[LAL - ORL - TOR - BRK] WCJ to TOR, Jak to LAL

[babyjax13]

No need for Toronto to be here. Poeltl is better than WCJ and RJ has more value than Cole Anthony and Tyrese Martin. I don't see Toronto doing this after acquiring Ingram. They are trying to make the playoffs at a bare minimum. This deal doesn't scream playoffs with that roster.

I think Martin is far more valuable than RJ. Same with Cole. Why? Because after next season Toronto wouldn't have to pay them 30 million.

So they are more valuable than every player going into FA this year as well. Your logic is extremely flawed

No, they are just more valuable than RJ because he is worth maaaaaybe 2/3rds of what he is paid.

[babyjax13]

No need for Toronto to be here. Poeltl is better than WCJ and RJ has more value than Cole Anthony and Tyrese Martin. I don't see Toronto doing this after acquiring Ingram. They are trying to make the playoffs at a bare minimum. This deal doesn't scream playoffs with that roster.

I think Martin is far more valuable than RJ. Same with Cole. Why? Because after next season Toronto wouldn't have to pay them 30 million.

By that logic those duo are more valuable than Lauri because you dont have to pay them 40M.

Clearly RJ is the better player on court and that matters more for a team whose aiming to make playoffs.

Fwiw I think there was a RJ thread where people offered expirings without needing extra incentives involved?

The point here should be obvious, I'm saying RJ isn't worth his contract (not by a long shot) and therefor these expiring players are more valuable. I think Lauri is worth what we paid him, but others reasonably disagree based on last season. But I'd rather have Tyrese Martin making 2 million for a season than RJ making 27 and 29 million the next two. Similarly I'd rather have Cole Anthony for one season at 13 million (still overpaid) than RJ at what he is paid. I'd be reasonably happy with RJ at 18-20 million, but I think that 8-10 million per year for two seasons he is overpaid is pretty consequential.

[Skybox]

No need for Toronto to be here. Poeltl is better than WCJ and RJ has more value than Cole Anthony and Tyrese Martin. I don't see Toronto doing this after acquiring Ingram. They are trying to make the playoffs at a bare minimum. This deal doesn't scream playoffs with that roster.

I think Martin is far more valuable than RJ. Same with Cole. Why? Because after next season Toronto wouldn't have to pay them 30 million.

So they are more valuable than every player going into FA this year as well. Your logic is extremely flawed

No…just redundant negative value ones that are not needed for that team. RJ is a talent, so is KCP…both are redundant overpays by their teams that might require draft or prospect equity to move. Grabbing a few extra wins with RJ is just wasting a year, even if unloading him is a temporary step backward (or forward in the lottery). ORL just basically wasted a year by signing the wrong guy, wasting a summer of tremendous cap space opportunity, and ending up right where they were a year ago…but now having only trades including picks as an option for serious upgrades.

When I propose WCJ+ for Poeltl, I understand Poeltl is a better player…but TOR may be moving in a different direction. WCJ offers savings and far more versatility moving forward if Masai drafts Maluach. Clinging to good but now redundant and ridiculously overpaid talent like RJ is just delaying the big step forward.

[Godaddycurse]

I think Martin is far more valuable than RJ. Same with Cole. Why? Because after next season Toronto wouldn't have to pay them 30 million.

By that logic those duo are more valuable than Lauri because you dont have to pay them 40M.

Clearly RJ is the better player on court and that matters more for a team whose aiming to make playoffs.

Fwiw I think there was a RJ thread where people offered expirings without needing extra incentives involved?

The point here should be obvious, I'm saying RJ isn't worth his contract (not by a long shot) and therefor these expiring players are more valuable. I think Lauri is worth what we paid him, but others reasonably disagree based on last season. But I'd rather have Tyrese Martin making 2 million for a season than RJ making 27 and 29 million the next two. Similarly I'd rather have Cole Anthony for one season at 13 million (still overpaid) than RJ at what he is paid. I'd be reasonably happy with RJ at 18-20 million, but I think that 8-10 million per year for two seasons he is overpaid is pretty consequential.

