If the Pels keep Zion

[lordjeff05]

There have been some reports around pressure to trade Zion. We shall see if that actualyl happens. Im somewhat skeptical unless we get the first or second pick.

If we keep Z we need a point guard and depending how serious we are, a center. Assuming we dontget a top 3 pick, I propose the following after the draft lotto:

Pelicans trades Miami: CJ McCollum, Dejounte Murray, 2025 pick, 2026 MIL swap, 2027 MIL pick for Tyler Herro and Bam.

From Miami's perspective this is a great haul to begin a rebuild with a really good pick this year and Milwaukee's future picks. Given their destination, Miami might be able to turn this in to a Giannis package with some extra pieces. I think Ware is a great big to have next to Giannis, and Wiggins quietly had a decent year. If not, then they can start fresh with great draft capital.

For the Pels, Im a beliver in Bam's ability to anchor a top defense. Herro is a great scorer, and with the length and athleticism on the court his defensive shortcomings get minimized. Pels have a bench that works well with these pieces and finacially they stay in the same spot. They also keep their future picks if it doesnt work out.

[Texas Chuck]

I can't see Miami agreeing to that deal for such a light return. The player value is negative, you are only trading the pick this year if one of the elite prospects is unavailable and then one swap and pick that are only worth something if Giannis is traded? Seems pretty far off for Bam and Herro.

[wolves_89]

I doubt the Heat would trade Bam by himself for that value. Getting both Herro and Bam for that package seems pretty unrealistic.

[JRoy]

No reason for MIA to consider this.

[psman2]

Take out Herro and CJ and if the NOP lands at 4 then I think this is a good offer for Bam. Murray has a good chance to turn back into an asset next season. I just don't think Miami can pull the trigger to rebuild.

[BlazersBroncos]

I think if NO is picking 3 a simply offer of Murray + 3 for Bam makes sense.

[lordjeff05]

That's interesting, I guess I just think the Giannis trade is a foregone conclusion which seriously ups the value of the 2026 pick and the swap, and Miami with those assets and location could really be a contender to get Giannis in a way other teams that dont own the Bucks picks could not.

Is Herro for Cj and top 6th pick straight up a fair deal?

[Texas Chuck]

That's interesting, I guess I just think the Giannis trade is a foregone conclusion which seriously ups the value of the 2026 pick and the swap, and Miami with those assets and location could really be a contender to get Giannis in a way other teams that dont own the Bucks picks could not.

Is Herro for Cj and top 6th pick straight up a fair deal?

I think that's a dangerous assumption and one Miami would never make, right? They won't assign maybe value to those picks. Now if you can construct an offer for Giannis that works for the Bucks and Heat as part of this go for it, but what does Miami have left around Giannis? It can't be CJ and Murray, can it? That's far weaker than Bam/Herro.

[ReggiesKnicks]

This is incredibly light for Bam and Herro.

C.J. + 2026 MIL 1st + 2027 MIL Swap for Herro should have legs. Miami can now pursue Giannis.

[Godaddycurse]

Fyi you have to swap 2026 with better of yours or Milwaukee pick. Cant just trade the Milwaukee swap alone.

Similarly 2027 pick is better of yours/Milwaukee since you traded worse of to atlanta

[jayjaysee]

If NOP adds more value and Miami adds some and this gets Giannis to Miami? And Miami is able to trade something for another high level starter to go with Ware, Giannis, Wiggins, DJM? Meh?

But id have the OP is short 1-2 firsts if we are assigning some value to DJM. 2-3 firsts if Murray has no value at the moment (don’t think he should have value)

[jbk1234]

I think we just witnessed the limitations of Herro as a starting PG. If you're going to trade all that for a PG, you should make sure you're actually getting one and not a SG playing out of position.

[Texas Chuck]

I think we just witnessed the limitations of Herro as a starting PG. If you're going to trade all that for a PG, you should make sure you're actually getting one and not a SG playing out of position.

Did we see that? Or did we see a 8th seed get beat by a much better team? In a series where despite the culture that team clearly quit. I think judging him on 4 games his team had no chance to succeed in post-Butler would be short-sighted at absolute best.

Cleveland didn't panic after getting absolutely steamrolled by Boston last year in the playoffs and conclude Garland couldn't be their PG after a series far worse than what Herro just had. And rightfully so. Even had he played great, they weren't beating that Boston team. Nobody was.

