Houston/Lakers/Jazz and Kings?

[Astaluego]

HOUSTON
In:A.Reaves/Maxi/KJ Martín/#21
Out:J.Green/#9

They're dropping a few spots in the Draft to improve their biggest need for a scoring guard. Martin/Maxi are expiring, so they'd be fodder for a consolidation trade (KD?/Giannis?)

(Extra)
Trade 2 (Houston/Suns/Nets)
Suns reportedly prioritize savings in KD trade..

KD+ to HOUSTON

D.Brooks+J.Smith+Knicks 27+ SUNS 27 to SUNS

Maxi/KJ Martín + cancel the FRP Nets 2027 exchange NETS

Sengun/Adams
KD/Eason
Amen/Whitmore
Reaves/Holiday
FVV/Sheppard


LAKERS
In: Kessler/Sexton/Ellis/Valanciunas
Out:Reaves/Maxi/Knecht/Vandervilt/Lakers31/Swap 32

The LAKERS get the center they wanted to pair with Luka long-term, they get Sexton who would be the replacement for Reaves' skill set, now in an elite 6-man role.
They exhaust their resources but correct most of their deficiencies.
getting a guard defender and a good veteran as a backup at 5
and it's starting to feel like Luka's team

Kessler/Valanciunas
LeBron/FA
Hachimura/DFS
Ellis/Sexton
Luka/Vincent

JAZZ
In:J.Green/#9/Lakers31
Out: Kessler/Sexton/#21

Is this the overpay/win that convinces Angie to do it? She gets a guard with some confidence issues but loaded with talent (an easy argument can be made that he's the player with the most potential in the deal) while moving up in the draft to get a second pick in the top 10, before having to pay Kessler and minimize his value... + another future asset, who has potential.

KINGS
In: Knecht/Vandervilt/Swap 2031(Lakers)
Out:Ellis/Valanciunas

Take advantage of Ellis' current good value by sending him to a contender (they also have Carter, who is a similar archetype: a small 3-point guard). Vandervilt gives them size and defense at the 4, and while he's a limited player, the Kings' build around scorers seems ideal for him, as a "perfect" partner alongside Domantas. Knecht could be redirected for draft capital (to the Magic?) or kept, as he's only in his second year as a rookie and is already a useful player.


Thoughts?
How are the values and direction?
Do we need to fix them?
Cut the Kings?

[SkyHook]

JAZZ
In:J.Green/#9/Lakers31
Out: Kessler/Sexton/#21

Is this the overpay/win that convinces Angie to do it? She gets a guard with some confidence issues but loaded with talent (an easy argument can be made that he's the player with the most potential in the deal) while moving up in the draft to get a second pick in the top 10, before having to pay Kessler and minimize his value... + another future asset, who has potential.

Not a legal trade. It's missing a touch between SAC and HOU or UTA and the Jazz can't take on Green's money with only the salaries of Kessler and Sexton going out.

The only overpay I see here is by the team stuck with Green's contract. I'd much rather have Sexton than him period, but overwhelmingly so at just over half of Green's cost; I could see a Sexton extension in Utah before I see this. 9 for 21 doesn't bridge that chasm. I'd much rather keep Kessler than to hope that they might get a player at least as good as him six years from now. Easy pass from the Jazz, imo.

side note: I can understand an Angie typo, but to be immediately followed up with "she" makes it seem intentional.

[bkohler]

I think there’s a fair chance the rockets get cut out of this deal and Utah just takes Reaves. I have green as neutral value right now, I don’t think you’d have to pay to get rid of him but I also don’t think you’ll get value coming back. And this trade has him worth serious positive value. You could swap him for Eason or Jabari and it would make more sense.

[SkyHook]

I think there’s a fair chance the rockets get cut out of this deal and Utah just takes Reaves. I have green as neutral value right now, I don’t think you’d have to pay to get rid of him but I also don’t think you’ll get value coming back. And this trade has him worth serious positive value. You could swap him for Eason or Jabari and it would make more sense.

I highly doubt that Green has anywhere close to neutral value. Most of the responses in this thread seem to agree.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2457266

[AingesBurner]

Utah turned down a previous Lakers trade and not sure this bridges the gap.

[bkohler]

I think there’s a fair chance the rockets get cut out of this deal and Utah just takes Reaves. I have green as neutral value right now, I don’t think you’d have to pay to get rid of him but I also don’t think you’ll get value coming back. And this trade has him worth serious positive value. You could swap him for Eason or Jabari and it would make more sense.

I highly doubt that Green has anywhere close to neutral value. Most of the responses in this thread seem to agree.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2457266

I’d argue that most in that thread say he doesn’t have positive value. I’m not sure he’s in the negative value territory yet, I think there’s teams that would swap salaries for him without paying anything else.

[K_chile22]

I think there’s a fair chance the rockets get cut out of this deal and Utah just takes Reaves. I have green as neutral value right now, I don’t think you’d have to pay to get rid of him but I also don’t think you’ll get value coming back. And this trade has him worth serious positive value. You could swap him for Eason or Jabari and it would make more sense.