Yea but its like tobias Harris on the Sixers, overpaid sure but still is more useful for winning than trade returns available. We are not in the tax (barring jump in lottery) so that 8/10M doesnt matter that much. He is still young and improving somewhat.

You might be right that hes a square trying to fit in a circle next to iq/ingram/barnes but we will cross that bridge later during next season.

[cgf]

Wait, why is orlando giving WCJ away and if they are, can we have him? lol

Neither Vincent nor Anthony should be in Orlando's rotation next year, and they can get more use out of the WSH SRPs than Knecht...they already have Houstan to sit on their bench in the playoffs.

[mademan]

I think Martin is far more valuable than RJ. Same with Cole. Why? Because after next season Toronto wouldn't have to pay them 30 million.

So they are more valuable than every player going into FA this year as well. Your logic is extremely flawed

No…just redundant negative value ones that are not needed for that team. RJ is a talent, so is KCP…both are redundant overpays by their teams that might require draft or prospect equity to move. Grabbing a few extra wins with RJ is just wasting a year, even if unloading him is a temporary step backward (or forward in the lottery). ORL just basically wasted a year by signing the wrong guy, wasting a summer of tremendous cap space opportunity, and ending up right where they were a year ago…but now having only trades including picks as an option for serious upgrades.

When I propose WCJ+ for Poeltl, I understand Poeltl is a better player…but TOR may be moving in a different direction. WCJ offers savings and far more versatility moving forward if Masai drafts Maluach. Clinging to good but now redundant and ridiculously overpaid talent like RJ is just delaying the big step forward.

The overpaid talent isnt stopping us from doing anything we want. I dont mind trading Poeltl or RJ, but i wouldnt pay to dump RJ and i wouldnt use RJ to dilute the assets we would receive for Jakob. We're not that expensive of a team and if we end up in the tax it will be only slightly and we can work around the edges to get out. Raps arent in a place to make trades based on finances

[Tripod]

This is clearly a trade set out to help LA and ignore other teams needs.

Raps will look to re-sign Yak, not trade him. They need ANOTHER C, not a swap out.

[babyjax13]

This is clearly a trade set out to help LA and ignore other teams needs.

Raps will look to re-sign Yak, not trade him. They need ANOTHER C, not a swap out.

I'll stand by my position that Toronto has spacing issues and WCJ would be a better fit as a starting center than Jak even though Poeltl is a better overall player.

RE the other stuff - weird. Sometimes trades are misses, I'm fine with that and enjoy learning more about what teams need. Sometimes I disagree with those needs, certainly in this case I disagree with the idea that Poeltl is better for Toronto than WCJ, but it is clear the RJ inclusion didn't work.

[Tripod]

This is clearly a trade set out to help LA and ignore other teams needs.

Raps will look to re-sign Yak, not trade him. They need ANOTHER C, not a swap out.

I'll stand by my position that Toronto has spacing issues and WCJ would be a better fit as a starting center than Jak even though Poeltl is a better overall player.

RE the other stuff - weird. Sometimes trades are misses, I'm fine with that and enjoy learning more about what teams need. Sometimes I disagree with those needs, certainly in this case I disagree with the idea that Poeltl is better for Toronto than WCJ, but it is clear the RJ inclusion didn't work.

Maybe we actually see what the team can actually do given that they were riddled with injuries, intentionally sat people, and BI has yet to play a game for them.

Plus Darkos system runs a ton of plays thru the C at the high post and Yak is a very good decision maker. WCJ, not so sure.

Most Raps fans would just rather trade a SG since they have lots, for a a backup C to balance the roster better. No need to swap out their starting C they really like for another...and yeah, move their leading scorer along the way.

[babyjax13]

This is clearly a trade set out to help LA and ignore other teams needs.

Raps will look to re-sign Yak, not trade him. They need ANOTHER C, not a swap out.

