Keegan plus picks

[SNPA]

Let’s say Sac decides to go one more year with Sabonis but knows they have to get a second player who pushes Zach down the pecking order. Sac decides the only way to get a truly impactful player and not trade Sabonis is to have the base of the deal be Keegan and picks plus salary.

What could Sac get with Keegan and picks? Sac has all their firsts starting in 26 and forward along with the Spurs 27 unprotected and the Minny 31 unprotected.

[shrink]

Can you SAC fans give us a couple paragraphs about where you think Keegan is right now? After a terrific rookie season, his three point percentage has dropped, and I didn’t see all the growth I hoped for. But you guys know more. Is this a situational thing, a team thing, or a Keegan thing? What do you expect him to become?

[ChettheJet]

I think you're trying to solve a problem the Kings don't have. You want someone BETTER than the guy scoring 23.4, 4.3 Reb 4.2 Assists 51.3% shooting and 44.6% from 3, BOTH % the best of his career Do you think there are teams who want to send you an All Star?

[codydaze]

Can you SAC fans give us a couple paragraphs about where you think Keegan is right now? After a terrific rookie season, his three point percentage has dropped, and I didn’t see all the growth I hoped for. But you guys know more. Is this a situational thing, a team thing, or a Keegan thing? What do you expect him to become?

Offensively, we haven't necessarily seen the development we would have hoped for but we also haven't really put him in the best situation to be developing the skills he needs. When he's out there sharing the floor with Sabonis/Derozan/Lavine/Malik, there aren't a whole lot of opportunities for him to have the ball in his hands in a creator role. His 3P% dropping has been disappointing but he has definitely started to show the ability to create his own shot when he's aggressive but the thing with Keegan is getting him to be aggressive. It's partly sharing the floor with ball dominating players but also partly him just needing to assert himself more, he's not completely absolved of the blame for that.

Defensively though, he's a stud. He has developed into a really, really good defender and draws the toughest assignment every single night, whether that's Steph Curry or Giannis. He's got Keon starting right now next to him who helps with the perimeter defense but again, when he was out on the floor with Sabonis/Derozan/Lavine/Malik he's the only guy that can defend at a high level and is run ragged trying to prop up an entire defense by himself. I'd like to think that him needing to put out this massive amount of energy on that end is another reason his offense hasn't developed but that might be a bit of an excuse given what I said previously about him just asserting himself more. His defense and rebounding have taken another leap this year and I think he's legitimately an all defense level talent.

I still think he has the ceiling of a Mikal Bridges level impact guy but he definitely needs that outside shot to get back to form, he's back to 38.9% from deep since the new year so hopefully he can sustain that going forward. The rest of the offense will be tough to ever see with the way the roster is constructed right now, there are just too many high usage guys around him to ever see consistent volume and touches.

[SNPA]

Do you think there are teams who want to send you an All Star?

That’s the hope. Find a disgruntled all-star.

[OxAndFox]

Can you SAC fans give us a couple paragraphs about where you think Keegan is right now? After a terrific rookie season, his three point percentage has dropped, and I didn’t see all the growth I hoped for. But you guys know more. Is this a situational thing, a team thing, or a Keegan thing? What do you expect him to become?

Rookie season: Sit in the corner and only shoot 3s. Do not. I repeat. DO NOT do anything else on offense.

Season 2: Keegan worked with Fox in the off season, but instead of allowing what he learned on the offensive end and for his game to evolve, he showed everyone just how much he improved on D. This led Mike Brown to draw the conclusion that Keegan is now a 3&D player. His advancement in the offense was to share DHO action with Huerter so it meant he was shooting just as many off balance 3s as he was otherwise. Huge drop off in 3P%.

Season 3: The front office thought it was a great idea to add yet another scorer to the mix in DDR, one that stalls the offense and takes everyone out of flow, but hey did you know Deebo scores so many points in the 4th? Mike Brown doubled down on the Keegan 3&D and had him as the teams main defender, whether that be against Steph or Jokic. Doug Christie has continued this trend. Despite Keegan being allowed to show more of an offensive arsenal he continues to be iced out of games by his teammates unless he is on fire. But that's the Sacramento offensive system. If you hit your last shot we want you shooting the next one.

He is easily the teams' best defender, has played out of position his entire career and goes quarters, yes quarters, without seeing much of the ball on offense.
If he was on Brooklyn or a team that has the time to give him as a #1 or #2 scoring option, playing the 3 he would comfortably be averaging 22-24ppg.

Now some of this is on Keegan. He doesn't just demand the ball, but most is on the FO and their failure to build a team. When you're shooting the ball only 10 times a game and your on the floor 34mpg your not part of the offense and you know it. The only guy in the NBA that has that is Josh Hart.

