New Orleans - Orlando

[ReggiesKnicks]

New Orleans In: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony

Orlando In: C.J. McCollum

New Orleans swaps veterans and creation for defense as they continue to build around Zion Williamson for one more year.
Orlando adds shot creation and shooting to a roster desperate for both, while C.J. is a consummate professional.

[Godaddycurse]

new orleans probably need more value going back given KCP's extra year.

maybe a late (denvers) 1st like memphis paid to unload smart

[ReggiesKnicks]

new orleans probably need more value going back given KCP's extra year.

maybe a late (denvers) 1st like memphis paid to unload smart

KCP is a lot better and more valuable than Marcus Smart. Maybe a 2nd or two?

KCP as a free agent this off-season would easily command the MLE. Teams don't just look at a 65-game stretch and say "KCP can't shoot".

[Godaddycurse]

new orleans probably need more value going back given KCP's extra year.

maybe a late (denvers) 1st like memphis paid to unload smart

KCP is a lot better and more valuable than Marcus Smart. Maybe a 2nd or two?

KCP as a free agent this off-season would easily command the MLE. Teams don't just look at a 65-game stretch and say "KCP can't shoot".

I dont think KCP would fetch MLE this season after his down year and given his age. he might still be better than Smart though so maybe you're right it cost 2nds instead of a late 1st

[ReggiesKnicks]

new orleans probably need more value going back given KCP's extra year.

maybe a late (denvers) 1st like memphis paid to unload smart

KCP is a lot better and more valuable than Marcus Smart. Maybe a 2nd or two?

KCP as a free agent this off-season would easily command the MLE. Teams don't just look at a 65-game stretch and say "KCP can't shoot".

I dont think KCP would fetch MLE this season after his down year and given his age. he might still be better than Smart though so maybe you're right it cost 2nds instead of a late 1st

Most teams, when assessing players, use models that include multiple years, and for good reason.

[Godaddycurse]

KCP is a lot better and more valuable than Marcus Smart. Maybe a 2nd or two?

KCP as a free agent this off-season would easily command the MLE. Teams don't just look at a 65-game stretch and say "KCP can't shoot".

I dont think KCP would fetch MLE this season after his down year and given his age. he might still be better than Smart though so maybe you're right it cost 2nds instead of a late 1st

Most teams, when assessing players, use models that include multiple years, and for good reason.

yea but its not also uncommon for players in their 30s to decline. He has a lot of milage (next year will be his 13th) so i'm wary until proven otherwise

[jbk1234]

KCP is not a trade asset on his current contract. Cole Anthony is not a trade asset. No team is taking either one into cap space for free. Both players are moveable with value attached, but there's going to have to be value attached. CJ is the best player of the 3,. There's no reason for the Pelicans to make the trade straight up.

[Astaluego]

I really like the idea of CJ to the Magic, as it's very similar to what I think they need... the main problem is that with Dejonte's injury, McCollum is the closest thing to a starting-level PG that they have.

[Skybox]

When will DJM be back? The vision of a DJM/KCP POA defense is nasty...by then, Missi will have his feet securely under him...when you factor in Murphy, Herb, Hawkins, with a healthy Zion - that's very interesting on both ends.

[OrlandoDream]

CJ is so washed. I rather keep KCP and expiring cole with our pick for another trade.

[One_and_Done]

I don't understand Orlando's motivation.

[lordjeff05]

KCP is a lot better and more valuable than Marcus Smart. Maybe a 2nd or two?

KCP as a free agent this off-season would easily command the MLE. Teams don't just look at a 65-game stretch and say "KCP can't shoot".

I dont think KCP would fetch MLE this season after his down year and given his age. he might still be better than Smart though so maybe you're right it cost 2nds instead of a late 1st

Most teams, when assessing players, use models that include multiple years, and for good reason.

Yeah and those models account for age. That man is 32 with a declining scoring rate every year.

