ORL/MIL - Giannis to Magic

[BlazersBroncos]

Milwaukee trades:
Giannis Antetokounmpo

Orlando trades:
Paolo Banchero
Jalen Suggs
#16

Why for Milwaukee? A full rebuild would be tough to swallow with their draft pick obligations, they decide to rebuild around Banchero.

Why for Orlando? They go in on potential championship combination of Giannis and Wagner, and Giannis being sold on playing on good team in Florida.

Orlando owes more than this.
Also, I think another team will beat this offer.

I'm skeptical that this offer gets beat. I'd need to hear the specific name of the player on a rookie deal who's better than Paolo who is likely to be offered.

Ya - no one is beating this offer IMO.

[penbeast0]

Orlando owes more than this.
Also, I think another team will beat this offer.

I'm skeptical that this offer gets beat. I'd need to hear the specific name of the player on a rookie deal who's better than Paolo who is likely to be offered.

Ya - no one is beating this offer IMO.

It's certainly likely that Giannis doesn't get dealt unless he wants to, but Banchero/Suggs/1st is as good an offer as any but the Holmgren/Jalen Williams/draft picks one from OKC if Milwaukee really feels they need to move him.

[jbk1234]

I'm skeptical that this offer gets beat. I'd need to hear the specific name of the player on a rookie deal who's better than Paolo who is likely to be offered.

Ya - no one is beating this offer IMO.

It's certainly likely that Giannis doesn't get dealt unless he wants to, but Banchero/Suggs/1st is as good an offer as any but the Holmgren/Jalen Williams/draft picks one from OKC if Milwaukee really feels they need to move him.

Unless they underperform in the playoffs, I'm skeptical the OKC offer gets made. Only 4 teams in the entire NBA even make the conference finals. If you have a very, very good young team playing at a really high level, breaking it up for a superstar with suspect knees, who's on the wrong side of 30, isn't the no brainer some folks in this thread think it is. Once you drill down on the fit with SGA and Giannis, I'm even more dubious.

[penbeast0]

Certainly not a no brainer even if they lose in the next round.

[Skybox]

Orlando owes more than this.
Also, I think another team will beat this offer.

I'm skeptical that this offer gets beat. I'd need to hear the specific name of the player on a rookie deal who's better than Paolo who is likely to be offered.

Ya - no one is beating this offer IMO.

I'd say no one is making this offer...even without Suggs, Paolo's upside, age and health make it a pretty tough sell. He'll be an All-Star every year and possibly an MVP candidate before too long (if you believe most of the natl. TV commentators getting a good look at him. He definitely needs refining, but the dude is 22! and absolutely has the icy demeanor of the great ones. ORL is chugging along and will hopefully refine their supporting cast and be relevant for a decade. Giannis is a straight up beast of a wrecking crew...but he's getting older and ORL's FO, for better or worse, is agonizingly patient and stubborn about playing out their vision. Suggs is NOT a throw-in.

On the other hand, Weltman had a hand in drafting Giannis (admittedly one of the great picks in history) so, maybe he's got a soft spot for him.

[tester551]

I'm skeptical that this offer gets beat. I'd need to hear the specific name of the player on a rookie deal who's better than Paolo who is likely to be offered.

Ya - no one is beating this offer IMO.

I'd say no one is making this offer...even without Suggs, Paolo's upside, age and health make it a pretty tough sell. He'll be an All-Star every year and possibly an MVP candidate before too long (if you believe most of the natl. TV commentators getting a good look at him. He definitely needs refining, but the dude is 22! and absolutely has the icy demeanor of the great ones. ORL is chugging along and will hopefully refine their supporting cast and be relevant for a decade. Giannis is a straight up beast of a wrecking crew...but he's getting older and ORL's FO, for better or worse, is agonizingly patient and stubborn about playing out their vision. Suggs is NOT a throw-in.

On the other hand, Weltman had a hand in drafting Giannis (admittedly one of the great picks in history) so, maybe he's got a soft spot for him.

I'm betting Houston goes all-in for Giannis.

Sengun, Sheppard, Whitmore, #9, '27 (best of PHX/BRK/HOU), '29 (best of PHX/DAL/HOU),

Sungun > Paolo
Sheppard + Whitmore < Suggs
#9 > #16
More picks >> nothing

[Ducklett]

Ya - no one is beating this offer IMO.

I'd say no one is making this offer...even without Suggs, Paolo's upside, age and health make it a pretty tough sell. He'll be an All-Star every year and possibly an MVP candidate before too long (if you believe most of the natl. TV commentators getting a good look at him. He definitely needs refining, but the dude is 22! and absolutely has the icy demeanor of the great ones. ORL is chugging along and will hopefully refine their supporting cast and be relevant for a decade. Giannis is a straight up beast of a wrecking crew...but he's getting older and ORL's FO, for better or worse, is agonizingly patient and stubborn about playing out their vision. Suggs is NOT a throw-in.

On the other hand, Weltman had a hand in drafting Giannis (admittedly one of the great picks in history) so, maybe he's got a soft spot for him.

I'm betting Houston goes all-in for Giannis.

Sengun, Sheppard, Whitmore, #9, '27 (best of PHX/BRK/HOU), '29 (best of PHX/DAL/HOU),

Sungun > Paolo
Sheppard + Whitmore < Suggs
#9 > #16
More picks >> nothing

That Rockets offer is better, but I can't agree with sengun being better than Paolo value wise.

