Chicago Beals

[Texas Chuck]

Forgive me the terrible title

Beal


for

Vucevic*
Ball
Williams

Obviously the main hurdle is Beal. The hope is he doesn't really want to be in Phoenix where he is clearly unwanted and Chicago can sell him all the shots he wants towards maybe still being an MLE player after this deal is up.

Chicago converts the last 2 years of Williams into one lump sum in 26-27 a year they still figure to be terrible.

Suns turn an extra SG into a center to share the role with Richards, an injury-prone PG, but who fits perfectly with what they need if he can stay healthy, and Williams who at least gives them some defense/spacing. Depth makes a little more sense and gives them a lot more flexibility in a Durant return with some needs filled. Sheds some salary towards getting under the 2nd apron

* Could add in 29 and change Vuc out for Smith/Ayo which I honestly like for both sides, but I know some of our Bulls fans are high on these guys so kept it simple

[Godaddycurse]

Beal is owed 110M while Williams is owed 72M. Vuc and Ball chicago can get value elsewhere. I dont think Chicago entertains this. They want to be FA players in 2026 offseason and this takes up 40M of their capspace

[Texas Chuck]

. They want to be FA players in 2026 offseason and this takes up 40M of their capspace

I didn't know this. I look at their current roster and they have maybe 1 player who could be part of a new core. So I wouldn't have them ready to add in veteran free agents next summer. Now granted I know this is Chicago and they like to play for 10th, but I thought with dealing LaVine and helping DeRozan get to Sacramento that they were finally seeing the light.

And yes I know the total is different, but you are discounting Vuc and Ball which makes the money roughly even and I'd rather pay out the $50M in one year than over 3.

And what kind of value do you think Vuc and Ball have. I priced them here as neutral. Vuc might still be worth his money next year, but he's not the kind of center in high demand and Ball's injury concerns makes me question who is giving value for him.

Or maybe it needs 29? I had it in originally, but then thought no it wasn't needed.

[Godaddycurse]

. They want to be FA players in 2026 offseason and this takes up 40M of their capspace

I didn't know this. I look at their current roster and they have maybe 1 player who could be part of a new core. So I wouldn't have them ready to add in veteran free agents next summer. Now granted I know this is Chicago and they like to play for 10th, but I thought with dealing LaVine and helping DeRozan get to Sacramento that they were finally seeing the light.

And yes I know the total is different, but you are discounting Vuc and Ball which makes the money roughly even and I'd rather pay out the $50M in one year than over 3.

And what kind of value do you think Vuc and Ball have. I priced them here as neutral. Vuc might still be worth his money next year, but he's not the kind of center in high demand and Ball's injury concerns makes me question who is giving value for him.

Or maybe it needs 29? I had it in originally, but then thought no it wasn't needed.

Charlotte fan(s) offered nurkic and 34 for Vuc. Ball i think can fetch useless expiring and 2nds. Should send those useless expirings to phoenix and value to Chicago then. Or just send 29 as you said.

But i think Bulls prefer capspace/flexibility. There could be some interesting offer sheet targets

[Texas Chuck]

Well Phoenix doesn't want useless expiring, right? They need guys who can play rotation minutes for them.

And they might prefer the extra cap space in 26, for sure. I just disagree with your math and your valuations of Ball.

[jredsaz]

. They want to be FA players in 2026 offseason and this takes up 40M of their capspace

I didn't know this. I look at their current roster and they have maybe 1 player who could be part of a new core. So I wouldn't have them ready to add in veteran free agents next summer. Now granted I know this is Chicago and they like to play for 10th, but I thought with dealing LaVine and helping DeRozan get to Sacramento that they were finally seeing the light.

And yes I know the total is different, but you are discounting Vuc and Ball which makes the money roughly even and I'd rather pay out the $50M in one year than over 3.

And what kind of value do you think Vuc and Ball have. I priced them here as neutral. Vuc might still be worth his money next year, but he's not the kind of center in high demand and Ball's injury concerns makes me question who is giving value for him.

Or maybe it needs 29? I had it in originally, but then thought no it wasn't needed.

This is like one of maybe three teams I would give any chance of making a Beal move. If all it took was #29 and Williams bad contract to move Beal I’d be all for it. That makes me think this might be light for Chicago. I think Ball and Vuc are intriguing. Also like Smith and Ayo. However, I’m not sure how much value there is for any of those players.

[jredsaz]

. They want to be FA players in 2026 offseason and this takes up 40M of their capspace

I didn't know this. I look at their current roster and they have maybe 1 player who could be part of a new core. So I wouldn't have them ready to add in veteran free agents next summer. Now granted I know this is Chicago and they like to play for 10th, but I thought with dealing LaVine and helping DeRozan get to Sacramento that they were finally seeing the light.

