CLE/MIL/LAL/UTA -- Giannis to CLE, Allen to LAL

[Mavrelous]

UTA sends: LAL 27
UTA receive: LAL 26 + LAL 27 swap with their top 2 picks + ( Maxi Kleber + Milton) into MLE exception.

UTA turns a 1st in a 1st in a year they have only their 1st + a swap in a year they have 2 for the price of eating 14M in salary.

LAL sends: Kleber, Vando, Knecht, Milton, LAL 26, LAL 27 swap, LAL 31 unprotected.
LAL receive: Jarret Allen, Isaac Okoro, LAL 27

LAL get a center + 3&D guard sends a swap, a 1st and Knecht, they still have Hayes early bird rights for backup center and their TPMLE to add a bench shooter instead of Knecht.
Allen/Hayes
Hachimura/DFS
LeBron
Luka/TPMLE
Reaves/Okoro

CLE sends: Mobely, Allen,Okoro, Cavs 31 1st.
CLE receive: Giannis

Add Giannis, CLE opens the TPMLE + space for vet min, can use the TPMLE on BroLo or a young center, and complete the roster with vet min.
TPMLE center/vet min center
Giannis/Hunter
Strus/Hunter/Wade
Mitchel/Strus
Garland/Merril

MIL sends: Giannis
MIL receive: Mobely + Vando into MLE + Knecht into BAE + LAL 31 1st + Cavs 31 1st.

MIL get a franchise cornerstone big + 2 1st + a prospect, they can try tank this year and NOP being unlikely to be a PO team in the west.
Or alternatively, they can sell the 2 1sts for their swaps/1st back from NOP/POR.

Another variation that include Dallas:
CLE send Wade to MIL, and eat Gafford from Dallas, while sending 3 2nds (LAL can pitch in with their 2nd), Dallas open 13M under the Apron for flexibilty and add 2nds.
CLE will be hardcaped at 2nd Apron, and very close to it, they'll only have vet mins to work with.

[axeman23]

Significant overpay for Giannis. Take Mobley out and tinker: sure...

[SkyHook]

An easy yes for Utah.

[jbk1234]

I don't want to trade places with the Bucks or Suns in two years when both Mitchell and Giannis will have player options.

[jbk1234]

An easy yes for Utah.

Exactly.

[louc1970]

I can’t justify giving up both Allen and Mobley. Switch it to Allen and Garland, moving Mobley to the 5 spot on defense.

[Mavrelous]

I can’t justify giving up both Allen and Mobley. Switch it to Allen and Garland, moving Mobley to the 5 spot on defense.

Maybe you meant switch Mobely to Garland?
I have Garland > Allen, no?

[jbk1234]

I can’t justify giving up both Allen and Mobley. Switch it to Allen and Garland, moving Mobley to the 5 spot on defense.

Maybe you meant switch Mobely to Garland?
I have Garland > Allen, no?

Yes, but from a team building exercise, Mobley is a big that doesn't have to play out of the dunker's spot which is a prerequisite to building with Giannis. Also, both Mitchell and Giannis can be a bit ball dominant so Mobley as the third key player is better from the Cavs end.

From the Bucks perspective, Garland and Allen allows them to field a competitive team while they pay off the lion's share of the pick debt. Under prior management, the Pelicans coveted Allen. They tried to trade for him three years running. So the Bucks taking back both, may allow them to pivot later with a team that owns their picks. Maybe they can test the Blazers interest in Garland down the road as well.

[Mavrelous]

I can’t justify giving up both Allen and Mobley. Switch it to Allen and Garland, moving Mobley to the 5 spot on defense.

Maybe you meant switch Mobely to Garland?
I have Garland > Allen, no?

Yes, but from a team building exercise, Mobley is a big that doesn't have to play out of the dunker's spot which is a prerequisite to building with Giannis. Also, both Mitchell and Giannis can be a bit ball dominant so Mobley as the third key player is better from the Cavs end.

From the Bucks perspective, Garland and Allen allows them to field a competitive team while they pay off the lion's share of the pick debt. Under prior management, the Pelicans coveted Allen. They tried to trade for him three years running. So the Bucks taking back both, may allow them to pivot later with a team that owns their picks. Maybe they can test the Blazers interest in Garland down the road as well.

Mobely is also significantly more valuable than both, he is the main piece for Giannis.
For Garland/Allen/Cavs 1st and Okoro into MLE, I don't think Cavs drop enough below the 2nd Apron to have a deal.

[jbk1234]

Maybe you meant switch Mobely to Garland?
I have Garland > Allen, no?

