Jaylen Brown offers?

[hugepatsfan]

2 scenarios to get Brown to the Spurs:

Option 1:
Spurs trade Fox/Sochan, #14
Celtics trade Brown, #28

Spurs still able to draft Harper at 2, and at 28 go after Lendenborg or Bromme (back up center or PF).

Option 2:
Spurs trade Vassell and Johnson and #14
Celtics trade Brown

Again Spurs take Harper at 2.
By taking Brown Spurs are getting a young vet who has been in the playoffs and won.
Celtics would be better off with the players of option1 but are going to have to pay Fox in a year.

Don't see either as very appealing to BOS. I think Castle and #2 are the only remotely appealing things on SAS's roster/pick stash in the context of a Jaylen Brown trade and I don't see those being on the table. I don't think there's a good match there.

If the financials of the team and a possilble desire to "recalibrate" to a timeline 1-2 years away to give Tatum time to recover dictate that they have to move White or Brown instead of just tinkering with Holiday/Porzingis and Brown's contract is such an impediment that offers looks like this, they'll move White for actual value instead IMO.

[Frankie]

2 scenarios to get Brown to the Spurs:

Option 1:
Spurs trade Fox/Sochan, #14
Celtics trade Brown, #28

Spurs still able to draft Harper at 2, and at 28 go after Lendenborg or Bromme (back up center or PF).

Option 2:
Spurs trade Vassell and Johnson and #14
Celtics trade Brown

Again Spurs take Harper at 2.
By taking Brown Spurs are getting a young vet who has been in the playoffs and won.
Celtics would be better off with the players of option1 but are going to have to pay Fox in a year.

Don't see either as very appealing to BOS. I think Castle and #2 are the only remotely appealing things on SAS's roster/pick stash in the context of a Jaylen Brown trade and I don't see those being on the table. I don't think there's a good match there.

If the financials of the team and a possilble desire to "recalibrate" to a timeline 1-2 years away to give Tatum time to recover dictate that they have to move White or Brown instead of just tinkering with Holiday/Porzingis and Brown's contract is such an impediment that offers looks like this, they'll move White for actual value instead IMO.

Ignoring the Spurs suggestion, what kind of package would you want for Brown, generally?

[ReggiesKnicks]

I disagree here. I think if you are a contender and willing to pay the Tax for 1-2 seasons, you ignore the cost.

I would point to the obvious example of Boston.

A contending team...looking to move Brown.

The tax issue was a devils bargain and it looks like it has caused issues:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1fgzh3d/celtics_ownership_reportedly_need_to_sell_team/

Except you are viewing Boston when they are no longer a title contender.

Go back to 2020 and look at their yearly salary rankings.

2020: 20th
2021: 11th
2022: 11th (Make Finals)
2023: 4th (Massive Tax Bill)
2024: 4th (Massive Tax Bill)
2025: 3rd (Massive Tax Bill)

As you can see, Boston really started committing to being a Tax team when their true window opened up. They missed it by 1 year (2022) where they should have tried to make real improvements to the roster (Maybe they did but couldn't find the right trade?).

Boston clearly became a clear-cut title contender in 2022, and since then, it has become a heavy spender.

[LarsV8]

I disagree here. I think if you are a contender and willing to pay the Tax for 1-2 seasons, you ignore the cost.

I would point to the obvious example of Boston.

A contending team...looking to move Brown.

The tax issue was a devils bargain and it looks like it has caused issues:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1fgzh3d/celtics_ownership_reportedly_need_to_sell_team/

Except you are viewing Boston when they are no longer a title contender.

Go back to 2020 and look at their yearly salary rankings.

2020: 20th
2021: 11th
2022: 11th (Make Finals)
2023: 4th (Massive Tax Bill)
2024: 4th (Massive Tax Bill)
2025: 3rd (Massive Tax Bill)

As you can see, Boston really started committing to being a Tax team when their true window opened up. They missed it by 1 year (2022) where they should have tried to make real improvements to the roster (Maybe they did but couldn't find the right trade?).

Boston clearly became a clear-cut title contender in 2022, and since then, it has become a heavy spender.

And I am not disputing that...however it appears the "true" cost of that was the owners needing to sell the team.

I can't imagine run of the mill owners signing up for that.

[djFan71]

One thing I'll say about Brown is he delivers when it matters.

He's all the things people complain about - prone to shake your head turnovers, on a supermax, benefits from playing w/ Tatum, some mild injury concerns, effort on D ebbs and flows, etc. All fair. But, he plays with a force most other players with similar regular season numbers simply can't match come playoffs. He works on his game and is always improving which helps set a tone for the team.

It's easy to dismiss that, and I tried like heck to fake trade him before the supermax, but I am glad Brad didn't listen. I don't think BOS wins the title last year without him (even with the guys coming back from my trades in his place).

For teams like HOU or SAS or others on their way up, I think some of his intangibles help more than just the raw stats/bad turnovers/$ might suggest. Not saying all the trade ideas from BOS fans are ones that are good for the other side or anything, but his impact would be greater than the mere numbers.

[165bows]

Holy ****, I would much rather have Bane than Brown.

Can’t put Bane on Luka the way Boston did in the finals imo.

[165bows]

I disagree here. I think if you are a contender and willing to pay the Tax for 1-2 seasons, you ignore the cost.

I would point to the obvious example of Boston.

A contending team...looking to move Brown.

The tax issue was a devils bargain and it looks like it has caused issues:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1fgzh3d/celtics_ownership_reportedly_need_to_sell_team/

Except you are viewing Boston when they are no longer a title contender.

Go back to 2020 and look at their yearly salary rankings.

