves to be on the list. Guy just doesn’t do much, and while the money isn’t huge, it’s sooooo many years.

V Patrick Williams.

I’m on board too. I have been voting Ingram but gonna go with Pat now. Ingram at least had the chance to be good if healthy. PWill is pretty much guaranteed to be a zero.

V: Pat Williams

[tmorgan]

I am 100% certain that, if the contracts were available, almost any contending team with a need at wing would trade expirings for Butler at the next TDL, assuming he’s healthy.

I am also 100% certain, barring a major breakout from PWill in season 6, that that isn’t true for him.

[luciano-davidwesley]

V Ingram

HM Pat Williams, Butler when he's geriatric

[brackdan70]

All this is true but we saw what his value is. Someone like Patrick Williams wouldn't receive a fraction of this.

I am not saying Williams is a good contract by any means.
I guess I am thinking forward and others are thinking present. I think his value was very specific to GSW right now. I don’t think he can be easily moved to another team going forward. Just my opinion. I can’t think of another team that would trade for him and give positive value next offseason.

By the same token though, who is giving positive value for Patrick Williams next offseason?

Yeah no one, but you can move it and maybe he grows into it. In this CBA I don’t think you can move butler at 2/111.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I am not saying Williams is a good contract by any means.
I guess I am thinking forward and others are thinking present. I think his value was very specific to GSW right now. I don’t think he can be easily moved to another team going forward. Just my opinion. I can’t think of another team that would trade for him and give positive value next offseason.

By the same token though, who is giving positive value for Patrick Williams next offseason?

Yeah no one, but you can move it and maybe he grows into it. In this CBA I don’t think you can move butler at 2/111.

Woah, I disagree big time with this.

There is always going to be a team or teams who believe they are a Jimmy Butler away from competing for a title. Every single season there will be 1-2 teams who tell themselves that, or more.

OTOH, nobody is going to be a Patrick Williams away from competing or be a rebuilding team tying up 4 years of cap for him and losing flexibility.

It's so weird seeing a Celtics fan of all people miscalculating post-season Jimmy Butler and just how valuable his skill-set is around the league.

[brackdan70]

By the same token though, who is giving positive value for Patrick Williams next offseason?

Yeah no one, but you can move it and maybe he grows into it. In this CBA I don’t think you can move butler at 2/111.

Woah, I disagree big time with this.

There is always going to be a team or teams who believe they are a Jimmy Butler away from competing for a title. Every single season there will be 1-2 teams who tell themselves that, or more.

OTOH, nobody is going to be a Patrick Williams away from competing or be a rebuilding team tying up 4 years of cap for him and losing flexibility.

It's so weird seeing a Celtics fan of all people miscalculating post-season Jimmy Butler and just how valuable his skill-set is around the league.

He is not 33 anymore. He wasn’t available for the playoffs last year. Maybe he will be this year. You are talking about the past, I am valuing his contract for the future.

[SkyHook]

Butler

[Dr Positivity]

Pat Williams 8

Butler 2

Barrett 1

Ayton 1

Ingram 1


Williams runs away with last vote. I will post the full list thread later.

[Scoot McGroot]

Zeke Nnaji (2 years, 24.5 million)

Nnaji has an additional player option year. He has 3 more years total under contract.

[Dr Positivity]

Nnaji has an additional player option year. He has 3 more years total under contract.

Yes I messed that up as it's 3 years including this year with an option 4th, I think Pat Williams would have still won though.