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Re: Trade Young 

Post#21 » by wemby » Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:18 am

Ball4life32 wrote:
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Ball4life32 wrote:
Spoiler:

Hawks the only treadmill team starting checks 3 guys still on their rookie contract.

Trae 26 yrs old
Dyson 21 yrs old
Risacher 19 yrs old
Johnson 23 yrs old (22 yr old Gueye has been starting for him)
Okongwu 24 yrs old

And obviously 20/10/5 Johnson is out for the year and hawks were multiple games above .500 when he went down. More like hawks have built their team around Trae and don’t have their own picks is why he hasn’t been moved. Hawks 6th most injuries with a young team and still in the playoff race.

Hawks are in the playin because the East is comically bad, in the West they'd be 11th and out altogether right now. But even in the East, they'd be first round fodder even with Jalen Johnson, who by the way is injured A LOT so I wouldn't say this is an anomaly. Bottom line, any team where Trae is the best player is far, far away from contention.

I said playoff race which Hawks would technically be in even if they were in the West and they’re younger than every play in team (West or East) other than maybe the Magic. Point is hawks are too young to be stuck on the treadmill (plus have money to spend this summer) which was my point before for you had to throw in you’re comments about Trae like we haven’t already seen him led a team to an ECF (got hurt when hawks were ahead in the series btw) as a #1 with zero all star teammates.

And JJ’s injuries have been minor so not a ton worried long term, he had +13 on/off when he went down….he makes a huge impact when he’s healthy and makes hawks a lot better team.

Well, if your expectations are low enough that barely making the play in with the 17th record in the league means you're above the treadmill, then be my guest... to each their own I guess.
As for that one lone ECF, we have 7 years worth of history to prove how much of an outlier that was, just thank your lucky stars for Ben Simmons epic meltdown, he had much more to do with you advancing than Trae did.
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Re: Trade Young 

Post#22 » by Ball4life32 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:27 am

wemby wrote:
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wemby wrote:Hawks are in the playin because the East is comically bad, in the West they'd be 11th and out altogether right now. But even in the East, they'd be first round fodder even with Jalen Johnson, who by the way is injured A LOT so I wouldn't say this is an anomaly. Bottom line, any team where Trae is the best player is far, far away from contention.

I said playoff race which Hawks would technically be in even if they were in the West and they’re younger than every play in team (West or East) other than maybe the Magic. Point is hawks are too young to be stuck on the treadmill (plus have money to spend this summer) which was my point before for you had to throw in you’re comments about Trae like we haven’t already seen him led a team to an ECF (got hurt when hawks were ahead in the series btw) as a #1 with zero all star teammates.

And JJ’s injuries have been minor so not a ton worried long term, he had +13 on/off when he went down….he makes a huge impact when he’s healthy and makes hawks a lot better team.

Well, if your expectations are low enough that barely making the play in with the 17th record in the league means you're above the treadmill, then be my guest... to each their own I guess.
As for that one lone ECF, we have 7 years worth of history to prove how much of an outlier that was, just thank your lucky stars for Ben Simmons epic meltdown, he had much more to do with you advancing than Trae did.

And again Hawks have one of the youngest starting lineups in the league and have the 6th most games missed because of injuries but keep glossing that over I guess. And Simmons was a plus in that series despite all the controversy over literally one play.

SlimShady83 wrote:Any chance of Trae going to Kings in some sort of trade? Just had a thought, while watching today's game

I can’t see anything realistic and hawks own kings pick this year already. (top 12 protected)
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Re: Trade Young 

Post#23 » by BBallFreak » Sun Mar 23, 2025 11:27 am

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Astaluego wrote:What's going on with Adebayo? What are the Heat doing? I can't believe Miami's interest in KD... Don't you want to extend Butler for a few months, then pay for assets to get an older KD? I don't see it. They're not going under, but they're probably open to a reorganization?
Bam+Wiggins for Risacher/OO/Mann/Niang+2 FRP??

Trae/DD/Wiggins/JJ/Adebayo
This team would have to make some noise and with room for growth.

Why would Miami do that? We'd be more likely to try and add Trae to Bam and Herro

On the flip side, Miami doesn't have enough premium assets to entice the Hawks to trade in conference.

Not saying you're wrong, but ditto with Bam
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Re: Trade Young 

Post#24 » by youngcrev » Sun Mar 23, 2025 11:38 am

BBallFreak wrote:
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BBallFreak wrote:Why would Miami do that? We'd be more likely to try and add Trae to Bam and Herro

On the flip side, Miami doesn't have enough premium assets to entice the Hawks to trade in conference.

Not saying you're wrong, but ditto with Bam


Outside looking in: something based around Risacher or Jalen Johnson + Okongwu for Bam feels a lot more reasonable than anything the Heat could offer the other way.
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Re: Trade Young 

Post#25 » by BBallFreak » Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:19 pm

youngcrev wrote:
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jayu70 wrote:On the flip side, Miami doesn't have enough premium assets to entice the Hawks to trade in conference.

Not saying you're wrong, but ditto with Bam


Outside looking in: something based around Risacher or Jalen Johnson + Okongwu for Bam feels a lot more reasonable than anything the Heat could offer the other way.

Really? 3 first round picks, Ware, Jovic, JJJ, and expiring deals isn't needle moving?
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Re: Trade Young 

Post#26 » by dms269 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:32 pm

youngcrev wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
jayu70 wrote:On the flip side, Miami doesn't have enough premium assets to entice the Hawks to trade in conference.

Not saying you're wrong, but ditto with Bam


Outside looking in: something based around Risacher or Jalen Johnson + Okongwu for Bam feels a lot more reasonable than anything the Heat could offer the other way.


I am not sure that is reasonable for the Hawks in any way, shape, or form.
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Re: Trade Young 

Post#27 » by youngcrev » Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:53 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
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BBallFreak wrote:Not saying you're wrong, but ditto with Bam


Outside looking in: something based around Risacher or Jalen Johnson + Okongwu for Bam feels a lot more reasonable than anything the Heat could offer the other way.

Really? 3 first round picks, Ware, Jovic, JJJ, and expiring deals isn't needle moving?


That's reasonable. When you put it like that, yes, Miami could put a quality offer on the table. I'd still say the Hawks pretty clearly have the ability to offer more value offer if we're just sizing up assets.
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Re: Trade Young 

Post#28 » by youngcrev » Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:54 pm

dms269 wrote:
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BBallFreak wrote:Not saying you're wrong, but ditto with Bam


Outside looking in: something based around Risacher or Jalen Johnson + Okongwu for Bam feels a lot more reasonable than anything the Heat could offer the other way.


I am not sure that is reasonable for the Hawks in any way, shape, or form.


Maybe. Not even saying they would. Just commenting on who has more to offer if Trae/Bam is the end game.
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Re: Trade Young 

Post#29 » by BBallFreak » Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:03 pm

youngcrev wrote:
dms269 wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
Outside looking in: something based around Risacher or Jalen Johnson + Okongwu for Bam feels a lot more reasonable than anything the Heat could offer the other way.


I am not sure that is reasonable for the Hawks in any way, shape, or form.


Maybe. Not even saying they would. Just commenting on who has more to offer if Trae/Bam is the end game.

More to offer isn't the same as would offer. We can throw in Tyler Herro and Coach Spo. Doesn't mean we should. What I just put on the table is a reasonable offer that I could see Miami giving for the right player. If Atlanta isn't willing to give up your offer then maybe they're not as asset rich as you believe.

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