Wizards/GSW: Two potential trade ideas:

[mhd]

The Wizards were gutted with the lottery results falling to 6th. Assuming Flagg, Harper, VJ, Tre Johnson, and Ace all go 1-5 in some order, there isn't a player that pique's their interest at 6. They also own GSW's 2030 1st that is top 20 protected.

With GSW in win now mode with Jimmy and Steph near the end and no real avenue to acquire instant contributors, how about two different trade ideas:

Trade idea #1:
Wiz trade 18 for lowering the protections of the 2030 GSW 1st top 4 protected. The rationale is that with so many young players already on the roster, whomever is picked at 18th for the Wiz will not get from developmental time in the NBA. GSW in contrast get to pick a win-now contributor at 18.

Trade idea #2:
Wiz trade 6 overall to GSW for lowering the protections of the 2030 GSW 1st to top 1 protected AND 2032 GSW top 4 protected 1st. GSW need a defensive big in the worst way and decide Mauluach is the guy with his length who will be there at 6. The Wiz agree to trade away 6 for two potential lotto tickets in future years. They don't need a contributor this upcoming season as they will be tanking to ensure their 2026 1st does not convey to the Knicks (it is top 8 protected).

[axeman23]

Both significant overpays by the Dubs. Yes, they're probably in win-now mode, but there's better ways to improve than this.

[axeman23]

6 AND 18 MIGHT get them to go from top 20 protection to Top 1/2, if someone worthwhile falls. They CERTAINLY wouldn't add ANOTHER Top 4 protected pick in the post-Steph/Jimmy error for the privelege of picking 6th...

[NW]

Neither of those picks are worth basically clearing all protection for a first round pick in the post Steph era

[giberish]

The problem is that incoming rookies aren't going to help a team with a 1 or maybe 2 year timeframe, while by 2030 GS expects to be in full rebuild mode.

[gswhoops]

The first deal is a non-starter. I might drop the protections from top-20 to like, top-10 for the 18th pick.

The second deal is also a pretty significant overpay, but might be viable if we had a deal already lined up to turn #6 into a win-now player. Maluach is a nice prospect but the odds that he's better as a rookie than a veteran big like a Steven Adams or Brook Lopez are pretty small.

[mhd]

The first deal is a non-starter. I might drop the protections from top-20 to like, top-10 for the 18th pick.

The second deal is also a pretty significant overpay, but might be viable if we had a deal already lined up to turn #6 into a win-now player. Maluach is a nice prospect but the odds that he's better as a rookie than a veteran big like a Steven Adams or Brook Lopez are pretty small.

Yeah, you're probably right. The value of a lotto pick like the 6th pick is what Minnesota traded for Dillingham last year (the 8th pick). SAS got an unprotected 2031 first and top 1 protected swap rights for 2030. So a future unprotected 1st and top 1 swap rights (either a year before or after) is the value for a pick like the 6th pick.

Would GSW make the 2030 1st (which is top 20 protected, otherwise converts to a 2030 2nd) unprotected and give the Wiz top 1 protected 2031 swap rights? Probably no given the timelines of Curry & Jimmy. But, that is the value for a team to trade away the 6th pick altogether.

[Lenneth]

No reason for Warriors to do either trade.

Currently, 2030 pick is one of "Probably not going to be conveyed, and if it's conveyed, so be it" type of pick, since it will be the 2nd rounder if not conveyed. If Warriors lower the pick to the top 4, Warriors will be in danger of giving up a great pick for this year's 18th pick. It's just not going to happen.

The same goes with the 2nd proposal or the 3rd one. For this year's 6th pick, Warriors are in danger of giving up two great first rounders. Considering how Warriors protected their draft picks, I doubt Warriors will do that. Warriors are a very old team with no luxury of developing rookies.

[gswhoops]

The first deal is a non-starter. I might drop the protections from top-20 to like, top-10 for the 18th pick.

The second deal is also a pretty significant overpay, but might be viable if we had a deal already lined up to turn #6 into a win-now player. Maluach is a nice prospect but the odds that he's better as a rookie than a veteran big like a Steven Adams or Brook Lopez are pretty small.

Yeah, you're probably right. The value of a lotto pick like the 6th pick is what Minnesota traded for Dillingham last year (the 8th pick). SAS got an unprotected 2031 first and top 1 protected swap rights for 2030. So a future unprotected 1st and top 1 swap rights (either a year before or after) is the value for a pick like the 6th pick.

Would GSW make the 2030 1st (which is top 20 protected, otherwise converts to a 2030 2nd) unprotected and give the Wiz top 1 protected 2031 swap rights? Probably no given the timelines of Curry & Jimmy. But, that is the value for a team to trade away the 6th pick altogether.

Yeah I mean this is the fundamental problem right here. It made sense for the Wolves to pay a premium for a rookie because their superstar is 23. They have time to develop Rob, and Ant is still going to be in his prime when those picks convey. We're in a very different boat. We don't have time to wait around for a rookie to develop into a positive impact player (and 99% of rookies are not positive impact players on a playoff team in year 1) and those picks are going to convey well after Steph (and Jimmy/Draymond) retire.

The Wizards would want to make this deal for the same reasons we wouldn't - there's no premium prospects available at 6 and those unprotected post-Steph picks are likely to be very high. Now if Bailey or Edgecombe fall to 6 for some reason then we might be interested (but then you probably wouldn't).