[Godaddycurse]

Im kinda worried murray will become the next patrick williams... Esp considering he has the same high usage teammates as williams did, but with an even more high usage C to boot

[babyjax13]

FWIW if a picks only package is more appealing I'd do the 2025 MIN 1st + the middle of the 2027 UTA/LAL/[MIN/CLE] 1st (lower if LAL does not convey) for Murray. I think there is more there than he can show on offense.

[Astaluego]

I'd keep him...make DDR into Jrue on a 3-team deal and send an overpayment to the Blazers for Camara (Spurs 27 + Wolves 31?)

[Astaluego]

Monk/Murray/Valanciunas+FRP? for OG Anunoby ..

Ellis/Lavine/DDR/OG/Sabonis

The Knicks send Valanciunas/Robinson+FRP to the NETS for Claxton to fix their depth issues.

Brunson/Bridges/Hart/KAT/Claxton
Monk/Mcbridge/Murray

[BoogieTime]

Can you SAC fans give us a couple paragraphs about where you think Keegan is right now? After a terrific rookie season, his three point percentage has dropped, and I didn’t see all the growth I hoped for. But you guys know more. Is this a situational thing, a team thing, or a Keegan thing? What do you expect him to become?

Rookie season: Sit in the corner and only shoot 3s. Do not. I repeat. DO NOT do anything else on offense.

Season 2: Keegan worked with Fox in the off season, but instead of allowing what he learned on the offensive end and for his game to evolve, he showed everyone just how much he improved on D. This led Mike Brown to draw the conclusion that Keegan is now a 3&D player. His advancement in the offense was to share DHO action with Huerter so it meant he was shooting just as many off balance 3s as he was otherwise. Huge drop off in 3P%.

Season 3: The front office thought it was a great idea to add yet another scorer to the mix in DDR, one that stalls the offense and takes everyone out of flow, but hey did you know Deebo scores so many points in the 4th? Mike Brown doubled down on the Keegan 3&D and had him as the teams main defender, whether that be against Steph or Jokic. Doug Christie has continued this trend. Despite Keegan being allowed to show more of an offensive arsenal he continues to be iced out of games by his teammates unless he is on fire. But that's the Sacramento offensive system. If you hit your last shot we want you shooting the next one.

He is easily the teams' best defender, has played out of position his entire career and goes quarters, yes quarters, without seeing much of the ball on offense.
If he was on Brooklyn or a team that has the time to give him as a #1 or #2 scoring option, playing the 3 he would comfortably be averaging 22-24ppg.

Now some of this is on Keegan. He doesn't just demand the ball, but most is on the FO and their failure to build a team. When you're shooting the ball only 10 times a game and your on the floor 34mpg your not part of the offense and you know it. The only guy in the NBA that has that is Josh Hart.

The team is better without him. He has no gravity on O whatsoever and has a low motor to boot

[ReggiesKnicks]

Do you think there are teams who want to send you an All Star?

That’s the hope. Find a disgruntled all-star.

Who is the player?

1 LeBron James Shaq
2 Anthony Edwards Kenny
3 Nikola Jokić Charles
4 Giannis Antetokounmpo Charles
5 Stephen Curry Shaq
6 Jalen Brunson Kenny
7 Jaren Jackson Jr. Kenny
8 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Charles
9 Anthony Davis Shaq
10 Jayson Tatum Shaq
11 Jalen Williams Kenny
12 Victor Wembanyama Charles
13 Pascal Siakam Charles
14 Kevin Durant Shaq
15 Darius Garland Kenny
16 Evan Mobley Kenny
17 Alperen Şengün Charles
18 Damian Lillard Shaq
19 James Harden Shaq
20 Cade Cunningham Kenny
21 Karl-Anthony Towns Charles
22 Donovan Mitchell Charles
23 Jaylen Brown Shaq
24 Tyler Herro Kenny

[SNPA]

Double

[SNPA]

Do you think there are teams who want to send you an All Star?

That’s the hope. Find a disgruntled all-star.

Who is the player?

1 LeBron James Shaq
2 Anthony Edwards Kenny
3 Nikola Jokić Charles
4 Giannis Antetokounmpo Charles
5 Stephen Curry Shaq
6 Jalen Brunson Kenny
7 Jaren Jackson Jr. Kenny
8 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Charles
9 Anthony Davis Shaq
10 Jayson Tatum Shaq
11 Jalen Williams Kenny
12 Victor Wembanyama Charles
13 Pascal Siakam Charles
14 Kevin Durant Shaq
15 Darius Garland Kenny
16 Evan Mobley Kenny
17 Alperen Şengün Charles
18 Damian Lillard Shaq
19 James Harden Shaq
20 Cade Cunningham Kenny
21 Karl-Anthony Towns Charles
22 Donovan Mitchell Charles
23 Jaylen Brown Shaq
24 Tyler Herro Kenny

lol. Do you know the value of Kings picks? Also, the pool is bigger than this. I didn’t mean only all stars from this year.

