What the Kings should do this offseason..

[BoogieTime]

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[codydaze]

Blazers have some assets to make a run at Sabonis if both sides want to tango

I honestly think Portland is the ideal place for him to land if we do end up moving him. I think you have the right kinds of pieces that would complement his game well.

would they have the right kinds of pieces to move the team forward on the court in a trade, given we are competing?

Well if Sabonis is moved, I would assume the plan at that point would be to rebuild. At least I hope it would. Not saying we move him but I would imagine the package to be something around Ayton, a young guy and picks. Maybe Sharpe as the young guy? Not sure who Portland would be willing to add. I'd probably prefer Grant/Clingan but imagine it's more likely to be for Ayton.

[Scoot McGroot]

Agreed. Murray' s a bad contract at this point. He's effectively out for next season (if back midseason he'll be at less than 100% recovering from a major injury) and he hasn't really been that good when healthy the past few years. Herb Jones is nice and on a good value contract but he's not worth multiple lottery picks.

Murray/Jones for filler is about right, depending on the filler. Even than I don't really like them as targets for Sacramento as they can just play Ellis more and get a lot of what Jones brings.

Feels like NO would be much better off to just sit on DJM and instead see what Herb could bring back on his own. Because I think he could bring a bunch back on his own. And I don't think NO has the wealth of resources to give up that value to move DJM for salary filler that won't make them better.

[BoogieTime]

I honestly think Portland is the ideal place for him to land if we do end up moving him. I think you have the right kinds of pieces that would complement his game well.

would they have the right kinds of pieces to move the team forward on the court in a trade, given we are competing?

Well if Sabonis is moved, I would assume the plan at that point would be to rebuild. At least I hope it would. Not saying we move him but I would imagine the package to be something around Ayton, a young guy and picks. Maybe Sharpe as the young guy? Not sure who Portland would be willing to add. I'd probably prefer Grant/Clingan but imagine it's more likely to be for Ayton.

Its documented we aren't rebuilding now, we'll see what happens in the future.. Is there a point of no return, given the pro competing voices of both the average kings fan and the owner? Things would have to be south over the long haul, but the team was just put together with a new coach

[codydaze]

would they have the right kinds of pieces to move the team forward on the court in a trade, given we are competing?

Well if Sabonis is moved, I would assume the plan at that point would be to rebuild. At least I hope it would. Not saying we move him but I would imagine the package to be something around Ayton, a young guy and picks. Maybe Sharpe as the young guy? Not sure who Portland would be willing to add. I'd probably prefer Grant/Clingan but imagine it's more likely to be for Ayton.

Its documented we aren't rebuilding now, we'll see what happens in the future.. Is there a point of no return, given the pro competing voices of both the average kings fan and the owner? Things would have to be south over the long haul, but the team was just put together with a new coach

What is the long haul though? If the Kings fall short of the playoffs again next year then how long of a leash are you expecting to give this roster? Next season Sabonis is 29, Lavine is 30 and Derozan is 36. The West is aging but so are we, there are only like three teams with a core older than ours in the conference (Denver who still has the best player in the world, Clippers who have an owner with deep pockets and a willingness to spend and the Warriors who will still have Steph). You can throw Dallas and Phoenix in there as well but we already finished above them in the standings this year so the point is kinda moot with them. Then you also have young teams like Portland and San Antonio who could very well pass us right on up with their youth continuing to develop.

Again, I understand the reporting has been we won't tear down, I just think it's a mistake. We have like a 2, maybe 3, year window of being a possible first round exit caliber team.

[SacKingZZZ]

Well if Sabonis is moved, I would assume the plan at that point would be to rebuild. At least I hope it would. Not saying we move him but I would imagine the package to be something around Ayton, a young guy and picks. Maybe Sharpe as the young guy? Not sure who Portland would be willing to add. I'd probably prefer Grant/Clingan but imagine it's more likely to be for Ayton.

Its documented we aren't rebuilding now, we'll see what happens in the future.. Is there a point of no return, given the pro competing voices of both the average kings fan and the owner? Things would have to be south over the long haul, but the team was just put together with a new coach

What is the long haul though? If the Kings fall short of the playoffs again next year then how long of a leash are you expecting to give this roster? Next season Sabonis is 29, Lavine is 30 and Derozan is 36. The West is aging but so are we, there are only like three teams with a core older than ours in the conference (Denver who still has the best player in the world, Clippers who have an owner with deep pockets and a willingness to spend and the Warriors who will still have Steph). You can throw Dallas and Phoenix in there as well but we already finished above them in the standings this year so the point is kinda moot with them. Then you also have young teams like Portland and San Antonio who could very well pass us right on up with their youth continuing to develop.

