ORL supporting cast makeover - with LAL, LAC, TOR

[Skybox]

#1...backcourt makeover
LAC sends: Bogdonavic, Dunn
ORL sends: KCP, CoJo (accept TO)
Why LAC: Bogdonavic's offensive contributions have been overshadowed by Powell's emergence. KCP is a much better 2-way fit next to "offensive system" Harden. Bogdonavic is a crafty vet but can't match KCP's athleticism and fierce defensive intensity. The step down in offensive versatility is a sensible compromise for LAC. Dunn is better than CoJo, but CoJo is more than capable of a bench vet PG role and saves LAC a few million.

#2...frontcourt makeover

ORL sends: Wendell Carter to LAL, Goga Bitadze to TOR, Isaac & #25 to MIL
ORL gets: Jakob Poeltl, Bobby Portis, Dalton Knecht

TOR sends: Jakob Poeltl to ORL, Ochai Agbaji to LAL
TOR gets: Goga Bitadze, Rui Hachimura,
Why: TOR drafts Maluach, turns Poeltl's deal into a competent, inexpensive C who can start until Maluach takes over and a versatile, heady PF. Losing Agbaji hurts, but TOR has a lot of depth at that spot...perhaps substitute Dick or Walter, if preferred. Barrett still can get minutes here too.

LAL sends: Rui Hachimura to TOR, Dalton Knecht to ORL
LAL gets: Wendell Carter, Ochai Agbaji
Why: LAL gets the C they need, who will flourish with Luka, Reaves, and LBJ's playmaking and space. Agbaji provides rock-solid 3&D depth.

MIL sends: Bobby Portis to ORL
MIL gets: Jonathan Isaac & #25 to MIL
Why: MIL is in a vulnerable position, they need to make changes that keep them fighting but also add future potential with frps. Isaac is only 27.

ORL resulting lineup...draft Thomas Sorber at #16 (or whoever slides)

Poeltl, Sorber, Portis
Paolo, Portis, Moe Wagner
Franz, Black, da Silva
Suggs, Black, Knecht
Bogdonavich, Dunn, Black

[ReggiesKnicks]

Trade#1: I don't see the incentive here for the Clippers. They need depth and I prefer Dunn to KCP and Bogdan to nothing.

Trade #2: Why will WCJ flourish next to Luka? He isn't a rim runner, isn't a strong rim protector and has shown a clear inconsistency with his shot through his career.

[Skybox]

Trade#1: I don't see the incentive here for the Clippers. They need depth and I prefer Dunn to KCP and Bogdan to nothing.

Trade #2: Why will WCJ flourish next to Luka? He isn't a rim runner, isn't a strong rim protector and has shown a clear inconsistency with his shot through his career.

#1...Yeah. I was thinking the D was the thing, especially with Bogi not really getting big minutes in LAC...I figured he might be extraneous for them. KCP can bring the defensive pressure at POA that can dictate the pace of the game. ORL is just thick with that kind of player and lacking Bogi's. Is there some draft equity that makes it work? I'd do it without the Dunn/CoJo swap, but I honestly thought that the KCP portion would be a win for LAC.

WCJ isn't a highlight-reel, above the rim, lob threat but he's absolutely a strong PnR finisher with soft hands. Same defensively, for a guy as thick and strong as he is, very few can switch out on the perimeter like he can. He's an excellent positional defender - but he rarely meets guys at the rim and sends it 10 rows back....he's more of a solid "denier" than a "screw up and save the day on a spectacular play" defender. He's averaged 10+ rpg in the past and will likely do so again on a physically-challenged team like LAL, particularly with his role and their needs so clearly defined.

Everyone on ORL spent much of the season shooting career lows from 3 - that's systemic. WCJ is not replacing Steph in the scoring hierarchy, but he is a very real threat to knock down uncontested 3's and nobody creates more quality shots for teammates than Luka. He's a threat that can hurt you if you ignore him-that's all....and that's all you should expect for the price. Very versatile and smart. Very strong. Has missed too many games with various small injuries and has spent too much time pump-faking instead of stepping in to open 3's with confidence. Not LA's next Kareem or Dwight, but he's solid.

[Godaddycurse]

pretty bad for Toronto. Downgrading our starting C for no good incentive. If we draft KM then he can come off the bench behind Poeltl. SImply no reason for us to do this, let alone giving away Agbaji too. Easy pass for me

[ReggiesKnicks]

Trade#1: I don't see the incentive here for the Clippers. They need depth and I prefer Dunn to KCP and Bogdan to nothing.

Trade #2: Why will WCJ flourish next to Luka? He isn't a rim runner, isn't a strong rim protector and has shown a clear inconsistency with his shot through his career.

#1...Yeah. I was thinking the D was the thing, especially with Bogi not really getting big minutes in LAC...I figured he might be extraneous for them. KCP can bring the defensive pressure at POA that can dictate the pace of the game. ORL is just thick with that kind of player and lacking Bogi's. Is there some draft equity that makes it work? I'd do it without the Dunn/CoJo swap, but I honestly thought that the KCP portion would be a win for LAC.

