Philly-Portland

[zaz102]

I think that’s crazy, but they’re welcome to keep him.

I think its more likely that PG had a steep decline due to injuries and roster turnover rather than 34 being a magic age that he dropped off. Next season will tell.

I strongly think taking the risk that PG returns to his productivity from the season prior is a better path than taking on Grant. In fact, hasn't Portland been trying to trade Grant and have had no takers?

I mean, both teams are hoping their respective players bounce back. Portland is just hoping it for a player that’s 4 years younger with a less horrifying injury history.

Unless I'm missing something, George had a better statline this past season and George bouncing back is a huge difference than Grant bouncing back.

[the_process]

#3 + PG for #11 + Williams + Grant

Portland owes significantly on that.

[Brandon-Clyde]

I think its more likely that PG had a steep decline due to injuries and roster turnover rather than 34 being a magic age that he dropped off. Next season will tell.

I strongly think taking the risk that PG returns to his productivity from the season prior is a better path than taking on Grant. In fact, hasn't Portland been trying to trade Grant and have had no takers?

I mean, both teams are hoping their respective players bounce back. Portland is just hoping it for a player that’s 4 years younger with a less horrifying injury history.

Unless I'm missing something, George had a better statline this past season and George bouncing back is a huge difference than Grant bouncing back.

George is also paid $20 million more per year for the next three seasons which is quite a lot for the difference in production and Portland also takes on Drummond and Gordon neither of whom Portland would want on the roster during a rebuild and would add an additional $8+ million for next season as dead weight salary. So the OP's trade has Portland taking on $30 million in additional bad salary next season and $20 million in bad salary for the two seasons after that for the third pick in the draft while giving upthe 11th pick and two very good forwards. No thanks.

[DiegoChara]

I think its more likely that PG had a steep decline due to injuries and roster turnover rather than 34 being a magic age that he dropped off. Next season will tell.

I strongly think taking the risk that PG returns to his productivity from the season prior is a better path than taking on Grant. In fact, hasn't Portland been trying to trade Grant and have had no takers?

I mean, both teams are hoping their respective players bounce back. Portland is just hoping it for a player that’s 4 years younger with a less horrifying injury history.

Unless I'm missing something, George had a better statline this past season and George bouncing back is a huge difference than Grant bouncing back.

He did. He’s also paid 20 million a year more.

[Tim Lehrbach]

I think there are some preposterous offers being lobbed in both directions here.

The Sixers aren't going to look at PG13 as a salary dump until and unless they trade Embiid and go full rebuild, so it's wrong to view him as eroding the value of the #3 pick.
The Blazers aren't going to look at the #3 pick as worth gutting them of their assets.

Now, to be completely honest, I am closer to favoring the Philadelphia side here because I believe that Edgecombe is a sneaky elite prospect, and I'd love to have the #3 pick to get him. But the risk in trading away everything in the OP is far too great. And there is little chance that Blazers brass shares my love for my top three in this draft. I could see them taking a giant swing for the second pick and Harper at a huge cost, but probably not for the third.

[The Sebastian Express]

I would do Ayton + Simons + 11th + protected future pick for PG + salary filler + #3 to help them clear off the George salary. I think this would give Philly capspace next summer? I'm not 100% sure on that (so sorry). But I completely understand why Philadelphia would not do that at all and it's fair they wouldn't want to.

[zaz102]

I mean, both teams are hoping their respective players bounce back. Portland is just hoping it for a player that’s 4 years younger with a less horrifying injury history.

Unless I'm missing something, George had a better statline this past season and George bouncing back is a huge difference than Grant bouncing back.

George is also paid $20 million more per year for the next three seasons which is quite a lot for the difference in production and Portland also takes on Drummond and Gordon neither of whom Portland would want on the roster during a rebuild and would add an additional $8+ million for next season as dead weight salary. So the OP's trade has Portland taking on $30 million in additional bad salary next season and $20 million in bad salary for the two seasons after that for the third pick in the draft while giving upthe 11th pick and two very good forwards. No thanks.