Still I think trade is kinda intriguing as Anthony is the exact kind of stop gap we need while DJM gets healthy this year.

I’m kind of in the fence between trading for a point guard who can be our guy next year and relying on CJ in that role nominally whilst really relying on him, Zion and Herb to share ball handling duties amongst the starters.

[Skybox]

I dont think KCP would fetch MLE this season after his down year and given his age. he might still be better than Smart though so maybe you're right it cost 2nds instead of a late 1st

Most teams, when assessing players, use models that include multiple years, and for good reason.

Yeah and those models account for age. That man is 32 with a declining scoring rate every year.

Still I think trade is kinda intriguing as Anthony is the exact kind of stop gap we need while DJM gets healthy this year.

I’m kind of in the fence between trading for a point guard who can be our guy next year and relying on CJ in that role nominally whilst really relying on him, Zion and Herb to share ball handling duties amongst the starters.

Claiming KCP is declining but being intrigued by Cole is very clear indicator that you haven’t watched ORL games. KCP is as energetic and physical a defender as ever and played 30 mpg…and was most reliable ORL player at 71 games. I love Cole, but he’s a crapshoot…expiring salary. Best teammate in the league, capable of ANYTHING when the lights are brightest, fearless, but not someone to rely on for steady contributions.

ORL’s offensive scheme (or complete lack of) is, basically, watching Franz & Paolo iso…EVERYONE on the team is shooting career lows from 3. Recently, Cory freakin’ Joseph has been starting at PG and has influenced a great improvement in offensive efficiency with the team “miraculously” starting to hit 3’s again…ORL fans now dreaming about what a legit vet Lead Guard, even an old overpaid one could to open up the offense to a greater level.

[mg]

CJ is so washed. I rather keep KCP and expiring cole with our pick for another trade.

I haven't watched enough of NO this season but will say CJ doesn't match the current ORL window at all. I don't know why the Magic didn't already trade Cole+FRP at the deadline for a scoring guard but for whatever reason they typically don't make in season deals.

[ReggiesKnicks]

CJ is so washed. I rather keep KCP and expiring cole with our pick for another trade.

I haven't watched enough of NO this season but will say CJ doesn't match the current ORL window at all.

Orlando needs secondary playmaking and shooting. C.J. provides both and isn't a long-term commitment. Not every player Orlando acquires needs to be between 22-25 years old. Successful young teams have key contributors who fill a role as veterans and C.J. checks boxes for Orlando without sacrificing any long-term assets (in my proposal).

I don't know why the Magic didn't already trade Cole+FRP at the deadline for a scoring guard but for whatever reason they typically don't make in season deals.

Trades require 2 teams. Orlando could offer Cole+FRP to 29 teams but none could be interested in sending a player Orlando deems worthy of a FRP.

[Skybox]

I dont think KCP would fetch MLE this season after his down year and given his age. he might still be better than Smart though so maybe you're right it cost 2nds instead of a late 1st

Most teams, when assessing players, use models that include multiple years, and for good reason.

Yeah and those models account for age. That man is 32 with a declining scoring rate every year.

Still I think trade is kinda intriguing as Anthony is the exact kind of stop gap we need while DJM gets healthy this year.

I’m kind of in the fence between trading for a point guard who can be our guy next year and relying on CJ in that role nominally whilst really relying on him, Zion and Herb to share ball handling duties amongst the starters.

How old is the spring chicken they’re trading old man KCP for?

One year difference and CJ is an expiring deal. Both are reliable and productive…just different fits

[lordjeff05]

Most teams, when assessing players, use models that include multiple years, and for good reason.

Yeah and those models account for age. That man is 32 with a declining scoring rate every year.

Still I think trade is kinda intriguing as Anthony is the exact kind of stop gap we need while DJM gets healthy this year.

I’m kind of in the fence between trading for a point guard who can be our guy next year and relying on CJ in that role nominally whilst really relying on him, Zion and Herb to share ball handling duties amongst the starters.

