76ers/Wizards

[nate33]

I think the OP's trade is fair and reasonable. If Philly isn't interested, that's cool. But the Wizards shouldn't have to offer more to move up to #3 when this is a 2 person draft with a significant drop-off after that.

If the tables were turned, would you take 18 to move down from 3 to 6? I sure as hell wouldn't, and I'm not a fan of the 76ers or the Wizards.

It depends how much they value Edgecombe, Bailey, Johnson and anyone else they like in that range. One thing about Edgecombe is that there isn't much room for him in the rotation alongside Maxey and McCain. If they think one of the other guys is only marginally worse than Edgecombe, then it might be worth it to trade down for fit.

[nate33]

The Sixers/Wizards trade that makes more sense would be something centered around the Wizards eating Paul George's contract in exchange for the #3 pick. A Paul George for Khris Middleton trade is only a minor on-the-court drop-off but results in Philly saving $128M in salary over the next 3 seasons and probably a ton more than that after factoring the luxtax savings.

Something like Middleton plus #18 for Paul George and #3 is honestly fair. Nobody on this board will like it because fans don't care about saving money, but if Philly's owner is going to save $150M or so, that's something to consider.

Regardless of whether that fair, there's just no world where the Sixers do that. Morey might as well put in his resignation if he tanked a season just to use the pick to get rid of the guy he just signed to a mega deal (after sitting in his hands the season before to have a shot at free agency).

Also... Following the fans don't care about money but it's how it is logic: why do the Wizards care less about paying Paul George than the Sixers?

Because the Wizards can afford to take on a bad contract during this phase of the rebuild when they only have rookie contracts on the payroll. If Philly gets George off the payroll, they can add a lot more depth in the next few years without massive luxtax consequences. In the short term, that is likely to help them more than a #3 pick in this draft that needs 2 years of development before he becomes a positive player.

[youngcrev]

The Sixers/Wizards trade that makes more sense would be something centered around the Wizards eating Paul George's contract in exchange for the #3 pick. A Paul George for Khris Middleton trade is only a minor on-the-court drop-off but results in Philly saving $128M in salary over the next 3 seasons and probably a ton more than that after factoring the luxtax savings.

Something like Middleton plus #18 for Paul George and #3 is honestly fair. Nobody on this board will like it because fans don't care about saving money, but if Philly's owner is going to save $150M or so, that's something to consider.

Regardless of whether that fair, there's just no world where the Sixers do that. Morey might as well put in his resignation if he tanked a season just to use the pick to get rid of the guy he just signed to a mega deal (after sitting in his hands the season before to have a shot at free agency).

Also... Following the fans don't care about money but it's how it is logic: why do the Wizards care less about paying Paul George than the Sixers?

Because the Wizards can afford to take on a bad contract during this phase of the rebuild when they only have rookie contracts on the payroll. If Philly gets George off the payroll, they can add a lot more depth in the next few years without massive luxtax consequences. In the short term, that is likely to help them more than a #3 pick in this draft that needs 2 years of development before he becomes a positive player.

If Embiid is healthy, George is a helpful piece towards competing.

If Embiid's not healthy, they're in a similar phase to the Wizards.

[Jojothewhale]

The Sixers/Wizards trade that makes more sense would be something centered around the Wizards eating Paul George's contract in exchange for the #3 pick. A Paul George for Khris Middleton trade is only a minor on-the-court drop-off but results in Philly saving $128M in salary over the next 3 seasons and probably a ton more than that after factoring the luxtax savings.

Something like Middleton plus #18 for Paul George and #3 is honestly fair. Nobody on this board will like it because fans don't care about saving money, but if Philly's owner is going to save $150M or so, that's something to consider.

Regardless of whether that fair, there's just no world where the Sixers do that. Morey might as well put in his resignation if he tanked a season just to use the pick to get rid of the guy he just signed to a mega deal (after sitting in his hands the season before to have a shot at free agency).

Also... Following the fans don't care about money but it's how it is logic: why do the Wizards care less about paying Paul George than the Sixers?

Because the Wizards can afford to take on a bad contract during this phase of the rebuild when they only have rookie contracts on the payroll. If Philly gets George off the payroll, they can add a lot more depth in the next few years without massive luxtax consequences. In the short term, that is likely to help them more than a #3 pick in this draft that needs 2 years of development before he becomes a positive player.

