BOS / MIA / SAS / BKN: Fox to MIA, Jrue / KP / Draft Cap to SAS

[williambh3]

BOS
Out: Holiday, Porzingis, BOS 2027 #1
In: Keldon, Jaquez (~$40m cap savings + taxes)

MIA
Out: Rozier, Jaquez, #20, 2030 1st, 2032 1st (i think this can be traded now?), 2029 and 2031 swaps
In: Fox

SAS
Out: Fox, Keldon
In: Holiday, Porzingis, BOS 2027 #1, MIA 2030 #1, MIA 2032 #1, MIA 2029 and 2031 swaps

BKN
Out: Nothing
In: Rozier, #20

***draft capital edited based on feedback***

Boston saves ~$40m in 2025-6 cap, plus whatever that means in taxes, getting all the way down to more or less the 2nd apron. Adds two young rotation pieces.

Miami adds a third UK star and becomes a strong contender in the weak East next year. I've seen other versions of this on the board, and apparently Ware is close to untouchable, so I think this is pretty much the only Miami deal that might work value-wise for Fox.

San Antonio downgrades from Fox to aging Jrue on a risky three-year deal, but he's way more versatile next to Harper and Castle as they prepare to take over the playmaking reigns. As compensation they also get Porzingis, who can fit next to Wemby in a double unicorn matchup nightmare lineup and fill the non-Wemby minutes with a reasonable imitation - when healthy of course. Plus picks and swaps to basically match what they traded for Fox, gives them the assets to acquire cheap players and extend title window when the young core gets expensive. San Antonio does right by Fox as it's better for him to join his groomsman Bam on a contending team in Miami where he's more likely to get paid now that Harper is headed to San Antonio.

Brooklyn absorbs $26m for one year since FA this year is looking pretty tame. Also could sub in some combo of Sochan + swaps / 2nds if preferred.

[brackdan70]

BOS
Out: Holiday, Porzingis
In: Keldon, Jaquez, #20 (~$40m cap savings + taxes)

MIA
Out: Rozier, Jaquez, #20, 2030 1st, 2029 and 2031 swaps
In: Fox

SAS
Out: Fox, Keldon
In: Holiday, Porzingis, MIA 2029 and 2031 swaps

BKN
Out: Nothing
In: Rozier, MIA 2030 1st

Boston saves ~$40m in 2025-6 cap, plus whatever that means in taxes, getting all the way down to more or less the 2nd apron. Adds two young rotation pieces and a pick this year. Lots of trades like this on the board since the injury, but I think this is the best value / fit for Boston I've seen so far, if sad.

Miami adds a third UK star and becomes a strong contender in the weak East next year. I've seen other versions of this on the board, and apparently Ware is close to untouchable, so I think this is pretty much the only Miami deal that might work value-wise for Fox. Including the Boston salary bailout here makes it a much better win-now deal for San Antonio.

San Antonio downgrades from Fox to aging Jrue on a risky three-year deal, but he's way more versatile next to Harper and Castle as they prepare to take over the playmaking reigns. As compensation they also get Porzingis, who can fit next to Wemby in a double unicorn matchup nightmare lineup and fill the non-Wemby minutes with a reasonable imitation - when healthy of course. Plus those swaps might be juicy. San Antonio does right by Fox as it's better for him to join his groomsman Bam on a contending team in Miami where he's more likely to get paid now that Harper is headed to San Antonio.

Brooklyn absorbs $26m for one year since FA this year is looking pretty tame. Also could sub in some combo of Sochan + swaps / 2nds if preferred or if the pick is too much value, I don't really know.

#20 needs to go to the Spurs and The Celtics probably need to add more value….IDK if it’s a first but at least some seconds.

[williambh3]

To the extent this is light for San Antonio and they come away with more draft capital to replace what they traded for Fox, I think it becomes a no-brainer for them. Fit is so good. Think it’s probably the right direction / value for the other teams too.

[Skybox]

I like SAS exploring trading Fox...but not for this

[Chinook]

The Spurs aren't trading Fox unless

a) He's asking for it and has told them he won't re-sign

or

b) They give the Fox/Castle/Harper trio a year or two to gel and come to the conclusion they'd be better off trading Fox

I'm not a person who is keen on talking about where Fox will re-sign. But if he's dealt at this point, it becomes all the more likely that he'll end up being a real risk to go elsewhere after the season. If he wants to extend, you don't try to solve a problem that doesn't exist by moving him. I have no confidence that Castle and Harper are going to run a serious PG rotation next season. MAYBE if Wemby was going to be out to start the season and the Spurs wanted a fourth big bite at the lottery, there'd be some logic in trying to get worse. But right now, there's not.

I can't help but feel like this trade was made to help Boston, and the rest of it was put in to justify that. The Spurs don't want Jrue (although I love him) and KP. Holiday could have made sense next to Fox in a scenario where the Spurs didn't of the sudden have two young PGs. But he's not worth the squeeze at this point. Porzingas may never play at a high level again, and while he fits better next to Wemby than some players people propose, he's a negative contract that isn't being treated like it.