I'll stand by my position that Toronto has spacing issues and WCJ would be a better fit as a starting center than Jak even though Poeltl is a better overall player.

RE the other stuff - weird. Sometimes trades are misses, I'm fine with that and enjoy learning more about what teams need. Sometimes I disagree with those needs, certainly in this case I disagree with the idea that Poeltl is better for Toronto than WCJ, but it is clear the RJ inclusion didn't work.

Maybe we actually see what the team can actually do given that they were riddled with injuries, intentionally sat people, and BI has yet to play a game for them.

Plus Darkos system runs a ton of plays thru the C at the high post and Yak is a very good decision maker. WCJ, not so sure.

Most Raps fans would just rather trade a SG since they have lots, for a a backup C to balance the roster better. No need to swap out their starting C they really like for another...and yeah, move their leading scorer along the way.

WCJ is def. on the upper end of the high post facilitators, but Poeltl is better in that regard (obviously excluding the centers who initiate their teams offense). WCJ averaged a career high in assists the year Orlando traded Gordon and replaced his top-of-the-key playmaking with WCJ 1:1.

Which shooting guard do you prefer to trade?

[Godaddycurse]

I'll stand by my position that Toronto has spacing issues and WCJ would be a better fit as a starting center than Jak even though Poeltl is a better overall player.

RE the other stuff - weird. Sometimes trades are misses, I'm fine with that and enjoy learning more about what teams need. Sometimes I disagree with those needs, certainly in this case I disagree with the idea that Poeltl is better for Toronto than WCJ, but it is clear the RJ inclusion didn't work.

Maybe we actually see what the team can actually do given that they were riddled with injuries, intentionally sat people, and BI has yet to play a game for them.

Plus Darkos system runs a ton of plays thru the C at the high post and Yak is a very good decision maker. WCJ, not so sure.

Most Raps fans would just rather trade a SG since they have lots, for a a backup C to balance the roster better. No need to swap out their starting C they really like for another...and yeah, move their leading scorer along the way.

WCJ is def. on the upper end of the high post facilitators, but Poeltl is better in that regard (obviously excluding the centers who initiate their teams offense). WCJ averaged a career high in assists the year Orlando traded Gordon and replaced his top-of-the-key playmaking with WCJ 1:1.

Which shooting guard do you prefer to trade?

I personally dont know until after the lottery/draft. If ee draft Malauch maybe none? Theres arguments for and against RJ/Dick/Agbaji if we move up or trade back

[Tripod]

Maybe we actually see what the team can actually do given that they were riddled with injuries, intentionally sat people, and BI has yet to play a game for them.

Plus Darkos system runs a ton of plays thru the C at the high post and Yak is a very good decision maker. WCJ, not so sure.

Most Raps fans would just rather trade a SG since they have lots, for a a backup C to balance the roster better. No need to swap out their starting C they really like for another...and yeah, move their leading scorer along the way.

WCJ is def. on the upper end of the high post facilitators, but Poeltl is better in that regard (obviously excluding the centers who initiate their teams offense). WCJ averaged a career high in assists the year Orlando traded Gordon and replaced his top-of-the-key playmaking with WCJ 1:1.

Which shooting guard do you prefer to trade?

I personally dont know until after the lottery/draft. If ee draft Malauch maybe none? Theres arguments for and against RJ/Dick/Agbaji if we move up or trade back

Yeah the lottery and draft need to come 1st before the Raps make any decision...unless if could they swing a big trade...and this isn't it.

If the Raps traffic Queen or Maluach...they don't "have" to do anything major this offseason. They can run with:

IQ RJ BI Barnes Yak
Shead Walter Ochai Dick Battle Mogo Queen/Maluach
That's 12 deep that can play and cover injuries as they happen.

Personally, I still would like another "big" kicking around.

But in the end, trade their starting C and SG who was their top scorer, for a worse C and 2 depth non rotational pieces....is never going to happen...lol. It's just a bad deal for the Raps.