[lordjeff05]

That's interesting, I guess I just think the Giannis trade is a foregone conclusion which seriously ups the value of the 2026 pick and the swap, and Miami with those assets and location could really be a contender to get Giannis in a way other teams that dont own the Bucks picks could not.

Is Herro for Cj and top 6th pick straight up a fair deal?

I think that's a dangerous assumption and one Miami would never make, right? They won't assign maybe value to those picks. Now if you can construct an offer for Giannis that works for the Bucks and Heat as part of this go for it, but what does Miami have left around Giannis? It can't be CJ and Murray, can it? That's far weaker than Bam/Herro.

Yeah I guess the caveat would be that Giannis is willing/requesting to make a move. As far as what Giannis would have around him, it would be Ware, Wiggins, CJ and Dejounte (eventually) which is less than Bam/Herro but you cant keep them and get Giannis so that's kind of irrelevant. I think those pieces fit pretty well around him, but can't say for sure if the vision would work for everybody.

If Im Milwaukee I think a package that gets me my picks back has more value than the other packages because its the only way to control your destiny.

[ChettheJet]

MIA isn't trading their two best players to spend 4 years rebuilding. Does anybody really think Zion would fit into Heat Culture? Give me a break. Riley would rather get a pick in the 20's to draft a role player who gives them 16 minutes a game as a rookie and becomes something more like Jacquez, Highsmith and Ware. They free up space moving on from Rozier and Robinson.

I could see NOP looking at the expiring Nikola Vucevic to split time with Missi. Iike a lot of trades it would have to be a three or more team thing because the Bulls sure don't want to end up with CJ, they just spent a lot of time trading Lavine.

[jbk1234]

I think we just witnessed the limitations of Herro as a starting PG. If you're going to trade all that for a PG, you should make sure you're actually getting one and not a SG playing out of position.

Did we see that? Or did we see a 8th seed get beat by a much better team? In a series where despite the culture that team clearly quit. I think judging him on 4 games his team had no chance to succeed in post-Butler would be short-sighted at absolute best.

Cleveland didn't panic after getting absolutely steamrolled by Boston last year in the playoffs and conclude Garland couldn't be their PG after a series far worse than what Herro just had. And rightfully so. Even had he played great, they weren't beating that Boston team. Nobody was.

I don't believe that Garland had a far worse series than Herro just had. The Cavs were also down two starters.

In any event, I didn't realize that Herro isn't a PG was a controversial opinion even among Heat fans. He's not. You can play him there, but lacks the requisite skill set. If the goal is to pair Zion with a good PG, this trade doesn't accomplish that.

[VaDe255]

I think we just witnessed the limitations of Herro as a starting PG. If you're going to trade all that for a PG, you should make sure you're actually getting one and not a SG playing out of position.

Did we see that? Or did we see a 8th seed get beat by a much better team? In a series where despite the culture that team clearly quit. I think judging him on 4 games his team had no chance to succeed in post-Butler would be short-sighted at absolute best.

Cleveland didn't panic after getting absolutely steamrolled by Boston last year in the playoffs and conclude Garland couldn't be their PG after a series far worse than what Herro just had. And rightfully so. Even had he played great, they weren't beating that Boston team. Nobody was.

I don't believe that Garland had a far worse series than Herro just had. The Cavs were also down two starters.

In any event, I didn't realize that Herro isn't a PG was a controversial opinion even among Heat fans. He's not. You can play him there, but lacks the requisite skill set. If the goal is to pair Zion with a good PG, this trade doesn't accomplish that.

You’re not wrong that Herro’s not a traditional PG. It’s more about whether he’s developed into a functional lead guard and this year he made real strides in that direction.

Herro averaged 5.5 APG (the number is 6+ since Jimmy was gone) with a 2.11 AST/TO ratio and a 26% assist rate. He ran PnR at a high volume and was solid in drive and kick reads. He’s not going to orchestrate like Haliburton or CP3, but he can initiate, especially if your have another playmaker like Zion.

The better way to frame Herro is: he’s a combo guard trending toward full time on ball capability, and while he’s not “your PG of the future,” he could be your primary offensive guard if the system supports it.