Bos/Hou/Orl/Brk is this possible?

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Re: Bos/Hou/Orl/Brk is this possible? 

Post#21 » by MoreyWins » Sat May 3, 2025 4:23 pm

I'd rather keep Jabari and Fred on cost controlled deals than be foolish enough to pay Jaylen Brown or Jrue Holiday's salary.
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Re: Bos/Hou/Orl/Brk is this possible? 

Post#22 » by 165bows » Sat May 3, 2025 4:25 pm

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brackdan70 wrote:I think it could work on paper.
Houston becomes hard caped at the first apron for taking back more Salary, can they stay under with this move and filling out the roster? Boston hard capped at the second Apron for aggregation but I think that’s not a problem after the trade.
I think you need to specify which Orlando players ( some of those guys have decent value) and the assets involved. Even though they save a bunch of money Boston will want picks, and need to specify the assets going to Brooklyn.
I think if you could simplify and remove Brown from the equation it gets more realistic.

Something around Porzingis for Mo Wagner could solve a handful of issues for both teams. Boston sheds salary but maintains front court depth while Orlando gets some much needed offense and shooting.

Boston might need to move a little more money if they need to get under the second apron.

It doesn’t quite solve the tax reset though. But I like it.

Hauser/KP is an amazing get for Orlando but I’d want some thing real coming back. Should get them close enough iinm.
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Re: Bos/Hou/Orl/Brk is this possible? 

Post#23 » by K_chile22 » Sat May 3, 2025 4:58 pm

Not really interested in brown on his deal tbh, as Houston id try to simplify this to get get Jrue to start with Fred
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Re: Bos/Hou/Orl/Brk is this possible? 

Post#24 » by LarsV8 » Sat May 3, 2025 5:45 pm

Houston has a lot of talent, they will need to start locking down guys in a below market contracts to make things work long term.

Brown is not that.
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Post#25 » by Cricket23 » Sat May 3, 2025 6:30 pm

LarsV8 wrote:Houston has a lot of talent, they will need to start locking down guys in a below market contracts to make things work long term.

Brown is not that.


I understand what you're saying, but let me ask you, in your opinion would this trade improve your team? It's just for my curiosity.
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Post#26 » by MoreyWins » Sat May 3, 2025 6:44 pm

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LarsV8 wrote:Houston has a lot of talent, they will need to start locking down guys in a below market contracts to make things work long term.

Brown is not that.


I understand what you're saying, but let me ask you, in your opinion would this trade improve your team? It's just for my curiosity.

It's hard to say on paper. The Jabari-Sengun-Adams lineups are deadly and deserve way more runway to play minutes in the future. You can't really replicate that defensive look. Guys like Jabari don't grow on trees. My initial answer to your question might be no. The games we didn't have Jabari we looked like a completely different team. The defense and rebounding suffered greatly.
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Post#27 » by LarsV8 » Sat May 3, 2025 6:45 pm

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LarsV8 wrote:Houston has a lot of talent, they will need to start locking down guys in a below market contracts to make things work long term.

Brown is not that.


I understand what you're saying, but let me ask you, in your opinion would this trade improve your team? It's just for my curiosity.


Maybe incrementally, in the short team, but not enough to justify making the trade. Brown is getting worse for some reason, and significantly more expensive with his new deal. He looks like he is on the verge of being a really bad contract. This is not something I would take on. I thought Jrue said he was retiring.....

Lets have this colorful comparison

Brown - 28 yo
FG% - 46.3
TS% - 55.5
3pt% - 32.4
ws/48 - .115

Owed 236 million

Green - 23 yo
FG% - 42.3
TS% - 54.4
3pt% - 35.4
ws/48 - .092

Owed 106m

Do I want to give up FVV and JSJ for this?

No, I don't think so.
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Post#28 » by redslastlaugh » Sat May 3, 2025 6:52 pm

Yea, one might think Houston and Boston would be probably good trade partners, because the Celtics players (Jrue, JB) seem like they'd fit Ime's style and also be the ceiling raisers to push Houston over the top.
But ... the Celtics players have salaries a notch too large to really work for Houston
And then, the Rockets players that could plausibly come back to Boston aren't really a match for Celtics culture, budget or scheme ...

So while it superficially seems like such a natural fit that these teams could trade with each other, it ultimately seems that it's not gonna be a match. Houston imo would be better to take Brooks's salary and draft capital and go get a $20-25 million player.

MoreyWins wrote:I'd rather keep Jabari and Fred on cost controlled deals than be foolish enough to pay Jaylen Brown or Jrue Holiday's salary.
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Post#29 » by MoreyWins » Sat May 3, 2025 7:29 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Yea, one might think Houston and Boston would be probably good trade partners, because the Celtics players (Jrue, JB) seem like they'd fit Ime's style and also be the ceiling raisers to push Houston over the top.
But ... the Celtics players have salaries a notch too large to really work for Houston
And then, the Rockets players that could plausibly come back to Boston aren't really a match for Celtics culture, budget or scheme ...

So while it superficially seems like such a natural fit that these teams could trade with each other, it ultimately seems that it's not gonna be a match. Houston imo would be better to take Brooks's salary and draft capital and go get a $20-25 million player.

MoreyWins wrote:I'd rather keep Jabari and Fred on cost controlled deals than be foolish enough to pay Jaylen Brown or Jrue Holiday's salary.

I think the Rockets would be hard pressed to find a better player at that range than Dillon Brooks. He does everything Houston could ask from him, and a bit more. It's hard to find unselfish players that just want to play defense and win. Brooks doesn't really care much about his numbers or closing every single game. He and Ime are like soulmates.
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Post#30 » by Xman » Sat May 3, 2025 9:31 pm

JB next to Brooks and Amen would be amazing perimeter defense.
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Post#31 » by Cricket23 » Mon May 5, 2025 11:45 am

LarsV8 wrote:
Cricket23 wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:Houston has a lot of talent, they will need to start locking down guys in a below market contracts to make things work long term.

Brown is not that.


I understand what you're saying, but let me ask you, in your opinion would this trade improve your team? It's just for my curiosity.


Maybe incrementally, in the short team, but not enough to justify making the trade. Brown is getting worse for some reason, and significantly more expensive with his new deal. He looks like he is on the verge of being a really bad contract. This is not something I would take on. I thought Jrue said he was retiring.....

Lets have this colorful comparison

Brown - 28 yo
FG% - 46.3
TS% - 55.5
3pt% - 32.4
ws/48 - .115

Owed 236 million

Green - 23 yo
FG% - 42.3
TS% - 54.4
3pt% - 35.4
ws/48 - .092

Owed 106m

Do I want to give up FVV and JSJ for this?

No, I don't think so.


I'm not a scout obviously but I've seen every game of Brown's career and I think he's improving, a rough year from 3 not withstanding. The contract is high, of course, but it at least covers his prime. I'm not sure the point in posting those statistics? I'm not a stats guy as it is, but they are not comparable players. Also, the money is a bit misleading. You really have to look at it within the totality of the trade. Houston wouldn't just let the 3 players walk for nothing when their current contracts are up I would assume.
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Re: Bos/Hou/Orl/Brk is this possible? 

Post#32 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Mon May 5, 2025 1:49 pm

orlando_joe wrote:not sure why orlando wants green contract? and need is pg


This. Orlando rather KCP/Isaac > Green with all things considered.

Green isn’t a floor riser nor is the shooter people make him out to be. Orlando doesn’t need anymore inefficient chucking, they have enough of that already.

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