Again, I understand the reporting has been we won't tear down, I just think it's a mistake. We have like a 2, maybe 3, year window of being a possible first round exit caliber team.

We have to see what Domas does because he might end up wanting out this summer. It would be surprising to see DeMar on the roster heading into next season. If he does stay by the deadline next season if the Kings are a play in team this is getting blown the heck up. Even Vivek wouldn't keep going nowhere to that extent.

[codydaze]

Its documented we aren't rebuilding now, we'll see what happens in the future.. Is there a point of no return, given the pro competing voices of both the average kings fan and the owner? Things would have to be south over the long haul, but the team was just put together with a new coach

What is the long haul though? If the Kings fall short of the playoffs again next year then how long of a leash are you expecting to give this roster? Next season Sabonis is 29, Lavine is 30 and Derozan is 36. The West is aging but so are we, there are only like three teams with a core older than ours in the conference (Denver who still has the best player in the world, Clippers who have an owner with deep pockets and a willingness to spend and the Warriors who will still have Steph). You can throw Dallas and Phoenix in there as well but we already finished above them in the standings this year so the point is kinda moot with them. Then you also have young teams like Portland and San Antonio who could very well pass us right on up with their youth continuing to develop.

Again, I understand the reporting has been we won't tear down, I just think it's a mistake. We have like a 2, maybe 3, year window of being a possible first round exit caliber team.

We have to see what Domas does because he might end up wanting out this summer. It would be surprising to see DeMar on the roster heading into next season. If he does stay by the deadline next season if the Kings are a play in team this is getting blown the heck up. Even Vivek wouldn't keep going nowhere to that extent.

Yeah, I put the chances at slim to none that Derozan is still on the roster by the end of the summer. You just hope the piece you get in return is someone that fills a need, whether that be a point guard or wing depth that can play defense. I really hope we can get back a starting caliber 4 so we can move Keegan back to the 3 where he should be and give him a more consistent role on offense. I still have a lot of faith in Keegan even though I know a lot of the fanbase is really down on him.

[BoogieTime]

Well if Sabonis is moved, I would assume the plan at that point would be to rebuild. At least I hope it would. Not saying we move him but I would imagine the package to be something around Ayton, a young guy and picks. Maybe Sharpe as the young guy? Not sure who Portland would be willing to add. I'd probably prefer Grant/Clingan but imagine it's more likely to be for Ayton.

Its documented we aren't rebuilding now, we'll see what happens in the future.. Is there a point of no return, given the pro competing voices of both the average kings fan and the owner? Things would have to be south over the long haul, but the team was just put together with a new coach

What is the long haul though? If the Kings fall short of the playoffs again next year then how long of a leash are you expecting to give this roster? Next season Sabonis is 29, Lavine is 30 and Derozan is 36. The West is aging but so are we, there are only like three teams with a core older than ours in the conference (Denver who still has the best player in the world, Clippers who have an owner with deep pockets and a willingness to spend and the Warriors who will still have Steph). You can throw Dallas and Phoenix in there as well but we already finished above them in the standings this year so the point is kinda moot with them. Then you also have young teams like Portland and San Antonio who could very well pass us right on up with their youth continuing to develop.

Again, I understand the reporting has been we won't tear down, I just think it's a mistake. We have like a 2, maybe 3, year window of being a possible first round exit caliber team.

I think its just til this deadline... if it doesn't get off the ground with a full training camp and that amount of time I think it will become apparent to most

[Andre Roberstan]

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[Diop]

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[SNPA]

Does matter what they should do. What they will do is use use the two picks from the Fox trade, along with DDR (or Monk) to try and get a PG and PF. They don’t have any other way.

The only real question is will they also put Sac picks into a deal.

[drosestruts]

I said it when they were on the Bulls and I stick by it even now that they're on another team - LaVine and DeRozan are both very talented scorers that simply don't fit well together.

Sabonis is a good player.

Murray, Ellis, and to a lesser extent Carter provide the team with some interesting young players.

The Kings aren't as hopeless as people want to make them seem.

They are however an ill-fitting roster with a giant hole at the point guard spot.


4-team trade: Goal - get a point guard.

