Giannis to Spurs & KD to TWolves

[jredsaz]

How many threads does this make where third-party fans propose a Giannis-to-SA trade that neither Spurs fans nor Bucks fans want? Yet we're in here spending our finite time on this planet arguing over which side shouldn't want it the most.

It feels like Trae Young all over again where folks are trying to will the Spurs to be interested because they assume they "ought to be". To be clear, the Spurs haven't given an indication they're interested in KD either, and fans can speculate on what they want. It just feels weird that the Spurs are easily the most projected team in these trades despite no Spurs fans every making the threads and plenty of other teams that would seem to be better fits for multiple factors.

Could you give us a list of all the players the Spurs are interested in trading for then?

It’s true! The Spurs are in a position to make a huge move and that will draw super star player level ideas on a board devoted to talking about trades. Is there a possibly available star level player the spurs would make a move for?

[eric365]

Giannis is great and probably worth a ton

But no way the spurs give up #2, Castle, #14, Barnes, Sochan, the 2027 atlanta pick and another futur pick

The spurs will make a deal only if it’s reasonnable like with Fox and SAC

Yeah, this isn’t a Fox deal. It’s for Giannis. If the Spurs want him they’ll have to pay.

Obviously it will take more than what the spurs gave for Fox

But if a trade is done, there will be a lot less that what the bucks fans expect

The same way SAC fans expected Castle, Vassell, tha ATL picks etc and got way less

And Giannis being worth so much, it probably means he won’t be traded to the spurs

[Chinook]

How many threads does this make where third-party fans propose a Giannis-to-SA trade that neither Spurs fans nor Bucks fans want? Yet we're in here spending our finite time on this planet arguing over which side shouldn't want it the most.

It feels like Trae Young all over again where folks are trying to will the Spurs to be interested because they assume they "ought to be". To be clear, the Spurs haven't given an indication they're interested in KD either, and fans can speculate on what they want. It just feels weird that the Spurs are easily the most projected team in these trades despite no Spurs fans every making the threads and plenty of other teams that would seem to be better fits for multiple factors.

Could you give us a list of all the players the Spurs are interested in trading for then?

It’s true! The Spurs are in a position to make a huge move and that will draw super star player level ideas on a board devoted to talking about trades. Is there a possibly available star level player the spurs would make a move for?

Spoiler:

It's important to understand that the Spurs aren't in a "position to make a huge move". They don't have any extra picks besides 14 (because I guess we need to keep clarifying to fans that you can't trade swaps from other teams). Wemby has/had a career-threatening condition, and even before that how he looked in games did not match what folks would get from looking at a box score or highlights. He spent much of the year regressed from the end of his rookie season and being a negative on the floor. He figured it out eventually, but he's not out of those woods yet.

So before they talk about giving up their regular picks and committing to max salaries, they need to see how Victor comes back, both health-wise and in terms of his play on the court. They're far more likely to make a big deal at the deadline than in the summer.

A lot of Spurs fans want to clear out/upgrade parts of the rotation. Assuming the Spurs take Harper at 2, if they take a center at 14, they may have their entire rotation basically set.

Fox, Harper
Vassell, Champagnie
Castle, Johnson
Barnes, Sochan
Wembanyama, 14 (Queen, Flemming, Sorber, etc)

A lot of Spurs fans would consider this to be a bad scenario because of how little change there was to a team that wasn't on track to make the playoffs even before Victor went down. It's definitely an upgrade in talent, but you can't count on rookies to be positive rotation players. So the idea of trading to upgrade the wing/forward positions is appealing. But they're not looking for stars -- most folks are in agreement that a Giannis trade would be bad based on the price, and while I like a KD trade, many Spurs fans believe his age is a weakness rather than a strength.

(I spoilered a preamble rant about the position the Spurs are in with respect to big trades. It may provide some context as to why Spurs fans mostly don't seem to want to make a star trade right now, but it would distract from the question asked.)

I think they're looking at non-star players who can play the three or four, especially those who have short-term contracts they can absorb and be rid of before the extensions start kicking in. Cam Johnson, John Collins, Royce O'Neale and PJ Washington are examples of players Spurs fans are targeting (even though I'm not as enthused about all them)

[wemby]

The Conley/Sochan piece made the money work for the Suns. Honestly, I expect huge trades this offseason involving tons or teams in order to help facilitate the apron rules.

Why would the Spurs give up value in Sochan for the money to work for the Suns, when they don't benefit at all from their inclusion (rather the opposite is true)? Because you are a Suns fan and want to move KD? The link between the two trades is completely artificial and your explanation further reffirms this, this is two separate trades with more moving parts than necessary.

I disagree that it’s an overpay. Giannis is 100% worth this value. I can agree that the Spurs might not want to spend this much at this point in Wemby career.

Yeah, easy to say so when it isn't the Suns giving up all of that.

It does make the money work for the Suns and Wolves. Sochan could get sent to the Bucks instead and separate the deals. Suns/Wolves could find a different third and maybe fourth team. Okay, fine. It’s not like Sochan has a ton of value.

If I were the Spurs I wouldn’t trade for Giannis. It will cost more than I’d want to give up. That doesn’t make it an over pay. Giannis is worth that value. Get over Caslte Its Gianni’s.

Your proposal has the Spurs dumping Sochan for the benefit of another team (Suns) which is otherwise unrelated to their target (Giannis), and they benefit nothing form it. That's my point here: regardless of what you think of Sochan, Spurs aren't going to send him to the Suns for no compensation, out of the kindness of their heart. I can disagree with direction or value, but this sort of thing makes the framework feel unserious.

[jredsaz]

Why would the Spurs give up value in Sochan for the money to work for the Suns, when they don't benefit at all from their inclusion (rather the opposite is true)? Because you are a Suns fan and want to move KD? The link between the two trades is completely artificial and your explanation further reffirms this, this is two separate trades with more moving parts than necessary.

Yeah, easy to say so when it isn't the Suns giving up all of that.

It does make the money work for the Suns and Wolves. Sochan could get sent to the Bucks instead and separate the deals. Suns/Wolves could find a different third and maybe fourth team. Okay, fine. It’s not like Sochan has a ton of value.

If I were the Spurs I wouldn’t trade for Giannis. It will cost more than I’d want to give up. That doesn’t make it an over pay. Giannis is worth that value. Get over Caslte Its Gianni’s.

Your proposal has the Spurs dumping Sochan for the benefit of another team (Suns) which is otherwise unrelated to their target (Giannis), and they benefit nothing form it. That's my point here: regardless of what you think of Sochan, Spurs aren't going to send him to the Suns for no compensation, out of the kindness of their heart. I can disagree with direction or value, but this sort of thing makes the framework feel unserious.

You may be taking things around here a little too seriously I’ve said it multiple times you criticism is noted and I get it. Hopefully you get my point that the total value paid out by the Spurs for Giannis is not an over pay. It might be more than what you would like to pay but Giannis is worth the value.