Rockets Land Scoring w/KD & Sexton

[jredsaz]

2/$100M because he still makes more with the tax breaks and wants to be in Htown but he is considering Knicks and Lakers too.

At 3 years 150, I probably wouldn't take for free.

Thanks for playing along

[jredsaz]

I would be all in as a Suns fan.

We need a pick or 2 returned as well.

That deal, plus our 2027 back is the minimum. Also will need a pick from Dallas for Green. If he is worth so little, then why are we taking him in this trade?

So then just do FVV and 9 if Green/Jabari/Reed don't provide value

Or are you saying it takes Jabari, 9 and a '27 1st to get KD and are willing to go on record and put your credibility on the line by guaranteeing he returns that value?

Put his credibility on the line? Come on man We are all just guessing here.

Personally, out of a Rockets deal I want Jabari, a future first, and a rotation guy or two. A couple months ago I was convinced Green could return value but now I’m not so sure. It’s like his value just keeps dropping.

[NYG]

We need a pick or 2 returned as well.

That deal, plus our 2027 back is the minimum. Also will need a pick from Dallas for Green. If he is worth so little, then why are we taking him in this trade?

So then just do FVV and 9 if Green/Jabari/Reed don't provide value

Or are you saying it takes Jabari, 9 and a '27 1st to get KD and are willing to go on record and put your credibility on the line by guaranteeing he returns that value?

Put his credibility on the line? Come on man We are all just guessing here.

Personally, out of a Rockets deal I want Jabari, a future first, and a rotation guy or two. A couple months ago I was convinced Green could return value but now I’m not so sure. It’s like his value just keeps dropping.

But the idea of this forum is to work together and take all of our input into account to find the most realistic deal. He's acting like he's negotiating on behalf of the Suns instead of listening to what a more realistic deal looks like.

[NYG]

I'm willing to go on record that KD will not return the equivalent value of a starter on a rookie contract, a guaranteed top 10 pick and a future unprotected 1st with potential to be top 10

I'm almost willing to bet he doesn't end up in Houston or OKC too, but I'm not quite there yet.

[jredsaz]

So then just do FVV and 9 if Green/Jabari/Reed don't provide value

Or are you saying it takes Jabari, 9 and a '27 1st to get KD and are willing to go on record and put your credibility on the line by guaranteeing he returns that value?

Put his credibility on the line? Come on man We are all just guessing here.

Personally, out of a Rockets deal I want Jabari, a future first, and a rotation guy or two. A couple months ago I was convinced Green could return value but now I’m not so sure. It’s like his value just keeps dropping.

But the idea of this forum is to find the most realistic deal. He's acting like he's negotiating on behalf of the Suns instead of listening to what a more realistic deal looks like.

Well, I mean FVV and #9 isn’t a super realistic deal either. Very hard to believe FVV gets moved for KD. He’s too important to the team and his contract will unlock a ton of cap flexibility. Plus, then they definitely need a third team willing to get hard capped because Houston will be right up against it. And most importantly, I think Houston is motivated to get off of Greens contract.

The PHX/HOU/DAL trade has similar hard capped issues. In the OP I should have put the 2028 HOU 1st because that’s the level of pick I meant to put. Hard to follow all the swaps (my bad). Slim is asking for too much but to be fair, FVV and #9 seems light to me.

[jredsaz]

I'm willing to go on record that KD will not return the equivalent value of a starter on a rookie contract, a guaranteed top 10 pick and a future unprotected 1st with potential to be top 10

I'm almost willing to bet he doesn't end up in Houston or OKC too, but I'm not quite there yet.

God bless your bravery, sir. I think 99/100 people will agree with you.

I think OKC gets Giannis and I think KD goes to Knicks, Lakers or Heat. If I guess right on one of those I’ll buy myself a drink.

[NYG]

Put his credibility on the line? Come on man We are all just guessing here.

Personally, out of a Rockets deal I want Jabari, a future first, and a rotation guy or two. A couple months ago I was convinced Green could return value but now I’m not so sure. It’s like his value just keeps dropping.

But the idea of this forum is to find the most realistic deal. He's acting like he's negotiating on behalf of the Suns instead of listening to what a more realistic deal looks like.

Well, I mean FVV and #9 isn’t a super realistic deal either. Very hard to believe FVV gets moved for KD. He’s too important to the team and his contract will unlock a ton of cap flexibility. Plus, then they definitely need a third team willing to get hard capped because Houston will be right up against it. And most importantly, I think Houston is motivated to get off of Greens contract.