Wait. You’re pitching trading away Paul George for Middleton and $20MM in salary room at the cost of 3 OA as a win now move? What? They’d just hope PG bounces back to be more than nothing and less than a star.

[nate33]

Regardless of whether that fair, there's just no world where the Sixers do that. Morey might as well put in his resignation if he tanked a season just to use the pick to get rid of the guy he just signed to a mega deal (after sitting in his hands the season before to have a shot at free agency).

Also... Following the fans don't care about money but it's how it is logic: why do the Wizards care less about paying Paul George than the Sixers?

Because the Wizards can afford to take on a bad contract during this phase of the rebuild when they only have rookie contracts on the payroll. If Philly gets George off the payroll, they can add a lot more depth in the next few years without massive luxtax consequences. In the short term, that is likely to help them more than a #3 pick in this draft that needs 2 years of development before he becomes a positive player.

Wait. You’re pitching trading away Paul George for Middleton and $20MM in salary room at the cost of 3 OA as a win now move? What? They’d just hope PG bounces back to be more than nothing and less than a star.

George is washed. Middleton was actually a little better than him last year. And you save $20M this year but whopping $107M in the following two years. You would also be getting the #18 pick in this draft which should be good for a decent role player.

[Jojothewhale]

George is washed. Middleton was actually a little better than him last year. And you save $20M this year but whopping $107M in the following two years. You would also be getting the #18 pick in this draft which should be good for a decent role player.

I’ve historically loved Middleton’s game, but he doesn’t get painted with the washed brush too? PG is never going to be a star again. He also probably won’t be as bad as he was last season because at least the shot will bounce back a bit. They’re both varying degrees of cooked.

So two years from now, the Sixers might be better. But only if Embiid makes it through 2 more seasons healthy and they spend more assets on top of it? And all they lost in the meantime was 3OA? Surely you have to see the problems with that.

At least the saving pure cash angle is based in some kind of reality. I’m not in any way telling you the Wizards do it for less, but it has to make sense for every team involved. None of this passes a basic sniff test.

[zaz102]

Because the Wizards can afford to take on a bad contract during this phase of the rebuild when they only have rookie contracts on the payroll. If Philly gets George off the payroll, they can add a lot more depth in the next few years without massive luxtax consequences. In the short term, that is likely to help them more than a #3 pick in this draft that needs 2 years of development before he becomes a positive player.

Wait. You’re pitching trading away Paul George for Middleton and $20MM in salary room at the cost of 3 OA as a win now move? What? They’d just hope PG bounces back to be more than nothing and less than a star.

George is washed. Middleton was actually a little better than him last year. And you save $20M this year but whopping $107M in the following two years. You would also be getting the #18 pick in this draft which should be good for a decent role player.

I think the George is washed is overblown. Even last season he was still one of the best at shooting volume 3s at a high percentage and rebounding the ball. Also, his D was still decent. This is even with the $h!tshow the Sixers season was with injuries.

Also, in what way did Middleton have a better season than PG last year?

[nate33]

George is washed. Middleton was actually a little better than him last year. And you save $20M this year but whopping $107M in the following two years. You would also be getting the #18 pick in this draft which should be good for a decent role player.

I’ve historically loved Middleton’s game, but he doesn’t get painted with the washed brush too? PG is never going to be a star again. He also probably won’t be as bad as he was last season because at least the shot will bounce back a bit. They’re both varying degrees of cooked.

So two years from now, the Sixers might be better. But only if Embiid makes it through 2 more seasons healthy and they spend more assets on top of it? And all they lost in the meantime was 3OA? Surely you have to see the problems with that.

At least the saving pure cash angle is based in some kind of reality. I’m not in any way telling you the Wizards do it for less, but it has to make sense for every team involved. None of this passes a basic sniff test.

Yes. Middleton is washed too. But better to pay a washed guy $30M for one year instead of $150M for 3.

[the_process]

The Sixers/Wizards trade that makes more sense would be something centered around the Wizards eating Paul George's contract in exchange for the #3 pick. A Paul George for Khris Middleton trade is only a minor on-the-court drop-off but results in Philly saving $128M in salary over the next 3 seasons and probably a ton more than that after factoring the luxtax savings.

Something like Middleton plus #18 for Paul George and #3 is honestly fair. Nobody on this board will like it because fans don't care about saving money, but if Philly's owner is going to save $150M or so, that's something to consider.

Burning the 3rd pick to get worse on the court? Insanely stupid.

The hyperbole on PG's contract is off the rails.