Also, given the current Kings roster I wouldn’t trade Keegan straight up for Herro.

Ex. The Celtics fall out in the second round. Cuts are coming and Brown is tired of Tatum taking his glory….Zach(6th man)/Keegan/2-3firsts is a solid offer.

[ReggiesKnicks]

That’s the hope. Find a disgruntled all-star.

Who is the player?

1 LeBron James Shaq
2 Anthony Edwards Kenny
3 Nikola Jokić Charles
4 Giannis Antetokounmpo Charles
5 Stephen Curry Shaq
6 Jalen Brunson Kenny
7 Jaren Jackson Jr. Kenny
8 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Charles
9 Anthony Davis Shaq
10 Jayson Tatum Shaq
11 Jalen Williams Kenny
12 Victor Wembanyama Charles
13 Pascal Siakam Charles
14 Kevin Durant Shaq
15 Darius Garland Kenny
16 Evan Mobley Kenny
17 Alperen Şengün Charles
18 Damian Lillard Shaq
19 James Harden Shaq
20 Cade Cunningham Kenny
21 Karl-Anthony Towns Charles
22 Donovan Mitchell Charles
23 Jaylen Brown Shaq
24 Tyler Herro Kenny

lol. Do you know the value of Kings picks?

I'm not the one proposing the Kings should trade for "a disgruntled all-star". [/quote]

Also, given the current Kings roster I wouldn’t trade Keegan straight up for Herro.

Cool.

Ex. The Celtics fall out in the second round. Cuts are coming and Brown is tired of Tatum taking his glory….Zach(6th man)/Keegan/2-3firsts is a solid offer.

Seems like an overpay.

[SNPA]

Who is the player?

1 LeBron James Shaq
2 Anthony Edwards Kenny
3 Nikola Jokić Charles
4 Giannis Antetokounmpo Charles
5 Stephen Curry Shaq
6 Jalen Brunson Kenny
7 Jaren Jackson Jr. Kenny
8 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Charles
9 Anthony Davis Shaq
10 Jayson Tatum Shaq
11 Jalen Williams Kenny
12 Victor Wembanyama Charles
13 Pascal Siakam Charles
14 Kevin Durant Shaq
15 Darius Garland Kenny
16 Evan Mobley Kenny
17 Alperen Şengün Charles
18 Damian Lillard Shaq
19 James Harden Shaq
20 Cade Cunningham Kenny
21 Karl-Anthony Towns Charles
22 Donovan Mitchell Charles
23 Jaylen Brown Shaq
24 Tyler Herro Kenny

lol. Do you know the value of Kings picks?

I'm not the one proposing the Kings should trade for "a disgruntled all-star".

Also, given the current Kings roster I wouldn’t trade Keegan straight up for Herro.

Cool.

Ex. The Celtics fall out in the second round. Cuts are coming and Brown is tired of Tatum taking his glory….Zach(6th man)/Keegan/2-3firsts is a solid offer.

Seems like an overpay.[/quote]
If it was the Spurs and Minny picks…I think most Kings fan would do that.

[jayjaysee]

If Dallas was wanting to do a one year tank… you could do the three mid sized contracts (Demar, Jonas, Murray) and whatever assets for AD. Dallas can go find a second or two for Demar maybe. But you tank next season and hope Kyrie/PJ still want to be Mavericks after that…

The same three Sac players for KD is a legal trade.

Sac likely would have to be willing to go over the tax for one season, or have an entire bench of vet mins… think you have to hope they go over the tax one year. Will drop right back below in the following season..

And if those trade ideas work, then the same works for Lauri..

Not listing if/what Sac owes in any of those ideas.. Sac could get those guys without including Murray but maybe better to maintain the future assets if you don’t feel it’s a true contender?

[longfellow44]

The biggest issue for Keegan Murray is also the biggest issue for the kings offense as a whole. Demar DeRozan is a bad fit for a roster that is built around pace and space offense.

DeRozan either needs to be traded or agree to come off the bench. When the ball is moving around a lot Keegan Murray is fantastic, but when the ball sits in the hands of an iso player like DeRozan all of Keegan strengths go to waste.

Unfortunately I think the kings will improve by moving DeRozan rather than Murray.

Move DeRozan for a small forward or power forward that plays defense and both Keegan and the kings should improve significantly.