I highly doubt that Green has anywhere close to neutral value. Most of the responses in this thread seem to agree.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2457266

I’d argue that most in that thread say he doesn’t have positive value. I’m not sure he’s in the negative value territory yet, I think there’s teams that would swap salaries for him without paying anything else.

Think he should be negative value to teams trying to win now but I team with not much to lose the next few years taking the chance on him for nothing but salary flotsam seems realistic to me

[Texas Chuck]

I think there’s a fair chance the rockets get cut out of this deal and Utah just takes Reaves. I have green as neutral value right now, I don’t think you’d have to pay to get rid of him but I also don’t think you’ll get value coming back. And this trade has him worth serious positive value. You could swap him for Eason or Jabari and it would make more sense.

This deal assigns negative value to Green. Kessler is not worth more than the jump in this year's draft and a future unprotected first. I'm not sure he is worth either of those assets and Sexton doesn't close the gap. So the Jazz are taking on his money in order to get this return.

And I would have Eason probably worth as much as Kessler on his own and Smith not much behind that.

[Sactown33]

This is an easy no from the Kings. They add 2 1-way players, one of which has a concerning injury history and bad contract, while losing a solid backup center and a younger 3&D guard making only $2m, and they don’t even get a 1st round pick.

[MoreyWins]

I like Reaves, but I don't like him enough to package the #9 pick with Jalen. I love KJ Martin highlights, but him finding rotation minutes next season on this team would be highly highly unlikely. Maxi is nothing. That late first could possibly swing it for me if there's a gem late in the first, but I'm not a guru on this year's draft class.

[mademan]

Youre undervaluing Keon here by a lot. A possible swap 6 years from now and an old rookie with limited upside (while eating Vando's contract) is not enough

[Daddy 801]

As a Jazz fan I would pass on this and I am pretty confident Ainge agrees.

If you include removing the protections on the pick Utah already owns of the Lakers, the Jazz end up doing well in this draft top 1-3, and the Jazz have someone they absolutely love at #9….maybe that could be a scenario that gets it done. But the draft seems 5-7 deep so someone the Jazz value as top 5 would probably have to drop to 9 for some reason.

[OGSactownballer]

HOUSTON
In:A.Reaves/Maxi/KJ Martín/#21
Out:J.Green/#9

They're dropping a few spots in the Draft to improve their biggest need for a scoring guard. Martin/Maxi are expiring, so they'd be fodder for a consolidation trade (KD?/Giannis?)

(Extra)
Trade 2 (Houston/Suns/Nets)
Suns reportedly prioritize savings in KD trade..

KD+ to HOUSTON

D.Brooks+J.Smith+Knicks 27+ SUNS 27 to SUNS

Maxi/KJ Martín + cancel the FRP Nets 2027 exchange NETS

Sengun/Adams
KD/Eason
Amen/Whitmore
Reaves/Holiday
FVV/Sheppard


LAKERS
In: Kessler/Sexton/Ellis/Valanciunas
Out:Reaves/Maxi/Knecht/Vandervilt/Lakers31/Swap 32

The LAKERS get the center they wanted to pair with Luka long-term, they get Sexton who would be the replacement for Reaves' skill set, now in an elite 6-man role.
They exhaust their resources but correct most of their deficiencies.
getting a guard defender and a good veteran as a backup at 5
and it's starting to feel like Luka's team

Kessler/Valanciunas
LeBron/FA
Hachimura/DFS
Ellis/Sexton
Luka/Vincent

JAZZ
In:J.Green/#9/Lakers31
Out: Kessler/Sexton/#21

Is this the overpay/win that convinces Angie to do it? She gets a guard with some confidence issues but loaded with talent (an easy argument can be made that he's the player with the most potential in the deal) while moving up in the draft to get a second pick in the top 10, before having to pay Kessler and minimize his value... + another future asset, who has potential.

KINGS
In: Knecht/Vandervilt/Swap 2031(Lakers)
Out:Ellis/Valanciunas

Take advantage of Ellis' current good value by sending him to a contender (they also have Carter, who is a similar archetype: a small 3-point guard). Vandervilt gives them size and defense at the 4, and while he's a limited player, the Kings' build around scorers seems ideal for him, as a "perfect" partner alongside Domantas. Knecht could be redirected for draft capital (to the Magic?) or kept, as he's only in his second year as a rookie and is already a useful player.


Thoughts?
How are the values and direction?
Do we need to fix them?
Cut the Kings?

Leave the Kings out.

And stop using Keon Ellis as a throw in to janky trades.

[Hoops Addict]

Ainge laughs, and insults them.

[babyjax13]

I'd probably do it as the outlier person who thinks Green has shown enough promise that I am comfortable rolling the dice here. Clarkson needs to be outgoing to make salaries work?

[longfellow44]

kings give up Ellis who has more value than Knecht or Vanderbilt, no. Ellis is on his way to being a fantastic 3 and D player we are not giving that up for either of the players the lakers are offering. Valanciunas is also still pretty good and would likely start for the lakers so no way the kings do this.