Clippers rebuilding simulation

[Sactown33]

Could Leonard be traded to the Kings for DDR/Murray/Carter..?

Whether you think the value is fine or not (I don’t), this is one of the worst possible moves the Kings could make at this point. Giving up 2 young players for an old, injury prone Kawhi would be a fireable offense.

The irony is that Sacramento literally just traded 2 younger players for an older, injury prone Lavine.

And before that they traded two younger players (and pick) for an older, past his prime Derozan.

And before that they traded their younger franchise player for an older established player.

So you can say what you want about the value, but this trade would be perfectly in line with what they have done in the past.

Clearly different circumstances with a GM that’s no longer there. They had 3 young PGs and traded one for an all-Star caliber center much younger than Leonard who didn’t have injury history. Then they had a player request a trade to one specific team, which lowered his value, but they still got draft capital back. Neither cases are relevant to the trade being proposed where they give up two young players to upgrade from DeRozan to Leonard. This might raise their ceiling to win the play in just so they can lose 0-4 in the first round. Doesn’t make any sense.

[Texas Chuck]

yes unless what happened before is the exact same you cannot find any parallels at all if I don't personally like an idea.

That's not how this works. The only thing that matters is the Kings have been willing to trade future value to increase their chances of being competitive now or the same idea behind a potential Kawhi trade.

I happen to agree with you that its a bad idea, but I won't pretend the Kings haven't done similar things recently because they absolutely have. And parsing it out in an attempt to be right isn't good analysis, its just reverse engineering to win a pointless argument.

[Sactown33]

Ah I see Mr Milchick (Mil-Chuck?) has arrived. Quite the balance of passive aggression and condescension there.

It might be solid analysis if you didn’t conflate finding parallels with making accurate comparisons. Good analysis requires examining nuance, not just identifying vague similarities. Suggesting the Kings might consider this trade because they’ve done something kind of, sort of, somewhat similar with a previous GM, despite the fact that the situations where different and this makes no sense for where the team is at or what they need, is an example of you bringing your personal bias into your analysis. To help you out, you might want to read up on confirmation bias, representativeness heuristic, or fundamental attribution error.

[Texas Chuck]

Ah I see Mr Milchick (Mil-Chuck?) has arrived. Quite the balance of passive aggression and condescension there.

It might be solid analysis if you didn’t conflate finding parallels with making accurate comparisons. Good analysis requires examining nuance, not just identifying vague similarities. Suggesting the Kings might consider this trade because they’ve done something kind of, sort of, somewhat similar with a previous GM, despite the fact that the situations where different and this makes no sense for where the team is at or what they need, is an example of you bringing your personal bias into your analysis. To help you out, you might want to read up on confirmation bias, representativeness heuristic, or fundamental attribution error.

LOL.

I have no dog in the fight. Even pointed out I didn't like the idea for the Kings. But yes they have traded futures for win now stuff so they might consider this. Might means they also might not.

I made no hard or fast claims, but someone did.....

No two trades are going to be the exact same, so if you want to start with a conclusion -- I hate this idea for the Kings--you can of course point out how the trades are different and stop there thinking analysis is complete. And because you don't like the idea at all, its totally fine to stop there. And I agree they are different. But they also do signal a willingness to try and improve the team in the short term. Which is the idea behind the proposed idea. But for others open to the idea, they need to look beyond the differences to also the similarities.

Thats it. To actually make the deal they need to first see if he can pass their medicals, get permission to speak with his team to make sure he's on board to come to the Kings, then can they match the salary and meet any further asset demands from the Clippers. Hard to get past all of that to actually make a deal.

Cheers mate.

[Sactown33]

I’m just messing you man, thanks for being a good sport. I was a little nervous when I hit send that it would read serious instead of sarcastic.

I agree though, they’ve made some terrible moves. This is just me hoping the new GM breaks the cycle and starts acting like a proper GM with an eye to the future instead of desperately trying to make playoffs, even by sacrificing a future. Vivek’s still the owner though, so the hope is probably misplaced.

[Texas Chuck]

I’m just messing you man, thanks for being a good sport. I was a little nervous when I hit send that it would read serious instead of sarcastic.
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Oh I'm always here for a rigorous discussion. We are good.

And don't talk to me about bad moves, your team may have passed on drafting Luka, but we are the fools who had him and then traded him....

[redslastlaugh]

What do Clippers even want at this point? You can't use your draft picks for a few years. James Harden will give you 5 to 10 reg season wins if he's healthy but you're going nowhere in the postseason with Harden going forward. So like what's the point, just spinning ur wheels for four straight seasons??

The best outcome for LAC would be if Harden opts out and leaves. Then LA will have the capspace to make a trade where they send out small money and receive a higher paid player from a team in the second apron penalty box.

Assuming James opts in, I'd honestly consider Harden + Bogdanovic for Bradley Beal and the #29 pick in the draft. Then you atleast can add a young player and just get off Harden... I don't know if Beal would waive his no trade but then you'd have 2 yrs of Kawhi and Beal and develop a couple young guys with Clippers strong coaching staff under Lue and JVG. Win 44 games next year and the next, play a few younger guys and then have big time capspace in 2027