#16 should tip the scales, though I think #25 is fairer for both sides.

While Powell has emerged, he is still inconsistent and having two players who fill the gunner role (Powell and Bogdan) is incredibly valuable for a Harden/Kawhi/Zubac offense. The shooting can't be overstated, and I am sure as a Magic fan you can understand the value of shooting.

[Skybox]

Trade#1: I don't see the incentive here for the Clippers. They need depth and I prefer Dunn to KCP and Bogdan to nothing.

Trade #2: Why will WCJ flourish next to Luka? He isn't a rim runner, isn't a strong rim protector and has shown a clear inconsistency with his shot through his career.

#1...Yeah. I was thinking the D was the thing, especially with Bogi not really getting big minutes in LAC...I figured he might be extraneous for them. KCP can bring the defensive pressure at POA that can dictate the pace of the game. ORL is just thick with that kind of player and lacking Bogi's. Is there some draft equity that makes it work? I'd do it without the Dunn/CoJo swap, but I honestly thought that the KCP portion would be a win for LAC.

#16 should tip the scales, though I think #25 is fairer for both sides.

While Powell has emerged, he is still inconsistent and having two players who fill the gunner role (Powell and Bogdan) is incredibly valuable for a Harden/Kawhi/Zubac offense. The shooting can't be overstated, and I am sure as a Magic fan you can understand the value of shooting.

I'd be good with #25 and throw in Jett Howard, who maybe has a better time of it in LAC. Dude has a silky release and can put it on the floor. I really don't know what the issues are with him contributing in ORL...worst scenario, he's an expiring next year - so it's not a significant burden for LAC.

If LAC picks ORL homeboy Clayton at #25 and he ends up better than Bogi right away

[Mr Swagtastic]

No reason for Toronto to help Orlando or LA. Poeltl is better than Goga and I think it's a great mentor for Khaman I think Ochai for Rui is a wash maybe slight edge to Rui but the downgrade from Poeltl ti Goga isn't worth it.

[Skybox]

No reason for Toronto to help Orlando or LA. Poeltl is better than Goga and I think it's a great mentor for Khaman I think Ochai for Rui is a wash maybe slight edge to Rui but the downgrade from Poeltl ti Goga isn't worth it.

Fair enough but I was thinking that Maluach contributes immediately, even in a simple role...so Goga makes for a rock-solid backup before long as opposed to a $19m Poeltl. That investment is shifted to Rui at PF, which is kind of a thin group in TOR. Barnes is so versatile that Rui would give TOR the ability to go big in different ways...Ingram can slide down, etc.

Ochai is great, but TOR is deep there...sort of like ORL has Suggs, KCP, Black, AND Harris, who are all non-creators who play excellent defense and, generally, shoot 3's at a respectable %. Just figured it was a shifting from a position of abundance.

Certainly not asking for "help"

[Godaddycurse]

No reason for Toronto to help Orlando or LA. Poeltl is better than Goga and I think it's a great mentor for Khaman I think Ochai for Rui is a wash maybe slight edge to Rui but the downgrade from Poeltl ti Goga isn't worth it.

Fair enough but I was thinking that Maluach contributes immediately, even in a simple role...so Goga makes for a rock-solid backup before long as opposed to a $19m Poeltl. That investment is shifted to Rui at PF, which is kind of a thin group in TOR. Barnes is so versatile that Rui would give TOR the ability to go big in different ways...Ingram can slide down, etc.

Ochai is great, but TOR is deep there...sort of like ORL has Suggs, KCP, Black, AND Harris, who are all non-creators who play excellent defense and, generally, shoot 3's at a respectable %. Just figured it was a shifting from a position of abundance.

Certainly not asking for "help"

Malauch is not ready to start. He is pretty raw. Rui would be a back up forward for us. Not worth downgrading pur starting C

[Mr Swagtastic]

No reason for Toronto to help Orlando or LA. Poeltl is better than Goga and I think it's a great mentor for Khaman I think Ochai for Rui is a wash maybe slight edge to Rui but the downgrade from Poeltl ti Goga isn't worth it.

Fair enough but I was thinking that Maluach contributes immediately, even in a simple role...so Goga makes for a rock-solid backup before long as opposed to a $19m Poeltl. That investment is shifted to Rui at PF, which is kind of a thin group in TOR. Barnes is so versatile that Rui would give TOR the ability to go big in different ways...Ingram can slide down, etc.

Ochai is great, but TOR is deep there...sort of like ORL has Suggs, KCP, Black, AND Harris, who are all non-creators who play excellent defense and, generally, shoot 3's at a respectable %. Just figured it was a shifting from a position of abundance.

Certainly not asking for "help"

Malauch is not ready to start. He is pretty raw. Rui would be a back up forward for us. Not worth downgrading pur starting C

This is the point I am making. Maluach probably needs a year to become a starter and next year Toronto should be better with Ingram on the roster. I think Mogbo takes the backup PF spot on this team plus I rather have Agbaji making $7 million vs Rui making $18. It's just a move I can't see Toronto making

[jbk1234]

The Bucks should definitely be open to the Portis for Isaac and No. 25 swap, but Portis has a P.O.