Claiming KCP is declining but being intrigued by Cole is very clear indicator that you haven’t watched ORL games. KCP is as energetic and physical a defender as ever and played 30 mpg…and was most reliable ORL player at 71 games. I love Cole, but he’s a crapshoot…expiring salary. Best teammate in the league, capable of ANYTHING when the lights are brightest, fearless, but not someone to rely on for steady contributions.

ORL’s offensive scheme (or complete lack of) is, basically, watching Franz & Paolo iso…EVERYONE on the team is shooting career lows from 3. Recently, Cory freakin’ Joseph has been starting at PG and has influenced a great improvement in offensive efficiency with the team “miraculously” starting to hit 3’s again…ORL fans now dreaming about what a legit vet Lead Guard, even an old overpaid one could to open up the offense to a greater level.

The " you haven't watched the games" stuff is cute but I don't need to watch the games to know KCP isn't providing what we need and his game has declined offensively for the 3rd straight year, which doesn't bode well for a guard in his 30's. His 3 numbers could take a bump but it isn't a great bet and even if they do, there wil lbe a question of whether he does a bare minimum of all of the other things on offense in order to be net positive vs just turning in to another contract you have to offload. Cole is intriguing not because he is a better player than KCP but because he provides a specific type of play at a specific type of contract. Pelicans are likely going to want to see how DJM's rehab is going before pulling the trigger on investing on a true lead guard via trade or free agency. We could likely draft one but getting a point guard to be a true net plus as a rookie on a vet team is unlikely. All of that means that you need a guard who won't break the bank, but who also won't completely kill you. I get that he is inconsistent but you aren't going to be able to get alot for what the Pels are willing to give.

I'm sure the Orlando scheme doesn't help, but KCP's offensive game was declining even last year playing with the best passing big ever, so it isn't just a scheme thing.

[lordjeff05]

Most teams, when assessing players, use models that include multiple years, and for good reason.

Yeah and those models account for age. That man is 32 with a declining scoring rate every year.

Still I think trade is kinda intriguing as Anthony is the exact kind of stop gap we need while DJM gets healthy this year.

I’m kind of in the fence between trading for a point guard who can be our guy next year and relying on CJ in that role nominally whilst really relying on him, Zion and Herb to share ball handling duties amongst the starters.

How old is the spring chicken they’re trading old man KCP for?

One year difference and CJ is an expiring deal. Both are reliable and productive…just different fits

KCP's age would be less relevant if there wasn't also evidence of his game declining. I don't think that's some hot take. I agree with your general point about both being reliable and productive but KCP's game has gotten worse offensively and those things don't usually magically improve in your 30's after years of decline, which is more concerning because his contract is longer even if its less money.

I do think CJ is a great fit for Orlando, although I don't know what you do after next year because he certainly doesn't fit with the timeline of the core players.

[Skybox]

Yeah and those models account for age. That man is 32 with a declining scoring rate every year.

Still I think trade is kinda intriguing as Anthony is the exact kind of stop gap we need while DJM gets healthy this year.

I’m kind of in the fence between trading for a point guard who can be our guy next year and relying on CJ in that role nominally whilst really relying on him, Zion and Herb to share ball handling duties amongst the starters.

How old is the spring chicken they’re trading old man KCP for?

One year difference and CJ is an expiring deal. Both are reliable and productive…just different fits

KCP's age would be less relevant if there wasn't also evidence of his game declining. I don't think that's some hot take. I agree with your general point about both being reliable and productive but KCP's game has gotten worse offensively and those things don't usually magically improve in your 30's after years of decline, which is more concerning because his contract is longer even if its less money.

I do think CJ is a great fit for Orlando, although I don't know what you do after next year because he certainly doesn't fit with the timeline of the core players.

Plus, he'll still be a year older than KCP with twice the injury history...but I base it on what I see.