Denver - Sac - Dallas - charlotte

[LightTheBeam]

Dallas out: Hardy, Naji, Martin
Dallas in: Demar
Nothing changed here the often discussed Demar to Dallas to fill in while they wait for kyrie.

Sac out: demar, JV, 2 2nds
Sac in: MPJ, Martin
Trade machine says this works. Sac takes on extra salary to get a forward who fits well with sabonis and slides in next to Keegan.
Sabonis/Lyles*
MPJ/Laravia*
Keegan/Martin
Lavine/Carter
Keon/Monk

Denver out: MPJ, Nnaji
Denver in: Naji, JV, Grant Williams
Denver shaves a ton of salary here, gets a replacement for MPJ who can play defense, and do a little playmaking. They also finally get a backup big who works and some extra forward depth.
Jokic/JV
Gordon/Grant Williams
Naji/watson
Braun/Hardy
Murray/Westbrook

Charlotte out: Grant Williams
Charlotte in: Nnaji, Hardy, 2 kings 2nds
Charlotte takes 2 younger players for Grant, and gets 2 2nds for taking on that 3rd year of Nnaji.

[Texas Chuck]

I'd be pretty surprised if Denver did this. I don't love MPJ, but not sure you want to replace him with Naji/Williams.

[HornetJail]

I'd just hold onto Grant and hope he is back to normal by January or so. Nothing coming back to Charlotte is interesting unless SAC is planning to bottom out and those 2nds are something.

[Texas Chuck]

I'd just hold onto Grant and hope he is back to normal by January or so. Nothing coming back to Charlotte is interesting unless SAC is planning to bottom out and those 2nds are something.

Not a fan of the knife? Hardy sucks, but Marshall is a pretty useful little cog. But also if Williams is anything like he was in Dallas off the court, I'd think getting rid of him is addition by subtraction.

[jayjaysee]

I don’t much want MPJ in Dallas... But if this was the cost? Why would Dallas take Demar and not MPJ?

Seems like Gafford, Naji, and Martin is better for Denver than the OP and Dallas dumps Hardy on some third team. If Denver wanted to shave more money, some fourth team would take Martin into their MLE. And/or trade a worse center for Gafford with more salary relief. Etc.

I don’t think Charlotte or Denver do the OP though.

Charlotte would need those to be good/early seconds or need 1-2 more of them. But CLT . The first two years might be financially close to a wash, but I’d rather have Grant than Nnaji/Hardy. And the third year is just ugly money.

[LightTheBeam]

I don’t much want MPJ in Dallas... But if this was the cost? Why would Dallas take Demar and not MPJ?

Seems like Gafford, Naji, and Martin is better for Denver than the OP and Dallas dumps Hardy on some third team. If Denver wanted to shave more money, some fourth team would take Martin into their MLE. And/or trade a worse center for Gafford with more salary relief. Etc.

I don’t think Charlotte or Denver do the OP though.

Charlotte would need those to be good/early seconds or need 1-2 more of them. But CLT . The first two years might be financially close to a wash, but I’d rather have Grant than Nnaji/Hardy. And the third year is just ugly money.

I guess. The thought for Dallas is that MPJ isn't a guy who can get his own bucket, which is really what they need. Maybe Dallas just takes the better player? But id think derozan/gafford > mpj for Dallas easily.

The 3rd year is 7 million for nnaji. Id think for a team like Charlotte that's worth 2 kings 2nds that have a great chance of being in the 30s?

[psman2]

I don’t much want MPJ in Dallas... But if this was the cost? Why would Dallas take Demar and not MPJ?

Seems like Gafford, Naji, and Martin is better for Denver than the OP and Dallas dumps Hardy on some third team. If Denver wanted to shave more money, some fourth team would take Martin into their MLE. And/or trade a worse center for Gafford with more salary relief. Etc.

I don’t think Charlotte or Denver do the OP though.

Charlotte would need those to be good/early seconds or need 1-2 more of them. But CLT . The first two years might be financially close to a wash, but I’d rather have Grant than Nnaji/Hardy. And the third year is just ugly money.

I agree that Denver wouldn't do the OP, but I do question if Dallas wants to get into the Porter business. Seems like Dallas needs a little more creation with that big of a salary slot than MPJ can provide, but I really like it for Denver since he likely not a big step down on the court and gives them future flexibility.

edit-Char get paid for Nnaji's extra year sufficiently for me. Grant Williams contract is worse in my book.

