Jabari Smith Jr. & Tari Eason Contract Extensions?

[bbms]

today tari eason is worth something like 25 mm apy 4+ seasons.

jabari smith jr i suspect some team will sign a really bad contract

[LightTheBeam]

So they are definitely going to try and package
Jabari + Green + as many picks as possible to get one of Booker, Trae, Ja, etc..

I'd imagine the plan is to continue developing Tari + Amen + Sengun as the front court.

[gswhoops]

Jabari Smith Jr is going to get overpaid on potential, like Jalen Green did. Probably a bit less, but in that 25/30 million range. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't extend him in anticipation of a trade, though. Tari Eason should command somewhere in the 20/25 million range, probably the higher end of that range. Both are valuable assets if the Rockets decide to trade for a star.

Maybe its me, but I dont think Green got overpaid on potential; he arguable got overpaid to be a future trade chip. If they really believed he had the potential to be a legit #1 option, a 3 year extension really doesnt give them much upside before they'd have to do another deal at a lot higher amount, IF he became that. But what a 3 year deal does do is limit the downside that if he didn't get any better, its not a crippling deal. So sure, they probably paid him more than they would have wanted to, but if it keeps him happy-ish for the time being, thats a win. Because the real value in that extension was when it is time to trade for a star player, his deal will really help in salary matching while giving the acquiring team something they can try and justify and sell to their fans and the potential opportunity to do a cap sheet reset.

I don´t dispute that, but if he wasn´t a 2nd overall pick with high scoring upside (wildly overrated as far as I'm concerned), he would be seen as a negative and no one would take him as a trade chip without additional assets. Which goes back to my point, he got re-signed on potential, whether to keep or to move (because someone would still be willing to take the gamble).

Also, if he were overpaid, why would he be a trade chip?

He'd absolutely be seen as a negative in, for example, a Booker deal right now.

[bbms]

yeah green's contract reeks, that player option at the end of it... rockets got fleeced. it would be okay-ish if it rather was a team option.

[MoreyWins]

yeah green's contract reeks, that player option at the end of it... rockets got fleeced. it would be okay-ish if it rather was a team option.

It's a 2+1, it's not a 4+1. The contract is short. His intention is to decline the option for a massive raise that'll put him on a trajectory to make more money than his 2021 draft class partners. You don't have to be married to Jalen long-term if you don't want to. In two years if he does pick up his option, he becomes a very movable $36M expiring.

[Texas Chuck]

When players pick up their option year its because their agent lets them know the market is super soft. So while you might can move it, you can't move off all the money without attaching an asset. This is the Gary Trent Jr rule. Raps fans on this board did exactly what you are doing in hardselling a clearly flawed player not worth their contract ATM nor likely to be worth a huge new one despite them insisting the same thing you are now, that its a given.

You are selling a player option as if its a positive for the team but it never is.

Maybe he figures it out, but Houston is too good to wait. And will get too expensive to be carrying that kind of flawed player if he doesn't. I'd have getting off him now as something Houston likely looks at pretty hard. Or at least should.

[MoreyWins]

When players pick up their option year its because their agent lets them know the market is super soft. So while you might can move it, you can't move off all the money without attaching an asset. This is the Gary Trent Jr rule. Raps fans on this board did exactly what you are doing in hardselling a clearly flawed player not worth their contract ATM nor likely to be worth a huge new one despite them insisting the same thing you are now, that its a given.

You are selling a player option as if its a positive for the team but it never is.

Maybe he figures it out, but Houston is too good to wait. And will get too expensive to be carrying that kind of flawed player if he doesn't. I'd have getting off him now as something Houston likely looks at pretty hard. Or at least should.

When your scoring drops 4 points by the tail end of your contract, yeah it's going to be hard to move it.

[bbms]

yeah green's contract reeks, that player option at the end of it... rockets got fleeced. it would be okay-ish if it rather was a team option.

It's a 2+1, it's not a 4+1. The contract is short. His intention is to decline the option for a massive raise that'll put him on a trajectory to make more money than his 2021 draft class partners. You don't have to be married to Jalen long-term if you don't want to. In two years if he does pick up his option, he becomes a very movable $36M expiring.

that option is essentially an extra year for him if he can't improve. if it was 2x36 it would be great. 2x36+team option even better. 2x36+player option is terrible.

today green is worth around 20 apy tops. rockets are willing to pay 36 for his projection to improve (he's young with high ceiling). if the option is picked up is because market doesn't believe he's worth nearly that value. simple as that.

[bbms]

When players pick up their option year its because their agent lets them know the market is super soft. So while you might can move it, you can't move off all the money without attaching an asset. This is the Gary Trent Jr rule. Raps fans on this board did exactly what you are doing in hardselling a clearly flawed player not worth their contract ATM nor likely to be worth a huge new one despite them insisting the same thing you are now, that its a given.

You are selling a player option as if its a positive for the team but it never is.

Maybe he figures it out, but Houston is too good to wait. And will get too expensive to be carrying that kind of flawed player if he doesn't. I'd have getting off him now as something Houston likely looks at pretty hard. Or at least should.

When your scoring drops 4 points by the tail end of your contract, yeah it's going to be hard to move it.

sorry for making this comparison pal, but just silly comparisons:

tari eason: rookie deal - xRAPM: 3.5 (18th in the league, 96th percentile)
luguentz dort: 17m apy 3 years + team option - xRAPM: 0.9 (77th percentile)
alex caruso: 20m apy 4 years - xRAPM: 4.8 (5th in the league, 99th percentile)
amen thompson: rookie deal - xRAPM: 3.1 (28th in the league, 95th percentile)
aaron wiggins: 9m apy 5 years - xRAPM: 1.9 (88th percentile)
isaiah joe: 12m apy 3 years + team option - xRAPM : 1.8 (86th percentile)


jalen green: 35m apy 2 years = player otion - xRAPM: -2.5 (32th percentile). defensive xRAPM +2.6 (2nd percentile)

i get players like jalen green have a different vaue because they bring volume offense which has higher upside (when they are actually like, good, which is not the case), but there's a line you need to draw on where's value and where's speculation.

while the rockets will be putting 35m apy of their cap space on a speculative asset like green, thunder will be paying the same amount on dort, joe and wiggins which are all positive value on court in the same position.

jalen green's deal makes tons of sense for a guy like tari eason who brings elite impact but is not yet a high mpg guy, there's questions how much cap you should put on non scorers (amen thompson is a max no discussion). for a guy like jalen green not so much because you want better ways out of his deal.

yeah, jalen green fleeced the rockets front office, there's no doubt about that.