TOR - ORL: Gradey Dick to the Magic

[Skybox]

This is probably closer than the Poeltl trade in value wise, but the Raps arent gonna pay to get off of RJ's contract. He doesnt actually hurt our flexibiility right now and by the time he would, his contract will be up and he can either walk or be reasonable in what he wants (or improve, i guess, thats an option)

I actually dont mind trading back from 8 as i dont like the prospects there much, but the FO has liked to just get their guy, even if theyre perceived to reach at the time rather than trade down (what they did for Scottie in his draft)

There’s a lot of value in that package- I’d hardly call it paying to get off RJ’s deal

7-8 is much more valuable than 16 + 24. 16 + 24 get you to ~11-12 pick only. KCP and Howard doesnt make up the gap to 7-8

I think you’re underestimating KCP’s impact as well as JR’s negative, but we can agree to disagree. You obviously see more of your guy than I do and vice versa. I’m really high on KCP, I think he’d be great raising TOR’s backcourt intensity on D and he’s still very formidable on both ends himself. He’s just redundant with younger, more unrealized upside and home-grown Suggs and emerging Black…fit-wise, I like RJ/KCP swap for both. KCP has a contagious intensity that suits a young team, especially one with some questionable defensive efforts like Ingram, Dick, etc.

[Godaddycurse]

There’s a lot of value in that package- I’d hardly call it paying to get off RJ’s deal

7-8 is much more valuable than 16 + 24. 16 + 24 get you to ~11-12 pick only. KCP and Howard doesnt make up the gap to 7-8

I think you’re underestimating KCP’s impact as well as JR’s negative, but we can agree to disagree. You obviously see more of your guy than I do and vice versa. I’m really high on KCP, I think he’d be great raising TOR’s backcourt intensity on D and he’s still very formidable on both ends himself. He’s just redundant with younger, more unrealized upside and home-grown Suggs and emerging Black…fit-wise, I like RJ/KCP swap for both. KCP has a contagious intensity that suits a young team, especially one with some questionable defensive efforts like Ingram, Dick, etc.

I think KCP and RJ are both closer to neutral value. some see them as weakly positive, others negative. Either way the gap between 7-8 and 11-12 is much larger than the gap between KCP and RJ.

[Devilanche]

What I really want is draft rights to Maluach for ORL.

How many more center does Orlando wants ? Time to find a solution to the point guard hole.

Not hoarding Centers…trying to find the right one. WCJ and/or Goga will have trade value for next…I’m actually able to look at more than one thing at a time.

Is there any rumblings what Orlando will do about the point guard this coming offseason ? Or is black expected to take a jump ?

[Skybox]

How many more center does Orlando wants ? Time to find a solution to the point guard hole.

Not hoarding Centers…trying to find the right one. WCJ and/or Goga will have trade value for next…I’m actually able to look at more than one thing at a time.

Is there any rumblings what Orlando will do about the point guard this coming offseason ? Or is black expected to take a jump ?

Only RealGMers to my knowledge. ORL’s front office is embarrassingly idle…but Weltman has felt more media heat than before - even from media lapdogs. He gave some truly pathetic quote about how he was actively looking for trades at the deadline but rival GMs saw he was desperate and wouldn’t work with him …I’m sure it’ll get much better for him now …finally, after inserting deep bench vet Cory Joseph into the lineup and getting a small taste of what a traditional PG can do for EVERYONE’s offensive efficiency, the evidence for further backcourt upgrades is now overwhelming…but he’s old & stubborn and it will require a significant admission that his vision was flawed…I just hope he has the courage to course-correct rather than point to ORL’s injuries and late season resurgence as evidence that everything is peachy.

Honestly, I’d welcome a new FO…Griffin is always dynamic (and, as a fan, I like proactive guys, not playing it safe, less worried about appearing to making mistakes as opposed to just pushing forward and managing setbacks). This isn’t world diplomacy or managing the economy, it’s just entertainment…take some swings.

[Devilanche]

Not hoarding Centers…trying to find the right one. WCJ and/or Goga will have trade value for next…I’m actually able to look at more than one thing at a time.

Is there any rumblings what Orlando will do about the point guard this coming offseason ? Or is black expected to take a jump ?