[jayjaysee]

I don’t much want MPJ in Dallas... But if this was the cost? Why would Dallas take Demar and not MPJ?

Seems like Gafford, Naji, and Martin is better for Denver than the OP and Dallas dumps Hardy on some third team. If Denver wanted to shave more money, some fourth team would take Martin into their MLE. And/or trade a worse center for Gafford with more salary relief. Etc.

I don’t think Charlotte or Denver do the OP though.

Charlotte would need those to be good/early seconds or need 1-2 more of them. But CLT . The first two years might be financially close to a wash, but I’d rather have Grant than Nnaji/Hardy. And the third year is just ugly money.

I guess. The thought for Dallas is that MPJ isn't a guy who can get his own bucket, which is really what they need. Maybe Dallas just takes the better player? But id think derozan/gafford > mpj for Dallas easily.

The 3rd year is 7 million for nnaji. Id think for a team like Charlotte that's worth 2 kings 2nds that have a great chance of being in the 30s?

The two seconds to take the third year is fine.

And maybe it’s okay to split Grant’s salary in two? He’s not good when he’s good and he’s far from that right now.. But Hardy/Nnaji are never actually good.. felt like CLT is owed something for the first two years as well as the third year?

[jayjaysee]

I don’t much want MPJ in Dallas... But if this was the cost? Why would Dallas take Demar and not MPJ?

Seems like Gafford, Naji, and Martin is better for Denver than the OP and Dallas dumps Hardy on some third team. If Denver wanted to shave more money, some fourth team would take Martin into their MLE. And/or trade a worse center for Gafford with more salary relief. Etc.

I don’t think Charlotte or Denver do the OP though.

Charlotte would need those to be good/early seconds or need 1-2 more of them. But CLT . The first two years might be financially close to a wash, but I’d rather have Grant than Nnaji/Hardy. And the third year is just ugly money.

I agree that Denver wouldn't do the OP, but I do question if Dallas wants to get into the Porter business. Seems like Dallas needs a little more creation with that big of a salary slot than MPJ can provide, but I really like it for Denver since he likely not a big step down on the court and gives them future flexibility.

I have Najji clearly better than Grant (especially coming off an injury) so I like this for Charlotte. The get paid for Nnaji's extra year sufficiently for me.

Yeah, I think if you get MPJ, you trade PJ+(?) for a playmaking guard and hope it works until Kyrie is back?

I’m really not sold on bringing Demar in personally. But a lot of Dallas (and a lot of non-Dallas) fans have bought into the idea

[HornetJail]

I'd just hold onto Grant and hope he is back to normal by January or so. Nothing coming back to Charlotte is interesting unless SAC is planning to bottom out and those 2nds are something.

Not a fan of the knife? Hardy sucks, but Marshall is a pretty useful little cog. But also if Williams is anything like he was in Dallas off the court, I'd think getting rid of him is addition by subtraction.

yeah unfortunately we're not getting Naji Marshall which would be an automatic yes. we're getting Nnaji of the Zeke variety in this trade

I don't think a lot of people realize this, but Grant Williams from the time he got here until his injury in November, gave us about as much, if not more, than PJ Washington had been giving us in the months leading up to the trade. He's someone I can part with if he's needed in a trade, but we do like him and aren't throwing him away.

Josh Green on the other hand... please take him.

[Texas Chuck]

Oh my bad lol. Yeah thats rough for Charlotte then.

[LightTheBeam]

Oh my bad lol. Yeah thats rough for Charlotte then.

I'm confused, is Grant considered positive value now? He's a guy I had more useful to Denver, but coming off an ACL, I'd think Charlotte would be happy exchanging contracts and grabbing a few 2nds in the 30's?

Either way, that portion could be swapped for something else. Just thought Williams was for sure negative value today.

[HornetJail]

Oh my bad lol. Yeah thats rough for Charlotte then.

I'm confused, is Grant considered positive value now? He's a guy I had more useful to Denver, but coming off an ACL, I'd think Charlotte would be happy exchanging contracts and grabbing a few 2nds in the 30's?

Either way, that portion could be swapped for something else. Just thought Williams was for sure negative value today.

he probably isn't around the league, but he is probably our 5th to 6th best player... we really can't be breaking down our few actual NBA caliber players into trash. Nnaji being on an even longer contract and producing nothing sinks whatever value we're getting out of those mystery 2nds.

