Giannis to Philadelphia (w/NOP and POR)

[mattg]

If the Bucks are trading Giannis to Philly and Philly is giving up Maxey then the Bucks have to be getting Maxey or the deal is absolutely dead right there no matter what else you're going to try and add on the margins. This trade is overly complex when it really should be Maxey/salary filler/picks for Giannis/salary filler.

I dont see why the Bucks would prefer Maxey to picks.

Because he's a 24 year old proven 25ppg scoring all star guard? It's honestly completely baffling that you can't see why the Bucks would prefer the 24 year old proven commodity over a handful of picks that even if they are high picks likely never even amount to a single player as good as Maxey is right now. Maxey has more value than the #3 pick in this draft easily, this draft is Flagg and then a cliff.

This isn't about not wanting to trade Giannis, it's about another Giannis trade where somehow the Bucks aren't even getting the best asset being exchanged despite giving up an in his prime MVP caliber player. It's just objectively a bad deal that fundamentally doesn't make any sense.

[babyjax13]

If the Bucks are trading Giannis to Philly and Philly is giving up Maxey then the Bucks have to be getting Maxey or the deal is absolutely dead right there no matter what else you're going to try and add on the margins. This trade is overly complex when it really should be Maxey/salary filler/picks for Giannis/salary filler.

I dont see why the Bucks would prefer Maxey to picks.

Because he's a 24 year old proven 25ppg scoring all star guard? It's honestly completely baffling that you can't see why the Bucks would prefer the 24 year old proven commodity over a handful of picks that even if they are high picks likely never even amount to a single player as good as Maxey is right now. Maxey has more value than the #3 pick in this draft easily, this draft is Flagg and then a cliff.

This isn't about not wanting to trade Giannis, it's about another Giannis trade where somehow the Bucks aren't even getting the best asset being exchanged despite giving up an in his prime MVP caliber player. It's just objectively a bad deal that fundamentally doesn't make any sense.

New Orleans is sending what is essentially 4 lottery picks, several will be top 8 if Milwaukee bottoms out. Milwaukee should prefer control of their picks.

[mattg]

I dont see why the Bucks would prefer Maxey to picks.

Because he's a 24 year old proven 25ppg scoring all star guard? It's honestly completely baffling that you can't see why the Bucks would prefer the 24 year old proven commodity over a handful of picks that even if they are high picks likely never even amount to a single player as good as Maxey is right now. Maxey has more value than the #3 pick in this draft easily, this draft is Flagg and then a cliff.

This isn't about not wanting to trade Giannis, it's about another Giannis trade where somehow the Bucks aren't even getting the best asset being exchanged despite giving up an in his prime MVP caliber player. It's just objectively a bad deal that fundamentally doesn't make any sense.

New Orleans is sending what is essentially 4 lottery picks, several will be top 8 if Milwaukee bottoms out. Milwaukee should prefer control of their picks.

I completely understand the situation Milwaukee is in as a Bucks fan, this isn't some big brain trade that ignorant casuals can't grasp or something.

If you want the Bucks to get their picks back as the main value return for trading Giannis and plan on bottoming out then they flat out aren't taking on salary from both Paul George AND Dejounte Murray who also impede fully bottoming out by being capable vets who if healthy can actually win games. Like this is so obviously a bad deal for Milwaukee all the way around.

Any Giannis to Philly deal starts with Tyrese Maxey going to Milwaukee or it's completely DOA, it's that simple. Your perception of value on these assets is obviously wrong which is the consistent feedback you're getting from multiple fanbases in this thread.

[Chinook]

If you want the Bucks to get their picks back as the main value return for trading Giannis and plan on bottoming out then they flat out aren't taking on salary from both Paul George AND Dejounte Murray who also impede fully bottoming out by being capable vets who if healthy can actually win games.

I don't actually agree with this. With the flattening of lotto odds, a team no longer needs to fully bottom out. It would be much more helpful to Milwaukee long term to take on vets whom they could rehabilitate and filp for additional assets. Think of Paul for OKC or Kurt Thomas for Seattle. That's even more true on a Bucks team that is currently seen as Giannis and not much else. The Bucks will likely want to find a way to get more value out of the rest of their vets and need them to play reasonably well to accomplish that.

[HornetJail]

i like the idea... let's simplify it

PHI out: PG, Maxey, #3, 2 future PHI 1sts, and a swap
PHI in: Giannis, Dejounte

NOP out: #7, 2026 MIL/NOP swap, 2027 MIL/NOP 1st, Dejounte
NOP in: Maxey

MIL trades: Giannis
MIL receives: PG, #3, #7, own 2026 and 27 picks 1sts, 2 future PHI 1sts, 2 swaps (2027 MIL, 2028 PHI)

Lets Milwaukee start over with let's say Ace Bailey, Jaku/Fears, and all their own picks returned for the following 3 years. Barring a trade for someone who is already a high caliber star (better than Maxey) idk what more the Bucks could want.

[Foshan]

This would be foolish for Philly. Philly is a bottom dweller without Maxey and a half-healthy Embiid. If they cannot add Giannis to Maxey/Embiid (which I don’t really want TBH), then there is no point.

[babyjax13]

Because he's a 24 year old proven 25ppg scoring all star guard? It's honestly completely baffling that you can't see why the Bucks would prefer the 24 year old proven commodity over a handful of picks that even if they are high picks likely never even amount to a single player as good as Maxey is right now. Maxey has more value than the #3 pick in this draft easily, this draft is Flagg and then a cliff.

This isn't about not wanting to trade Giannis, it's about another Giannis trade where somehow the Bucks aren't even getting the best asset being exchanged despite giving up an in his prime MVP caliber player. It's just objectively a bad deal that fundamentally doesn't make any sense.

New Orleans is sending what is essentially 4 lottery picks, several will be top 8 if Milwaukee bottoms out. Milwaukee should prefer control of their picks.

I completely understand the situation Milwaukee is in as a Bucks fan, this isn't some big brain trade that ignorant casuals can't grasp or something.

If you want the Bucks to get their picks back as the main value return for trading Giannis and plan on bottoming out then they flat out aren't taking on salary from both Paul George AND Dejounte Murray who also impede fully bottoming out by being capable vets who if healthy can actually win games. Like this is so obviously a bad deal for Milwaukee all the way around.

Any Giannis to Philly deal starts with Tyrese Maxey going to Milwaukee or it's completely DOA, it's that simple. Your perception of value on these assets is obviously wrong which is the consistent feedback you're getting from multiple fanbases in this thread.

I just disagree that Maxey is a better asset than returning those picks. For a team trading a generational star there is nothing more important than control over your own picks. What do you realistically think the upside of a team is with Maxey as its best player and no control over its own picks until 2031?

I will be posting a simplified version of this in the future that attempts to fix some of the problems (e.g., no Portland seems to be consensus) but I do think this is among the best pool of assets possible for Milwaukee.