If the Spurs wanted to trade Fox and Miami wanted to acquire him, there's zero reason to involve the other teams.

[wemby]

SAS
Out: Fox, Keldon
In: Holiday, Porzingis, MIA 2029 and 2031 swaps

Jrue is on a negative contract, Porzingis is expiring and injured, and those swaps are not that enticing. Really underwhelming, I might rather let Fox walk than taking this package back.

[williambh3]

Porzingis is sick, not injured. Yes he’s injury prone, but he’s played more games over the past 6 years than Durant has. He’s not Durant, but he would bring many of the same things to SA for a fraction of the price in $ and assets. 7 years younger.

I don’t agree that Jrue is on a negative contract, at least for the first two years. He had a down year shooting after an unusually good one, still great multi position defense, steady ballhandling, leadership. They rested him a bit more this year. Think he still has playmaking juice, that just hasn’t been his role with Boston.

If you send #20 to Brooklyn and the Miami pick to San Antonio, that’s not far from the pick package they gave up for Fox, plus Jrue and Porzingis.

[wemby]

Porzingis is sick, not injured. Yes he’s injury prone, but he’s played more games over the past 6 years than Durant has. He’s not Durant, but he would bring many of the same things to SA for a fraction of the price in $ and assets. 7 years younger.

I don’t agree that Jrue is on a negative contract, at least for the first two years. He had a down year shooting after an unusually good one, still great multi position defense, steady ballhandling, leadership. They rested him a bit more this year. Think he still has playmaking juice, that just hasn’t been his role with Boston.

If you send #20 to Brooklyn and the Miami pick to San Antonio, that’s not far from the pick package they gave up for Fox, plus Jrue and Porzingis.

Jrue is on a 32, 35, 37 million contract, Spurs want no part of that plus he doesn't fit with Castle. Porzingis is talented but injured, redundant, and expiring. Miami swaps aren't really enticing. I don't think Spurs move Fox, and if they did, it wouldn't be for this kind of package, which does not help the Spurs in any way.

[One_and_Done]

The Spurs aren't trading Fox, and certainly not for this.

[ReggiesKnicks]

This is too good for Brooklyn.

[drchaos]

This is too good for Brooklyn.

No, it really isn't.

Houston controls the Nets first rounder in 2027.

They really need to go big game hunting next Summer and this contract is not doing them any favors.

The Nets are not going to bail out a division rival for free.

[brackdan70]

***draft capital edited based on feeback***

BOS
Out: Holiday, Porzingis, BOS 2028 #1
In: Keldon, Jaquez (~$40m cap savings + taxes)

MIA
Out: Rozier, Jaquez, #20, 2030 1st, 2029 and 2031 swaps
In: Fox

SAS
Out: Fox, Keldon
In: Holiday, Porzingis, BOS 2028 #1, MIA 2030 #1, MIA 2029 and 2031 swaps

BKN
Out: Nothing
In: Rozier, #20

Boston saves ~$40m in 2025-6 cap, plus whatever that means in taxes, getting all the way down to more or less the 2nd apron. Adds two young rotation pieces.

Miami adds a third UK star and becomes a strong contender in the weak East next year. I've seen other versions of this on the board, and apparently Ware is close to untouchable, so I think this is pretty much the only Miami deal that might work value-wise for Fox. Including the Boston salary bailout here makes it a much better win-now deal for San Antonio.

San Antonio downgrades from Fox to aging Jrue on a risky three-year deal, but he's way more versatile next to Harper and Castle as they prepare to take over the playmaking reigns. As compensation they also get Porzingis, who can fit next to Wemby in a double unicorn matchup nightmare lineup and fill the non-Wemby minutes with a reasonable imitation - when healthy of course. Plus picks and swaps. San Antonio does right by Fox as it's better for him to join his groomsman Bam on a contending team in Miami where he's more likely to get paid now that Harper is headed to San Antonio.

Brooklyn absorbs $26m for one year since FA this year is looking pretty tame. Also could sub in some combo of Sochan + swaps / 2nds if preferred.

Spurs already own swap rights for Bostons 2028 pick and also Boston owes their 2029 pick to Portland so can’t trade 2028.
Make it pick 28 in This draft.
I still think Spurs need more from Miami. Can you make one of those swaps an unprotected 1st?

[williambh3]

This is too good for Brooklyn.

No, it really isn't.

Houston controls the Nets first rounder in 2027.

They really need to go big game hunting next Summer and this contract is not doing them any favors.

The Nets are not going to bail out a division rival for free.

Contract is off the books next summer

[wemby]

Spurs already own swap rights for Bostons 2028 pick and also Boston owes their 2029 pick to Portland so can’t trade 2028.
Make it pick 28 in This draft.
I still think Spurs need more from Miami. Can you make one of those swaps an unprotected 1st?

It's not just about those Heat picks, this framework is beyond salvation for the Spurs.

[williambh3]

Spurs already own swap rights for Bostons 2028 pick and also Boston owes their 2029 pick to Portland so can’t trade 2028.
Make it pick 28 in This draft.
I still think Spurs need more from Miami. Can you make one of those swaps an unprotected 1st?