The PHX/HOU/DAL trade has similar hard capped issues. In the OP I should have put the 2028 HOU 1st because that’s the level of pick I meant to put. Hard to follow all the swaps (my bad). Slim is asking for too much but to be fair, FVV and #9 seems light to me.

That's reasonable too. I could see Jabari and 9 being the line in the sand where both sides are upset. The problem is finding the filler that wouldn't need to be replaced in a follow-up deal by Houston.

I just personally don't see the Rockets being the team that lands KD. I think they either go for Giannis or hold their assets until someone like that becomes available. Rafael Stone will be okay being patient I think. Houston finished way ahead of schedule this year even without a star. If they can hit on 9 and get some more internal growth, they should be able to make the playoffs again and learn to walk before they run.

[NYG]

I'm willing to go on record that KD will not return the equivalent value of a starter on a rookie contract, a guaranteed top 10 pick and a future unprotected 1st with potential to be top 10

I'm almost willing to bet he doesn't end up in Houston or OKC too, but I'm not quite there yet.

God bless your bravery, sir. I think 99/100 people will agree with you.

I think OKC gets Giannis and I think KD goes to Knicks, Lakers or Heat. If I guess right on one of those I’ll buy myself a drink.

haha, I'll Venmo you a drink!

I think Spurs get Giannis

I think Miami, Sacramento or San Antonio (if no Giannis) get KD

The Knicks would be tough because to match salary we would inherently lose all of our good defensive players. This new CBA makes salary matching on big salaries like KD just tough in general outside of specifically KD.

[jredsaz]

But the idea of this forum is to find the most realistic deal. He's acting like he's negotiating on behalf of the Suns instead of listening to what a more realistic deal looks like.

Well, I mean FVV and #9 isn’t a super realistic deal either. Very hard to believe FVV gets moved for KD. He’s too important to the team and his contract will unlock a ton of cap flexibility. Plus, then they definitely need a third team willing to get hard capped because Houston will be right up against it. And most importantly, I think Houston is motivated to get off of Greens contract.

The PHX/HOU/DAL trade has similar hard capped issues. In the OP I should have put the 2028 HOU 1st because that’s the level of pick I meant to put. Hard to follow all the swaps (my bad). Slim is asking for too much but to be fair, FVV and #9 seems light to me.

That's reasonable too. I could see Jabari and 9 being the line in the sand where both sides are upset. The problem is finding the filler that wouldn't need to be replaced in a follow-up deal by Houston.

I just personally don't see the Rockets being the team that lands KD. I think they either go for Giannis or hold their assets until someone like that becomes available. Rafael Stone will be okay being patient I think. Houston finished way ahead of schedule this year even without a star. If they can hit on 9 and get some more internal growth, they should be able to make the playoffs again and learn to walk before they run.

But if I’m the Rockets, I’d rather keep #9 than one of Jabari or Tari. They are about to get expensive, #9 isn’t. Paying one of Jabari or Tari and trading the other makes sense. Moreover, in the OP the Rockets wouldn’t have to make ancillary trades to fill holes. By restructuring FVV deal they will be able to add FA depth.

[jredsaz]

I'm willing to go on record that KD will not return the equivalent value of a starter on a rookie contract, a guaranteed top 10 pick and a future unprotected 1st with potential to be top 10

I'm almost willing to bet he doesn't end up in Houston or OKC too, but I'm not quite there yet.

God bless your bravery, sir. I think 99/100 people will agree with you.

I think OKC gets Giannis and I think KD goes to Knicks, Lakers or Heat. If I guess right on one of those I’ll buy myself a drink.

haha, I'll Venmo you a drink!

I think Spurs get Giannis

I think Miami, Sacramento or San Antonio (if no Giannis) get KD

The Knicks would be tough because to match salary we would inherently lose all of our good defensive players. This new CBA makes salary matching on big salaries like KD just tough in general outside of specifically KD.

I agree with the Knicks especially if they pull of this upset but KDs partner and agent really wants him in MSG. That’s why I listed them. I dont see OKC letting anyone in the west beat them out for Giannis. Too much of a needle mover and the Thunder have by far the most assets.

[NYG]

God bless your bravery, sir. I think 99/100 people will agree with you.

I think OKC gets Giannis and I think KD goes to Knicks, Lakers or Heat. If I guess right on one of those I’ll buy myself a drink.

haha, I'll Venmo you a drink!

I think Spurs get Giannis

I think Miami, Sacramento or San Antonio (if no Giannis) get KD

The Knicks would be tough because to match salary we would inherently lose all of our good defensive players. This new CBA makes salary matching on big salaries like KD just tough in general outside of specifically KD.