Yes, but from a team building exercise, Mobley is a big that doesn't have to play out of the dunker's spot which is a prerequisite to building with Giannis. Also, both Mitchell and Giannis can be a bit ball dominant so Mobley as the third key player is better from the Cavs end.

From the Bucks perspective, Garland and Allen allows them to field a competitive team while they pay off the lion's share of the pick debt. Under prior management, the Pelicans coveted Allen. They tried to trade for him three years running. So the Bucks taking back both, may allow them to pivot later with a team that owns their picks. Maybe they can test the Blazers interest in Garland down the road as well.

Mobely is also significantly more valuable than both, he is the main piece for Giannis.
For Garland/Allen/Cavs 1st and Okoro into MLE, I don't think Cavs drop enough below the 2nd Apron to have a deal.

I agree, but if Mobley isn't going to be offered, he's not going to be offered. If that means the Rockets finally relent, include Amen Thompson, and Giannis goes to Houston, so be it. Worst case for the Cavs is that they run back a 60-win team and Giannis likely heads West.

[Texas Chuck]

Cavs don't seem to be giving enough, which is maybe why there are all these other teams included? But Giannis is a huge upgrade over Mobley and not sure why we keep ignoring that when discussing Giannis to Cleveland?

I think this is simpler by just using Garland and Mobley. Better result for the Bucks and doesn't require all the extra teams. Giannis/Mitchell with Allen and some solid role players is the clear favorite in the East. Not sure why Cleveland wouldn't want this?

[machu46]

I can’t justify giving up both Allen and Mobley. Switch it to Allen and Garland, moving Mobley to the 5 spot on defense.

I think it's fair enough if Cleveland just doesn't want to make this big of a move; they were good enough this year to win the title IMO and the East will be weaker next season so it's there for the taking once again.

But there is no world in which Cleveland acquires Giannis without giving up Mobley. Nothing else on that team carries nearly enough value to get a Giannis deal done.

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[jbk1234]

Mobley is only 23 and under contract for 5 more seasons. i dOn'T uNDeRsTaNd wHy wE'Re iGnoRiNg tHaT

[Texas Chuck]

Mobley is only 23 and under contract for 5 more seasons. i dOn'T uNDeRsTaNd wHy wE'Re iGnoRiNg tHaT

LOL

Nobody is ignoring that. I've been over my thoughts on this with you 100x. Amused with the pettiness though.

To cover it one more time -- I value 2 seasons of Giannis a lot more than 5 seasons of Mobley. Because Giannis makes me a legit contender and a clear favorite in the conference. Mobley keeps me a level below that.

[jbk1234]

Mobley is only 23 and under contract for 5 more seasons. i dOn'T uNDeRsTaNd wHy wE'Re iGnoRiNg tHaT

LOL

Nobody is ignoring that. I've been over my thoughts on this with you 100x. Amused with the pettiness though.

Because you have a tendency to proclaim when others don't share your judgment even when reasonable people could arrive at different conclusions.

The Cavs don't own their picks for the next half decade. The very first pick owed to the Jazz will convey this summer. Both Giannis and Mitchell have player options in two years. There are three or four teams in NBA currently serving as cautionary tales against tripling down to bring in the one easy fix.

You'd offer up Mobley anyway. That's fine. Based on what Altman said yesterday, the Cavs would not. That's fine as well.

Pairing Dame with Giannis was supposed to the one easy fix for the Bucks. It didn't work out and now the Bucks are where they are.

[mcfly1204]

As structured, this deal leaves Cleveland's frontcourt so thin, where you essentially would have to play Giannis at the 5, with someone like Hunter manning the 4. Starting unit would be solid, but the lake of depth, for a team who has dealt with injuries the last few postseasons, would be very concerning.

[toooskies]

Ending up with no viable centers (besides Giannis) is no way to go unless the Cavs have a handshake deal with BroLo or Capela or whoever is out there for that TMLE spot. This sets up a big problem that if it isn't solved will definitely prevent the team from winning in the playoffs. And since the Cavs only have two years to make it work, they can't punt a year.

As far as money goes, the Cavs do get $12m under the cap but need to fill at least 5 roster spots. Let's say they fill three with rookie minimums at $1m each. Then they've got $9m to sign two guys (Merrill, TMLE starting C). I don't think you get both, I think you get one or the other.

I guess you can add Wade or Tyson going out to squeeze more room for those two but you're tightening your roster even more, and you only have two years to convince Giannis and Mitchell to keep going with this roster.

[tidho]

I don't see this as the automatic win for CLE that the value given up would suggest it should be.

CLE would still be capped, their depth is gone with no picks to buy improvement. The problem with the roster (Garland/Mitchell) is still here. I just don't see how that complete a team within the two-year window this now puts them in.