Sacramento in: Dejounte Murray
Sacramento out: DeMar DeRozan, Devin Carter, and SAS 2027 pick (top-10 protected)

Kings add a point guard in Murray who also happens to be friends and training partners with LaVine. They address their biggest need in a point guard, and hopefully get some built-in chemistry with the trade too.

Brooklyn in: PJ Washington, Dwight Powell, Jalen Hardey, and SAS 2017 1st (top-10 protected)
Brookyln out: cap space

Nets largely take on expiring deals keeping their future financial flexibility while getting a hands on look at younger player like Washington and Hardy. They also likely add an additional 2027 pick courtesy of the Kings.


Dallas in: DeMar DeRozan
Dalls out: PJ Washington, Dwight Powell, Jalen Hardey

Dallas is building a veteran team in an attempt to win now. DeRozan gives them another player capable of creating and making his own shots, who can also playmaker for others (been a while since DeRozan as had a vertical space like he'll have here) and get to the line (teams are gonna be in foul trouble playing against DeRozan, AD, and Irving).

Pelicans in: Devin Carter
Pelicans out: Dejounte Murray

Take on a young player and free up a lot of cap space while getting off Murray's deal.


From there I'd target a wing player with the MLE and roll with:

Murray/
LaVine/Monk
MLE/Ellis
Murray/Lyles/LaRavia
Sabonis/Valancunias

Try and fill out the roster with vet mind players who fit their talent.

[Texas Chuck]

Kings badly overpaying for Murray there and Washington getting treated as a salary dump makes no sense and is just removing value from the deal as Dallas or Sacramento would assign value to having him.

Nets just sucking value out of the deal. I get they don't want Washington but that first is already an overpay for eating 1/$4M in Powell and 2/$12M in Hardy. Giving them Washington to flip on top of that is silly.

I hate that for the Kings on value and fit, think Dallas would want to add DeRozan differently than using Washington. Pels and Nets do this super quickly though.

[LightTheBeam]

Kings badly overpaying for Murray there and Washington getting treated as a salary dump makes no sense and is just removing value from the deal as Dallas or Sacramento would assign value to having him.

Nets just sucking value out of the deal. I get they don't want Washington but that first is already an overpay for eating 1/$4M in Powell and 2/$12M in Hardy. Giving them Washington to flip on top of that is silly.

I hate that for the Kings on value and fit, think Dallas would want to add DeRozan differently than using Washington. Pels and Nets do this super quickly though.

I remember our convo from a little while ago. At the time you were okay with moving Naji in a deal for Demar, and preferred to hold PJ. Did the end of season change your mindset on including Naji?

[Texas Chuck]

Kings badly overpaying for Murray there and Washington getting treated as a salary dump makes no sense and is just removing value from the deal as Dallas or Sacramento would assign value to having him.

Nets just sucking value out of the deal. I get they don't want Washington but that first is already an overpay for eating 1/$4M in Powell and 2/$12M in Hardy. Giving them Washington to flip on top of that is silly.

I hate that for the Kings on value and fit, think Dallas would want to add DeRozan differently than using Washington. Pels and Nets do this super quickly though.

I remember our convo from a little while ago. At the time you were okay with moving Naji in a deal for Demar, and preferred to hold PJ. Did the end of season change your mindset on including Naji?

No, I would still include Marshall in a deal for DeRozan and would prefer to do that over Washington. But if Dallas was willing to do Washington for DeRozan I don't think the Kings would be cool with him just ending up in Brooklyn for free like that. They would want him.

[LightTheBeam]

Kings badly overpaying for Murray there and Washington getting treated as a salary dump makes no sense and is just removing value from the deal as Dallas or Sacramento would assign value to having him.

Nets just sucking value out of the deal. I get they don't want Washington but that first is already an overpay for eating 1/$4M in Powell and 2/$12M in Hardy. Giving them Washington to flip on top of that is silly.

I hate that for the Kings on value and fit, think Dallas would want to add DeRozan differently than using Washington. Pels and Nets do this super quickly though.

I remember our convo from a little while ago. At the time you were okay with moving Naji in a deal for Demar, and preferred to hold PJ. Did the end of season change your mindset on including Naji?

No, I would still include Marshall in a deal for DeRozan and would prefer to do that over Washington. But if Dallas was willing to do Washington for DeRozan I don't think the Kings would be cool with him just ending up in Brooklyn for free like that. They would want him.

Oh without a doubt, wasn't even referencing that trade. More so a direct deal involving Sac and Dallas. My main goal this summer is to make sure that very obvious trade gets done. I've seen a lot of different variations, wasn't sure at this point what Dallas fans preference was on that.