I agree with the Knicks especially if they pull of this upset but KDs partner and agent really wants him in MSG. That’s why I listed them. I dont see OKC letting anyone in the west beat them out for Giannis. Too much of a needle mover and the Thunder have by far the most assets.

Which young Miami player do you like the most?

[jredsaz]

haha, I'll Venmo you a drink!

I think Spurs get Giannis

I think Miami, Sacramento or San Antonio (if no Giannis) get KD

The Knicks would be tough because to match salary we would inherently lose all of our good defensive players. This new CBA makes salary matching on big salaries like KD just tough in general outside of specifically KD.

I agree with the Knicks especially if they pull of this upset but KDs partner and agent really wants him in MSG. That’s why I listed them. I dont see OKC letting anyone in the west beat them out for Giannis. Too much of a needle mover and the Thunder have by far the most assets.

Which young Miami player do you like the most?

Ware or Jovic. Jovic is probably the more realistic option. How about you?

[NYG]

I agree with the Knicks especially if they pull of this upset but KDs partner and agent really wants him in MSG. That’s why I listed them. I dont see OKC letting anyone in the west beat them out for Giannis. Too much of a needle mover and the Thunder have by far the most assets.

Which young Miami player do you like the most?

Ware or Jovic. Jovic is probably the more realistic option. How about you?

I like Ware more specifically for Phoenix, but also probably any Miami deal needs multiple teams to work cap wise so maybe you could still find a center elsewhere?

[K_chile22]

I’m not sure why. I’m guessing Suns prioritize rotation guys at the point or large forward/center positions. Brooks doesn’t fit that. #9 is a good asset and maybe that what the New GM will prioritize as a former coach/draft/player development guy but I’d prefer Jabari and a future first.

Brooks is better defending big wings than any of the people you have going to PHX here

I don’t know if I agree with that but Brooks isn’t a bad player. I’d be fine with Brooks being included in the deal but if it’s with Green as a salary ballast the Suns are adding 2 shooting guards to a team with Booker, Beal and Allen. Suns will try to trade Beal (probably can’t) and Allen but again, want a big or PG coming back.

Now Green to a third team, because a third team needs to be involved for first apron reasons, opens it up. But what can Green bring back at this point?

When is the last time Dillon Brooks was considered the 2 on his team? Oregon? He's played as a forward his entire career

[NYG]

I agree with the Knicks especially if they pull of this upset but KDs partner and agent really wants him in MSG. That’s why I listed them. I dont see OKC letting anyone in the west beat them out for Giannis. Too much of a needle mover and the Thunder have by far the most assets.

Which young Miami player do you like the most?

Ware or Jovic. Jovic is probably the more realistic option. How about you?

Phoenix Suns get:
Nikola Jovic
Terry Rozier
Isaiah Stewart
Simone Fontecchio
20th Overall Pick
2030 Unprotected Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick

Detroit Pistons get:
Andrew Wiggins

Miami Heat get:
Kevin Durant
Marcus Sasser

[jredsaz]

Brooks is better defending big wings than any of the people you have going to PHX here

I don’t know if I agree with that but Brooks isn’t a bad player. I’d be fine with Brooks being included in the deal but if it’s with Green as a salary ballast the Suns are adding 2 shooting guards to a team with Booker, Beal and Allen. Suns will try to trade Beal (probably can’t) and Allen but again, want a big or PG coming back.

Now Green to a third team, because a third team needs to be involved for first apron reasons, opens it up. But what can Green bring back at this point?

When is the last time Dillon Brooks was considered the 2 on his team? Oregon? He's played as a forward his entire career

He’s referenced as a SG/SF on Bball ref. I’m looking for a guy SF/PF. Other than KD they currently have two guys on their roster over 6’6”. They desperately need size and athleticism. Unless they’re getting a really good PG back they have to get size, not just a bunch of 6’4”-6’6” wings like Green and Brooks.

Hypothetically, if the roles were reversed and Book was a big forward and KD was the shooting guard, Green would be a lot more appealing for the Suns.

[jredsaz]

Which young Miami player do you like the most?

Ware or Jovic. Jovic is probably the more realistic option. How about you?

Phoenix Suns get:
Nikola Jovic
Terry Rozier
Isaiah Stewart
Simone Fontecchio
20th Overall Pick
2030 Unprotected Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick

Detroit Pistons get:
Andrew Wiggins

Miami Heat get:
Kevin Durant
Marcus Sasser

Absolutely checks my boxes. You should give that its own thread. Wonder if that’s enough for Detroit?