It's not just about those Heat picks, this framework is beyond salvation for the Spurs.

I don’t get this. If you can get the entire Fox pick package back, move on from $35m of Keldon who may not crack the rotation this year, and surround the three youngsters with shooting, efficient scoring, great defense, leadership, versatility on/off ball, championship experience, etc… I don’t think that is “beyond salvation.”

Spurs definitely don’t have to trade Fox, but there may be better options than signing him to a massive extension now that they have both Harper and Castle. Hope they don’t get “Haliburtoned”

[wemby]

Spurs already own swap rights for Bostons 2028 pick and also Boston owes their 2029 pick to Portland so can’t trade 2028.
Make it pick 28 in This draft.
I still think Spurs need more from Miami. Can you make one of those swaps an unprotected 1st?

It's not just about those Heat picks, this framework is beyond salvation for the Spurs.

I don’t get this. If you can get the entire Fox pick package back, move on from $35m of Keldon who may not crack the rotation this year, and surround the three youngsters with shooting, efficient scoring, great defense, leadership, versatility on/off ball, championship experience, etc… I don’t think that is “beyond salvation.”

Spurs definitely don’t have to trade Fox, but there may be better options than signing him to a massive extension now that they have both Harper and Castle. Hope they don’t get “Haliburtoned”

1) You're not getting the entire Fox pick package
2) Even if you did, that doesn't mean Spurs should sell at what they bought, if the price they paid was lower than value
3) This includes salary ballast Spurs don't need or want (mainly Jrue, Porzingis you could convince me of taking a chance on).
4) Keldon absolutely cracks the rotation, unless you get your info from RealGM groupthink that regurgitates opinions about players they probably don't watch.

This trade proposal doesn't care about Spurs needs or interests, they're included here for convenience as a dumping ground for Jrue and to extract value from them in Fox. You're not a Spurs fan, you're trying to shove an offer down their throat which is clearly not in their best interest. Lets not be disingenuous here. If they did trade Fox (I don't think so) it wouldn't be for this framework, which is why I said this was "beyond salvation": patching it with some minor draft capital doesn't change the backbone of the deal.

[williambh3]

I’m not trying to put anything down anyone’s throat I get it, you don’t think this is the right direction for your team. I actually started this with Spurs in mind when I noticed that the C’s fire sale could create an interesting opportunity for them to have their cake and eat it too. I was clearly off board perception for Jrue and Porzingis, but still think they could be a great fit.

I think this really comes down to different perceptions of Jrue, Fox, and maybe Harper.

IMO Jrue probably has negative value if you need immediate cap space, but might return value in exchange for a matching expiring. Had a down year shooting 3s after a career year, answer is probably in the middle. Had an above average year from 2, best ever FT. Don’t think he lost his shooting touch. I think he can still be a solid offensive hub if that’s has role. Still clearly an elite 3D role player, which is his current role. Porzingis has similar versatility. That’s why I like fit for Spurs - they can ramp up useage with good efficiency if the young ones arent ready, and become elite role players when they are.

Fox is excellent, proven at high useage, but he’s not that efficient offensively outside of the outlier three years ago. Not a good enough shooter to play off ball. Good defender but not nearly as versatile as Jrue. Fox is obviously higher value, but that can be baked into the price. Giving someone like him a max deal when you might have better young playmakers on the roster could be a mistake IMO.

I think Harper is going to be a star, probably by year 2 if given the opportunity. People are worried about his shooting but I’m not - he’s going to be good there. Great prospect.

[hugepatsfan]

I think Jrue makes some sense for SA if they did move Fox, not necessarily in this. I understand why Jrue's contract is seen as bad, but this devaluing of him on the court is over the top. He's still great and worth $32.4M. He's not overpaid in the short term, it's just too long a contract length to bet on that continuing at his age, hence negative trade value. But for SA, they can reap the rewards of him still being great and by the time decline really kicks in year 3, he's expiring filler to use with their million picks in a deal.

I'd be surprised if they moved Fox, but if they do, I think Jrue's a great fit for them. Reap the short term reward and get some form of compensation for it.

[BBallFreak]

For Miami, yeah, I guess. I don't love giving up 3 first round picks but it makes you better instantly. I'd resign Mitchell and run with:

Pg: Fox / Mitchell
Sg: Herro / Larsson
Sf: Wiggins / Highsmith
Pf: Bam / Jovic
Cc: Ware

[psman2]

IF SA was to trade Fox then I wouldn't have the Jrue contract as negative there as I would for a lot other teams. I think Jrue is more likely to take a mentorship role to help foster the growth of Castle and Harper. Likely by the time SA are ready to make a bigger push and make a trade Jrue will be expiring matching contract that likely won't be a big obstacle to include in a trade. I think rethinking the Fox trade is something they should now consider with their new found money in Harper, Fox on a big deal could turn sour. I also understand not wanting to bake in stardom already for Harper and taking the more prudent approach of keeping Fox and letting Harper show out before making a big change. IMO I would take this Miami offer.

Boston likely makes out a little too well here though, Jaquez likely stays in SA if desired at all. Maybe they have to include 32+ too.