And yes I know the total is different, but you are discounting Vuc and Ball which makes the money roughly even and I'd rather pay out the $50M in one year than over 3.

And what kind of value do you think Vuc and Ball have. I priced them here as neutral. Vuc might still be worth his money next year, but he's not the kind of center in high demand and Ball's injury concerns makes me question who is giving value for him.

Or maybe it needs 29? I had it in originally, but then thought no it wasn't needed.

Charlotte fan(s) offered nurkic and 34 for Vuc. Ball i think can fetch useless expiring and 2nds. Should send those useless expirings to phoenix and value to Chicago then. Or just send 29 as you said.

But i think Bulls prefer capspace/flexibility. There could be some interesting offer sheet targets

First, I think #29 would have to be involved. Second, Bulls should still have plenty of space, even with Beal, to cause some havoc in ‘26 FA

[Godaddycurse]

I didn't know this. I look at their current roster and they have maybe 1 player who could be part of a new core. So I wouldn't have them ready to add in veteran free agents next summer. Now granted I know this is Chicago and they like to play for 10th, but I thought with dealing LaVine and helping DeRozan get to Sacramento that they were finally seeing the light.

And yes I know the total is different, but you are discounting Vuc and Ball which makes the money roughly even and I'd rather pay out the $50M in one year than over 3.

And what kind of value do you think Vuc and Ball have. I priced them here as neutral. Vuc might still be worth his money next year, but he's not the kind of center in high demand and Ball's injury concerns makes me question who is giving value for him.

Or maybe it needs 29? I had it in originally, but then thought no it wasn't needed.

Charlotte fan(s) offered nurkic and 34 for Vuc. Ball i think can fetch useless expiring and 2nds. Should send those useless expirings to phoenix and value to Chicago then. Or just send 29 as you said.

But i think Bulls prefer capspace/flexibility. There could be some interesting offer sheet targets

First, I think #29 would have to be involved. Second, Bulls should still have plenty of space, even with Beal, to cause some havoc in ‘26 FA

They wont if they keep white and Giddey too

[jredsaz]

. They want to be FA players in 2026 offseason and this takes up 40M of their capspace

I didn't know this. I look at their current roster and they have maybe 1 player who could be part of a new core. So I wouldn't have them ready to add in veteran free agents next summer. Now granted I know this is Chicago and they like to play for 10th, but I thought with dealing LaVine and helping DeRozan get to Sacramento that they were finally seeing the light.

And yes I know the total is different, but you are discounting Vuc and Ball which makes the money roughly even and I'd rather pay out the $50M in one year than over 3.

And what kind of value do you think Vuc and Ball have. I priced them here as neutral. Vuc might still be worth his money next year, but he's not the kind of center in high demand and Ball's injury concerns makes me question who is giving value for him.

Or maybe it needs 29? I had it in originally, but then thought no it wasn't needed.

This is like one of maybe three teams I would give any chance of making a Beal move. If all it took was #29 and Williams bad contract to move Beal I’d be all for it. That makes me think this might be light for Chicago. I think Ball and Vuc are intriguing. Also like Smith and Ayo. However, I’m not sure how much value there is for any of those players.

Honestly, the cap should be somewhere around $185M? They’d have around $85M on the books. They should still have room.

I would also speculate that brining Beal would give them room to move Coby for some value.

[letsgobulls23]

So for CHI this is just to get off Pat's final year of salary? Not a fan if that's the case. I'd rather hope they can get a decent 2nd for Vuc or something. And I'd assume CHI views Lonzo as a valuable player (when healthy), which is why they extended him in Feb.

[Texas Chuck]

So for CHI this is just to get off Pat's final year of salary? Not a fan if that's the case. I'd rather hope they can get a decent 2nd for Vuc or something. And I'd assume CHI views Lonzo as a valuable player (when healthy), which is why they extended him in Feb.

Final 2 years.

And yeah its clear Chicago was due some more incentive and I missed on value.

[ChettheJet]

Look at the trouble the Bulls had trading Lavine and you want them to take on a different, maybe unhappy, less effective even larger contract. No

For all the hate directed at Patrick Williams after his worst season, he still wasn't unplayable, still managed 35% from 3, highest year with 2,0 apg which tells me he was a willing passer in an offense that moved the ball, Unless you can prove there's no way he bounces back to maybe advance his 25mpg I'm not throwing him on the trash heap.