I suppose if the plan is to tank forever, SAC does have our 2nds in 2026 and 2027, so sending those our way wouldn't be awful value, but I'm completely over the tank at this point. We're also pretty well stocked with 2nd rounders

[LightTheBeam]

Oh my bad lol. Yeah thats rough for Charlotte then.

I'm confused, is Grant considered positive value now? He's a guy I had more useful to Denver, but coming off an ACL, I'd think Charlotte would be happy exchanging contracts and grabbing a few 2nds in the 30's?

Either way, that portion could be swapped for something else. Just thought Williams was for sure negative value today.

he probably isn't around the league, but he is probably our 5th to 6th best player... we really can't be breaking down our few actual NBA caliber players into trash. Nnaji being on an even longer contract and producing nothing sinks whatever value we're getting out of those mystery 2nds.

I suppose if the plan is to tank forever, SAC does have our 2nds in 2026 and 2027, so sending those our way wouldn't be awful value, but I'm completely over the tank at this point. We're also pretty well stocked with 2nd rounders

I understand not wanting to tank much longer.. Assuming you do well in the draft and grab Flagg or Harper to add to Lamelo, Bridges, Miller. I'd still think that the vets Charlotte should be adding are going to need to be better than Grant Williams. Emulating the Detroit/Houston model, guys like Adams, FVV, Brooks or Tobias, Beasley, Schroder. Along with of course some of the young guys taking a clear step forward. And I get having an abundance of 2nds, but with the new CBA it doesn't seem like you can have too many lol. Always great pieces for making a mid-season upgrade like DFS, Schroder, etc..

I wouldnt expect either of the guys you trade for to make it past next off-season. It's just getting paid to swap non long term players.

[HornetJail]

I'm confused, is Grant considered positive value now? He's a guy I had more useful to Denver, but coming off an ACL, I'd think Charlotte would be happy exchanging contracts and grabbing a few 2nds in the 30's?

Either way, that portion could be swapped for something else. Just thought Williams was for sure negative value today.

he probably isn't around the league, but he is probably our 5th to 6th best player... we really can't be breaking down our few actual NBA caliber players into trash. Nnaji being on an even longer contract and producing nothing sinks whatever value we're getting out of those mystery 2nds.

I suppose if the plan is to tank forever, SAC does have our 2nds in 2026 and 2027, so sending those our way wouldn't be awful value, but I'm completely over the tank at this point. We're also pretty well stocked with 2nd rounders

I understand not wanting to tank much longer.. Assuming you do well in the draft and grab Flagg or Harper to add to Lamelo, Bridges, Miller. I'd still think that the vets Charlotte should be adding are going to need to be better than Grant Williams. Emulating the Detroit/Houston model, guys like Adams, FVV, Brooks or Tobias, Beasley, Schroder. Along with of course some of the young guys taking a clear step forward. And I get having an abundance of 2nds, but with the new CBA it doesn't seem like you can have too many lol. Always great pieces for making a mid-season upgrade like DFS, Schroder, etc..

I wouldnt expect either of the guys you trade for to make it past next off-season. It's just getting paid to swap non long term players.

agreed, but till we get an upgrade, there's no point in downgrading from Grant to complete nobodies that don't even provide cap savings.

Also trust me we're good on 2nds, we have 16 between now and 2032. and most of them look like they're going to be in the top 45. Hoarding 2nds is about the only thing Jeff Peterson has done in Charlotte

[Darren]

I don't think DeMarr is worth building around.

[Diop]

Grant was a good leader for Charlotte, the team really performed worse after his injury.

He seems to like it in Charlotte too.

[GoBobs]

I'd just hold onto Grant and hope he is back to normal by January or so. Nothing coming back to Charlotte is interesting unless SAC is planning to bottom out and those 2nds are something.

Not a fan of the knife? Hardy sucks, but Marshall is a pretty useful little cog. But also if Williams is anything like he was in Dallas off the court, I'd think getting rid of him is addition by subtraction.

Grant is one of the few players on our team that plays physical and without him we are prone to being bullied. We were 6 wins,10 losses (.375 win%) with him in the lineup last year. 13 wins, 53 losses (.197 win%) without Grant in the lineup.