2020: 20th
2021: 11th
2022: 11th (Make Finals)
2023: 4th (Massive Tax Bill)
2024: 4th (Massive Tax Bill)
2025: 3rd (Massive Tax Bill)

As you can see, Boston really started committing to being a Tax team when their true window opened up. They missed it by 1 year (2022) where they should have tried to make real improvements to the roster (Maybe they did but couldn't find the right trade?).

Boston clearly became a clear-cut title contender in 2022, and since then, it has become a heavy spender.

They weren’t that good first half of ‘22. Retrospectively that team needed one more well rounded guy at the deadline but what can you do

[louc1970]

I disagree here. I think if you are a contender and willing to pay the Tax for 1-2 seasons, you ignore the cost.

I would point to the obvious example of Boston.

A contending team...looking to move Brown.

The tax issue was a devils bargain and it looks like it has caused issues:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1fgzh3d/celtics_ownership_reportedly_need_to_sell_team/

Except you are viewing Boston when they are no longer a title contender.

Go back to 2020 and look at their yearly salary rankings.

2020: 20th
2021: 11th
2022: 11th (Make Finals)
2023: 4th (Massive Tax Bill)
2024: 4th (Massive Tax Bill)
2025: 3rd (Massive Tax Bill)

As you can see, Boston really started committing to being a Tax team when their true window opened up. They missed it by 1 year (2022) where they should have tried to make real improvements to the roster (Maybe they did but couldn't find the right trade?).

Boston clearly became a clear-cut title contender in 2022, and since then, it has become a heavy spender.

Did Boston become a heavy spender or did they simply pay market value for their own stars?

Or possibly both with the acquisition of K. Porzingis, as well as paying J. Brown.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I would point to the obvious example of Boston.

A contending team...looking to move Brown.

The tax issue was a devils bargain and it looks like it has caused issues:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1fgzh3d/celtics_ownership_reportedly_need_to_sell_team/

Except you are viewing Boston when they are no longer a title contender.

Go back to 2020 and look at their yearly salary rankings.

2020: 20th
2021: 11th
2022: 11th (Make Finals)
2023: 4th (Massive Tax Bill)
2024: 4th (Massive Tax Bill)
2025: 3rd (Massive Tax Bill)

As you can see, Boston really started committing to being a Tax team when their true window opened up. They missed it by 1 year (2022) where they should have tried to make real improvements to the roster (Maybe they did but couldn't find the right trade?).

Boston clearly became a clear-cut title contender in 2022, and since then, it has become a heavy spender.

Did Boston become a heavy spender or did they simply pay market value for their own stars?

Or possibly both with the acquisition of K. Porzingis, as well as paying J. Brown.

Boston, being a heavy spender and paying market value for their own stars, isn't exclusive.

[Texas Chuck]

I think an important piece to Boston having this payroll, was saying okay we have a championship level team, we can pay the tax for this, but also we know we are selling the team so we can hand out all these big extensions and let it be the next guy's problem.

Maybe everyone still gets their new deal, but my guess is they wouldn't have if they were keeping the team.

[wemby]

I think the Celtics are going for a not so mild retool. Tatum out for an entire season means their next contending offseason is likely in 2 years, by then you can't count on Jrue being a core piece and also Porzinguis would have to be extended, given his health you might be better off trading him as well. So probably they should move Porzinguis for some value, dump Jrue, and maybe let Horford go. That should get them the financial relief to keep Jaylen Brown, which I would do unless a massive offer came along.

[brackdan70]

I think the Celtics are going for a not so mild retool. Tatum out for an entire season means their next contending offseason is likely in 2 years, by then you can't count on Jrue being a core piece and also Porzinguis would have to be extended, given his health you might be better off trading him as well. So probably they should move Porzinguis for some value, dump Jrue, and maybe let Horford go. That should get them the financial relief to keep Jaylen Brown, which I would do unless a massive offer came along.

Spot on. I expect Horford to retire.

[wemby]

I think the Celtics are going for a not so mild retool. Tatum out for an entire season means their next contending offseason is likely in 2 years, by then you can't count on Jrue being a core piece and also Porzinguis would have to be extended, given his health you might be better off trading him as well. So probably they should move Porzinguis for some value, dump Jrue, and maybe let Horford go. That should get them the financial relief to keep Jaylen Brown, which I would do unless a massive offer came along.

Spot on. I expect Horford to retire.

If he doesn't re-sign and would like to play one more season, I could see him being the high character type vet Spurs would target for a season, much like CP3 was.

[Texas Chuck]

I think the Celtics are going for a not so mild retool. Tatum out for an entire season means their next contending offseason is likely in 2 years, by then you can't count on Jrue being a core piece and also Porzinguis would have to be extended, given his health you might be better off trading him as well. So probably they should move Porzinguis for some value, dump Jrue, and maybe let Horford go. That should get them the financial relief to keep Jaylen Brown, which I would do unless a massive offer came along.

Spot on. I expect Horford to retire.

If he doesn't re-sign and would like to play one more season, I could see him being the high character type vet Spurs would target for a season, much like CP3 was.

If he doesn't retire, the line forms to the left of teams trying to add him. Spurs would have an advantage in terms of being able to offer the full MLE which not every team could. And he'd be a great mentor to Wemby. But other teams would be wanting him for similar things and would ease him through a regular season to get some backup big minutes come playoff time.

[brackdan70]

Spot on. I expect Horford to retire.

If he doesn't re-sign and would like to play one more season, I could see him being the high character type vet Spurs would target for a season, much like CP3 was.

If he doesn't retire, the line forms to the left of teams trying to add him. Spurs would have an advantage in terms of being able to offer the full MLE which not every team could. And he'd be a great mentor to Wemby. But other teams would be wanting him for similar things and would ease him through a regular season to get some backup big minutes come playoff time.

I would guess if he plays another season there has to be a chance at a ring.