Only RealGMers to my knowledge. ORL’s front office is embarrassingly idle…but Weltman has felt more media heat than before - even from media lapdogs. He gave some truly pathetic quote about how he was actively looking for trades at the deadline but rival GMs saw he was desperate and wouldn’t work with him …I’m sure it’ll get much better for him now …finally, after inserting deep bench vet Cory Joseph into the lineup and getting a small taste of what a traditional PG can do for EVERYONE’s offensive efficiency, the evidence for further backcourt upgrades is now overwhelming…but he’s old & stubborn and it will require a significant admission that his vision was flawed…I just hope he has the courage to course-correct rather than point to ORL’s injuries and late season resurgence as evidence that everything is peachy.

Honestly, I’d welcome a new FO…Griffin is always dynamic (and, as a fan, I like proactive guys, not playing it safe, less worried about appearing to making mistakes as opposed to just pushing forward and managing setbacks). This isn’t world diplomacy or managing the economy, it’s just entertainment…take some swings.

Yes , when Cory Joseph could positively impact you that much, that’s a bad sign.

He did set the rest of the roster quite ok so he’s probably getting another season. Not sure if Griffin is the right hire. If he still want believe in youth .. can always try and see if he can get CP3 as a stopgap …

[Thaddy]

Dick is going to be at least Christian Braun level in his prime. He should be better. I wouldn't give him up for a lesser pick from where he was drafted. The 2nds don't move the needle for me.

The Raptors should let Agbaji, Dick, and Walter cook for the next 2 years and trade them on their 2nd contract. If there's a log jam I would guess Agbaji is the first curated piece to go.

[wegotthabeet]

Dick is going to be at least Christian Braun level in his prime. He should be better. I wouldn't give him up for a lesser pick from where he was drafted. The 2nds don't move the needle for me.

The Raptors should let Agbaji, Dick, and Walter cook for the next 2 years and trade them on their 2nd contract. If there's a log jam I would guess Agbaji is the first curated piece to go.

Not many rookie contract players can recoup the same pick value from where they were selected. Just ignoring that the 13th pick in one one draft does not equal the 13th pick in the next draft, most prospects lose value.

Would you trade the 7th pick for Clingan? You could argue that's fair value, but I don't think I would.

Aside from Castle, I don't think anyone drafted last year would recoup the same pick, i.e. I'd rather have the pick this year than the player selected with that same pick last year.

The 2023 class which Dick was a part of was much better, but still go through the lotto picks and it's Wembenyama, the Thompson twins & Coulibably as the only guys who I'd rather have than the pick this year and the last two are debatable.

With 2022 I wouldn't take anyone drafted in the lottery over their pick position in 2025 except Jalen Williams and maybe Chet. The Raptors traded the 29th pick in 2024 for Agbaji who was selected 14th. Dick has shown more potential than Agbaji did in Utah, but still that's usually how it would go. You're typically trading down 10 spots.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I’d do WCJ and Isaac for Poeltl & Dick (no picks).

A couple of solid defensive bigs would complement TOR’s wings. Isaac’s salary drops to $15 next season. Even in limited minutes off the bench, he’s a defensive menace to complement Barrett & Ingram. He’d also be a tremendous unselfish influence on Maluach, if they draft him…WCJ has enough offensive & defensive versatility to play at the 4 with a monster like Maluach at C.

What I really want is draft rights to Maluach for ORL.

Jakob was our best player last year. They are high on Gradey. They wouldn’t do that deal. I like both guys offered, but Isaac has terrible injury history and Carter isn’t as good as Jakob. Not even close really. He brings some shooting, but you lose almost everywhere else.

I didn’t think Poeltl was valued like that- many mocks have Masai drooling over Maluach, so I looked at it like taking Poeltl’s deal off your hands, while providing more versatile bigs that can switch all over AND, eventually, play with Maluach. I really don’t care that much about Gradey- his 3 and 3 game won’t likely displace Suggs or KCP or AB’s 3&D anyway. I’m not correcting you or arguing- I may have had the wrong idea of Poeltl/TOR.

How about #16, #24, KCP and Jett Howard (add vet defensive toughness and 3&D, another prospect, picks and take RJ off your hands)
*im not saying RJ doesn’t have value, but he’s overpaid & usually inefficient and, maybe, less of a fit than KCP, with Ingram & Barnes

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RJ Barrett & #8 (assuming Maluach)

That's pretty low for Toronto. Jett Howard looks like a bad pick or reach right now. I don't see him as a guy having value to Toronto right now. Shead and Walter both look better. KCP is a very good defender but on a team despite for scoring I don't see how RJ plus #8 in a good class drops you to #16, #24 plus two guys you have little no long term plans for