An expiring Vucevic should be an asset to get at least potential for the future not reliving 7 years ago with Beal. I think all the people who think the Bulls resigned Lonzo Ball so they could trade his $10 are going to find out they are every wrong. Just like those who apparently from the outside saw Jalen Smith sitting a lot near the end of the season as him being junk to the Bulls but I still see Vucevic moving on and Collins and Smith being the answer. If Dosunmu gets traded it will be somewhere that sees him with a future role after being resigned.

[drosestruts]

I don't think it's a quick no or anything - you have the Beal/Donovan Florida connection. I do think Beal is one of those overpaid veterans who was in a poor spot and that Chicago would allow him to play more to his strengths than he can in Phoenix where there's players who do similar things better.

But nearly every move Chicago made over the past year was for younger players - this would be a hard pivot for Beal alone, and I'm not sure what picks Phoenix could offer to better close the gap without flipping the value wrong the other way.

[Skybox]

Forgive me the terrible title

Beal


for

Vucevic*
Ball
Williams

Obviously the main hurdle is Beal. The hope is he doesn't really want to be in Phoenix where he is clearly unwanted and Chicago can sell him all the shots he wants towards maybe still being an MLE player after this deal is up.

Chicago converts the last 2 years of Williams into one lump sum in 26-27 a year they still figure to be terrible.

Suns turn an extra SG into a center to share the role with Richards, an injury-prone PG, but who fits perfectly with what they need if he can stay healthy, and Williams who at least gives them some defense/spacing. Depth makes a little more sense and gives them a lot more flexibility in a Durant return with some needs filled. Sheds some salary towards getting under the 2nd apron

* Could add in 29 and change Vuc out for Smith/Ayo which I honestly like for both sides, but I know some of our Bulls fans are high on these guys so kept it simple

so, after you fight through all the CPA's and lawyers and Beal deems to "bless" CHI with his permission...you finally remember that...he's not really that good or reliable and you've just signed on for two more years of his salary equating to a third of the cap when you're finally turning a corner in your rebuild.

I'd rather have 15 minutes per game of Lonzo Ball than Beal if I'm trying to get Giddey and Matas to grow up playing the right way...Ball might even make PatWill look good.

I've wrestled with Beal ideas quite a bit and it always comes back to "why am I even working so hard for this guy - he's an albatross"

[Texas Chuck]

I mean the idea is Chicago hasn't even started a rebuild. I don't understand your take that they have already turned the corner.

There are problems with the idea, but not Chicago is too far along in a rebuild lol.

[Skybox]

I mean the idea is Chicago hasn't even started a rebuild. I don't understand your take that they have already turned the corner.

There are problems with the idea, but not Chicago is too far along in a rebuild lol.

CHI has hit bottom, unloaded their bad vet baggage and, most significantly, unlocked Giddey and drafted Matas...we might be talking about different corners but you'd have to be blind to not see progress...now you want to trade for a smaller, less reliable, less formidable Lavine?

...that's the LOL

[dremill24]

There is nothing about Chicago's habits over the last 10 years to make me believe they would NOT consider acquiring someone like Beal, especially for a low enough price. Maybe they ultimately decide he isnt the right guy, but its the type of thing that is certainly up their alley (to the rightful frustration of most).

Maybe the outgoing package would have to be different, but without any other max deals on the books and a lack of demonstrated resistance to the siren's song of mediocrity, I dont think Beal to Chicago is crazy at all.

[Texas Chuck]

I mean the idea is Chicago hasn't even started a rebuild. I don't understand your take that they have already turned the corner.

There are problems with the idea, but not Chicago is too far along in a rebuild lol.

CHI has hit bottom, unloaded their bad vet baggage and, most significantly, unlocked Giddey and drafted Matas...we might be talking about different corners but you'd have to be blind to not see progress...now you want to trade for a smaller, less reliable, less formidable Lavine?

...that's the LOL

I don't believe I am selling the deal on them wanting Beal. I am preferring this salary outlay: $50M/$50M and done over $50M/$18m/$18M/18M.

The idea is to eat the Williams mistake contract all in one fell swoop rather than having it sitting on the books for two more years.

Again, I accept I owe Chicago value, but the idea is financial not oh boy Bradley Beal lol

[jbk1234]

Well Phoenix doesn't want useless expiring, right? They need guys who can play rotation minutes for them.

And they might prefer the extra cap space in 26, for sure. I just disagree with your math and your valuations of Ball.

Ball's contract is $10M per for two seasons. If he can stay healthy, that's team-friendly, and if not, it's pretty easy to move in another trade.