[cjmcallist]

Ya - no one is beating this offer IMO.

It's certainly likely that Giannis doesn't get dealt unless he wants to, but Banchero/Suggs/1st is as good an offer as any but the Holmgren/Jalen Williams/draft picks one from OKC if Milwaukee really feels they need to move him.

Unless they underperform in the playoffs, I'm skeptical the OKC offer gets made. Only 4 teams in the entire NBA even make the conference finals. If you have a very, very good young team playing at a really high level, breaking it up for a superstar with suspect knees, who's on the wrong side of 30, isn't the no brainer some folks in this thread think it is. Once you drill down on the fit with SGA and Giannis, I'm even more dubious.

I've not yet seen an OKC fan make this offer and I would not give both Chet/Jalen for Giannis.

I do like the idea of Weltman going to get Giannis, but feels like ORL would still be a guard short.

[Skybox]

I'd say no one is making this offer...even without Suggs, Paolo's upside, age and health make it a pretty tough sell. He'll be an All-Star every year and possibly an MVP candidate before too long (if you believe most of the natl. TV commentators getting a good look at him. He definitely needs refining, but the dude is 22! and absolutely has the icy demeanor of the great ones. ORL is chugging along and will hopefully refine their supporting cast and be relevant for a decade. Giannis is a straight up beast of a wrecking crew...but he's getting older and ORL's FO, for better or worse, is agonizingly patient and stubborn about playing out their vision. Suggs is NOT a throw-in.

On the other hand, Weltman had a hand in drafting Giannis (admittedly one of the great picks in history) so, maybe he's got a soft spot for him.

I'm betting Houston goes all-in for Giannis.

Sengun, Sheppard, Whitmore, #9, '27 (best of PHX/BRK/HOU), '29 (best of PHX/DAL/HOU),

Sungun > Paolo
Sheppard + Whitmore < Suggs
#9 > #16
More picks >> nothing

That Rockets offer is better, but I can't agree with sengun being better than Paolo value wise.

I would be interested to see a vote in the general threads...I don't think it's close. Sengun is great, but...

[Texas Chuck]

I would value Sengun over Banchero. He's the better player and there is no age advantage and the contract advantage is just one year.

[Ducklett]

I would value Sengun over Banchero. He's the better player and there is no age advantage and the contract advantage is just one year.

I love Sengun, but I sincerely think you are off on this Chuck

[Texas Chuck]

I would value Sengun over Banchero. He's the better player and there is no age advantage and the contract advantage is just one year.

I love Sengun, but I sincerely think you are off on this Chuck

Of course, I know Sengun is an unusual player and offensive centers not named Jokic are generally not everyone's cup of tea -- see Sabonis talk for instance. Houston though has shown that you can still play elite defense around him, and he's just such a great offensive player. Not much doubt I don't think he's the better player of the two right now, right? Now Banchero not being a center, makes defensive issues less glaring, and obviously Orlando also manages to play elite defense around him. So projecting improvement, I could see how one thinks in terms of team building Banchero might be easier.

But for me, I'm taking Sengun. And feeling pretty darn good about it.

[giberish]

The relatively recent trade value rankings has Paolo at #8. I think that's a bit high, but it still shows that it's plausible to think that Paolo by himself gets you pretty close to Giannis and that Orlando can make a credible offer with Paolo plus secondary assets.

The general consensus has Sengun way lower in value so Houston has to add significant extras to make a credible deal. Of course with the Suns picks (#9 this year and future likely lottery picks) Houston has significant extras to offer.

[Skybox]

Getting Vuc-chills

[eyriq]

Orlando says no

[thelead]

Paolo, AB, and a few picks for Giannis? Yes. I need Suggs next to Giannis and Franz to contend.

[wemby]

Ya - no one is beating this offer IMO.

I'd say no one is making this offer...even without Suggs, Paolo's upside, age and health make it a pretty tough sell. He'll be an All-Star every year and possibly an MVP candidate before too long (if you believe most of the natl. TV commentators getting a good look at him. He definitely needs refining, but the dude is 22! and absolutely has the icy demeanor of the great ones. ORL is chugging along and will hopefully refine their supporting cast and be relevant for a decade. Giannis is a straight up beast of a wrecking crew...but he's getting older and ORL's FO, for better or worse, is agonizingly patient and stubborn about playing out their vision. Suggs is NOT a throw-in.

On the other hand, Weltman had a hand in drafting Giannis (admittedly one of the great picks in history) so, maybe he's got a soft spot for him.

I'm betting Houston goes all-in for Giannis.

Sengun, Sheppard, Whitmore, #9, '27 (best of PHX/BRK/HOU), '29 (best of PHX/DAL/HOU),

Sungun > Paolo
Sheppard + Whitmore < Suggs
#9 > #16
More picks >> nothing

I have Banchero >> Sengun and Suggs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheppard + Whitmore, but I'll concede the picks might make it closer. Still, Rockets should clearly be in position to make the strongest offer if they really want Giannis

[Magic_Johnny12]

Orlando says no

And rather quickly I might add.

[tmorgan]

Giannis and Franz is not an ideal batman and robin situation, tho. Neither shoots well enough from outside.

Talent-wise, Orlando should do this. But a team that can’t shoot worth a crap using a lot of its assets to acquire a superstar with one notable weakness — can’t shoot worth a crap — is an odd play.