I'm not saying Portland should want to do the trade. Responding to why its not crazy to want to have PG over Grant as the other poster said.

1. If they can compete- PG would most likely be better than Grant (and best player in the proposed trade). Why worry about saving money?

2. If they can't compete- PG is at his lowest value and even last year he was in small company that shot a high 3p% on high volume while also rebounding and was still was a good defender. If he has a better year, I think you could get some good assets for him at the deadline.

I would respectfully decline the trade for other reasons, but it sounds like Portland fans don't like it either, so its a moot point.

[One_and_Done]

Easy no for me.
IMO, there's not a significant difference between #3 and #12 in this draft. It is extremely flat.
I also have Ace rated closer to 9 or 10 on my board than #3...

I think there's a huge difference between 3 and 12. I'm not saying guys at 12 can't end up better than Ace, but the drop off appears huge.

I'd have zero interest in this as Philly.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Easy no for me.
IMO, there's not a significant difference between #3 and #12 in this draft. It is extremely flat.
I also have Ace rated closer to 9 or 10 on my board than #3...

I think there's a huge difference between 3 and 12. I'm not saying guys at 12 can't end up better than Ace, but the drop off appears huge.

I'd have zero interest in this as Philly.

I agree that there is a huge difference between 3 and 12. But for me it's got nothing to do with Ace: I do think several players selected 12 and after will end up being better pros than him. Sorry, going OT here. I'm just really disappointed in Bailey as a prospect and have significant doubts he will fit in the NBA. The guy I'd be ecstatic to draft at #3 is Edgecombe.

[Norm2953]

Portland would take Edgecombe at 3 in a move up but I wonder where he would fit with Sharpe on
the roster

[Tim Lehrbach]

Portland would take Edgecombe at 3 in a move up but I wonder where he would fit with Sharpe on
the roster

I think you have to try them together in the backcourt. I am not a believer in Sharpe, but playing next to a guy with Edgecombe's feel for the game and equal athletic gifts could be inspiring for Shaedon and/or relieve him of some creation pressures for which he is simply not suited at this stage.

[One_and_Done]

Easy no for me.
IMO, there's not a significant difference between #3 and #12 in this draft. It is extremely flat.
I also have Ace rated closer to 9 or 10 on my board than #3...

I think there's a huge difference between 3 and 12. I'm not saying guys at 12 can't end up better than Ace, but the drop off appears huge.

I'd have zero interest in this as Philly.

I agree that there is a huge difference between 3 and 12. But for me it's got nothing to do with Ace: I do think several players selected 12 and after will end up being better pros than him. Sorry, going OT here. I'm just really disappointed in Bailey as a prospect and have significant doubts he will fit in the NBA. The guy I'd be ecstatic to draft at #3 is Edgecombe.

He seems less risky than Ace, but either way the top 4 seems a clear cut above as prospects. Based on what I've heard, noting I haven't watched alot of footage of these guys, the lotto looks like:

Cooper/Harper

Ace/Edgecombe

Everybody else.

[Norm2953]

Portland would take Edgecombe at 3 in a move up but I wonder where he would fit with Sharpe on
the roster

I think you have to try them together in the backcourt. I am not a believer in Sharpe, but playing next to a guy with Edgecombe's feel for the game and equal athletic gifts could be inspiring for Shaedon and/or relieve him of some creation pressures for which he is simply not suited at this stage.

Both are SG's and most likely would lead to Deni ending running the offense.

[Pattycakes]

Portland would take Edgecombe at 3 in a move up but I wonder where he would fit with Sharpe on
the roster

I think you have to try them together in the backcourt. I am not a believer in Sharpe, but playing next to a guy with Edgecombe's feel for the game and equal athletic gifts could be inspiring for Shaedon and/or relieve him of some creation pressures for which he is simply not suited at this stage.

Both are SG's and most likely would lead to Deni ending running the offense.

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