Bulls/Mavs Dallas settles and overpays

[Texas Chuck]

Assumes Dallas doesn't jump into the top 4

White
Ball
#45

for

Klay
Hardy
Powell
#11

Bulls cash out on a couple of guards for a 2nd lotto pick this year. Klay maybe gets flipped or provides some leadership/spacing. Hardy can either command a tank or ride the bench. Powell great room guy or a buy out.

Mavs go get their Kyrie stopgap/6th man and pick up Ball to replace Exum as the big PG who can't stay healthy. Maybe ideally you bring Exum back and hope one or the other of them is available 60 games a year? It's costly and White isn't going to extend off that number so he's a true rental, but they are desperate. This also doesn't hard cap them. Look for an older prospect with 45 who might can be ready to play.

[LightTheBeam]

I see Coby thrown into a lot of trades, I really can't see Chicago moving on even if they really should. 25 steadily getting better, exciting scoring guard.

As for the deal, it does feel a bit light for Chicago. White is way underpaid for next year, and yes an overpay is likely coming, but I'd think White for #11 and bad salary is probably fair alone. Adding 45/Ball for more meh salary feels like the part i'm off on.

[Texas Chuck]

I see Coby thrown into a lot of trades, I really can't see Chicago moving on even if they really should. 25 steadily getting better, exciting scoring guard.

As for the deal, it does feel a bit light for Chicago. White is way underpaid for next year, and yes an overpay is likely coming, but I'd think White for #11 and bad salary is probably fair alone. Adding 45/Ball for more meh salary feels like the part i'm off on.

I have Ball as not positive value, but more useful to a team like Dallas than Chicago, but its easy to take him back out of the deal. Just make it Klay/11 for White/45.

Disagree one year of White is worth more than pick 11, but we will see how others set his value. I have it as Dallas overpaying a bit because of their need. But maybe fan goggles optimistic? IDK

[Godaddycurse]

i think OP is a bit of overpay too. Rather have sexton/21 for 11

[LightTheBeam]

I see Coby thrown into a lot of trades, I really can't see Chicago moving on even if they really should. 25 steadily getting better, exciting scoring guard.

As for the deal, it does feel a bit light for Chicago. White is way underpaid for next year, and yes an overpay is likely coming, but I'd think White for #11 and bad salary is probably fair alone. Adding 45/Ball for more meh salary feels like the part i'm off on.

I have Ball as not positive value, but more useful to a team like Dallas than Chicago, but its easy to take him back out of the deal. Just make it Klay/11 for White/45.

Disagree one year of White is worth more than pick 11, but we will see how others set his value. I have it as Dallas overpaying a bit because of their need. But maybe fan goggles optimistic? IDK

I agreed that Klay/11 for White feels about right. 45 sure, give or take I don't hate it.

Lonzo I'm having a hard time with. It boils down to can he stay healthy right? At a 2/20 2nd year team option, I do have him worth more than the combo of Hardy/Powell without a doubt.

Now if Chicago wanted to truly rebuild and prioritized adding that 2nd lotto pick to Buzelis/Giddey core then I wouldn't really worry about that value. Considering they finished the season 15-5 in the last 20, I think they convinced themselves to add to the core rather than subtract. I agree it's the wrong direction, but I think the entire premise feels off tbh.

[ChettheJet]

The upside for the Bulls looks like obviously getting #11. The problem with that is all they can do is draft SFs because they give up 2 guards for 2 guards and they have to cut loose players to put the rookies on the roster even then they really don't have laying time for 2 rookies.

Even if they trade Vucvevic (and they have to get $21M worth of players back for him) quickly Powell is their 3rd center behind Collins and Smith, Powell with a PO is a bad move
Hardy who has never played 16 mpg never gets off the bench behind Klay, Huerter, Giddey, Dosunmu, maybe a resigned Tre Jones, heck Dalen Terry rates higher plus THT

The pick is great if they're tanking for a year discounting that the rookies don't play much but giving up two rotation guys, Ball's leadership, Coby excels at going downhill to the basket, Klay is a better shooter but doesn't have the driving that Ball or White can do.

You want the Bulls to trade right now and flexibility next summer for bulk that they don't have minutes for this year

[Maverick41]

For Mavs, I'd rather keep Klay and remove Ball. Keep it simpler:

DAL receives: C. White
CHI receives: Martin + Powell (or Hardy) + 11th pick

Personally, I think it really helps the Mavs right now but it could be further shooting ourselves in the foot as White could easily leave in the following offseason. Not to mention, even Kyrie.

[pipfan]

I have proposed White to Dallas, I think it makes sense. But, don't want 2026-27 bigger salaries

Any way Powell/Prosper/#11 would work, if the deal takes place once the signed contract of the #11 pick can be traded? MAYBE the Bulls throw in the Port pick, depending on Prosper's value

[Texas Chuck]

I have proposed White to Dallas, I think it makes sense. But, don't want 2026-27 bigger salaries

Any way Powell/Prosper/#11 would work, if the deal takes place once the signed contract of the #11 pick can be traded? MAYBE the Bulls throw in the Port pick, depending on Prosper's value

Propser has no value imo. But I think Dallas would say let's match with Powell/Hardy or yeah would want something back.

[letsgobulls23]

Definitely feels like an overpay, I would totally do this from CHI perspective.

[wemby]

I like Coby White and, in a vacuum, he could be worth the 11th pick in the draft, but also he is an expiring and will likely command a hefty sum to re-sign, and I'm not sure I still want him if he's making, say, Quickley type money (33/35 million per year). Because of this his trade value should be lower than the 11th pick, but since this also has the Mavs shedding some money, overall I'd say it's a balanced trade that I could see happening.

[jayjaysee]

If you delay the trade so 11th counts, there’s a lot of matching options that don’t hard cap Dallas at the first apron.

I think I would like to take the chance, like the OP, with the Klay/Ball swap (and think Chicago should still do it) but I’d do any of the variations personally.

Dallas isn’t going to tank like they should.

[Darren]

If Demin is still there, I won't trade the pick for Coby White.

[Dez]

Absolutely f***ing yes.

In an instant.