Rudy Gobert Value?

[NYG]

Hawks seem to make sense?

[LightTheBeam]

He helps anchor the team, but I agree that Naz/Randle are the better long term fits for the team. And he does have matchups that he gets played off the court which is rough for a 35 million a year guy.

I really like him in LA. They need an anchor and someone who can catch lobs from Luka.

Minnesota out: Gobert, Minot, Garza, Leonard Miller
Minnesota in: Rui, JV, Vincent

LA out: Vincent, Rui, Vando
LA in: Gobert, Garza, Miller

Sac out: JV
Sac in: Minot, Vando

Kings can be swapped for another 3rd team, but I wanted to get Minnesota a backup big and makes the money easier for both teams.

Naz/JV
Randle/Rui
McDaniels/Shannon
Ant/DDV
Vincent/Conley/Dillingham

Gobert doesn't have been played off in the playoffs for the Wolves. This is a horrible offer for the Wolves.

If we moved Rudy we absolutely need a defensive bigman. Naz and Julius offer no rim protection, and Naz has been terrible defensively. Wolves would likely be trying to get a PG upgrade, or save money long term if they're moving Rudy. Or making some big move for say a Durant. I dont see them moving him.

I personally don't get the boards love for Gobert. 8pts 9rbs in the playoffs, getting paid 35 million, and he's questionable to be in the teams best closing lineup. If he was making 20 i'd understand, but he does not deserve to be paid like the 2nd best player on a team. He's also about to be 33 years ago, and those big dudes typically fall off a cliff when that lateral ability goes. I cannot imagine Minnesota is going to get back some ransom.

As a fan of Ant and the Wolves in general, I hope they trade Gobert and commit to Naz. As a Kings fan who'd like to see west teams get weaker, I hope Naz walks in free agency because they committed so much to gobert.

[jayjaysee]

It doesn’t go with the OP, but I still like Minn making Rudy/Sabonis swap work.

[Domejandro]

It doesn’t go with the OP, but I still like Minn making Rudy/Sabonis swap work.

I would absolutely be interested in this as a Minnesota fan, but it's hard to see any (reasonable) pathway to Sacramento being open to it.

[Godaddycurse]

It doesn’t go with the OP, but I still like Minn making Rudy/Sabonis swap work.

Sabonis and Randle sound like a terrible combo. Reid/Sabonis doesnt sound too hot either (on D)

[schaffy]

What would you be looking for? We have picks galore.

Rim running shot blocking defensive center has always been my favorite archetype.

If we flip Sengun somewhere, maybe for a classic PnR guard, I'd love to nab Rudy.

Would need a defensive center back, so would probably have to be a 3 team trade.

Collin Murray Boyles? at pick ten, right there for you.

The guy who measured 6'6.5" at the combine? That's... suboptimal

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[shrink]

He helps anchor the team, but I agree that Naz/Randle are the better long term fits for the team. And he does have matchups that he gets played off the court which is rough for a 35 million a year guy.

I really like him in LA. They need an anchor and someone who can catch lobs from Luka.

Minnesota out: Gobert, Minot, Garza, Leonard Miller
Minnesota in: Rui, JV, Vincent

LA out: Vincent, Rui, Vando
LA in: Gobert, Garza, Miller

Sac out: JV
Sac in: Minot, Vando

Kings can be swapped for another 3rd team, but I wanted to get Minnesota a backup big and makes the money easier for both teams.

Naz/JV
Randle/Rui
McDaniels/Shannon
Ant/DDV
Vincent/Conley/Dillingham

Gobert doesn't have been played off in the playoffs for the Wolves. This is a horrible offer for the Wolves.

If we moved Rudy we absolutely need a defensive bigman. Naz and Julius offer no rim protection, and Naz has been terrible defensively. Wolves would likely be trying to get a PG upgrade, or save money long term if they're moving Rudy. Or making some big move for say a Durant. I dont see them moving him.

I personally don't get the boards love for Gobert.

Well, you did say he gets “played off the floor,” so I’m not surprised you don’t get it.

[ReggiesKnicks]

His value is far greater to Minnesota or any team who values him for his on-court impact than that of some fans who after a decade still fail to comprehend his impact and bring up a random sample of box-scores to try to sway their lack of understanding in order to sell their disbelief of a hall of fame center.

I wonder what these same people said about the 76ers trading for Mutombo in 2001, who was literally 2 years to the day (minus 1) years older than Gobert.

[Astaluego]

His value is far greater to Minnesota or any team who values him for his on-court impact than that of some fans who after a decade still fail to comprehend his impact and bring up a random sample of box-scores to try to sway their lack of understanding in order to sell their disbelief of a hall of fame center.

I wonder what these same people said about the 76ers trading for Mutombo in 2001, who was literally 2 years to the day (minus 1) years older than Gobert.

I'm speaking from memory, but I think he's the 4th player in minutes for the WOLVES in the Playoffs (behind Ant/Randle/McDaniels) while having the second highest salary and the furthest away from Edwards on the timeline. Of course, he's a very good player, but considering payroll + age + skill set + holes in other areas (like replacing Conley, for example), in my opinion, he's the most replaceable...
Jrue/Okongwu to WOLVES


T. Mann/Conley to BOSTON

Gobert to HAWKS

[MoreyWins]

I thought he extended for a number less than what it is. I thought it was in the $20,000,000 range and not at $35,000,000. I can't imagine a world where the Rockets make an offer. Steven Adams gives us more than Gobert on a per minute basis at a fraction of the cost. Even in Lars' dream of the Rockets trading Sengun for Giannis, he doesn't make sense next to Giannis. At least with bigs like Sengun and Adams they have the passing ability, hands, elite offensive rebounding, court-mapping ability, and short range finishing ability to make it work next to Giannis. He's more suited on a team with at least one All-Star caliber guard and shooters around the court.

[SlimShady83]

Gafford, Washington, 2029 LAL 1st?

Lakers are getting Gafford

[LightTheBeam]

Gobert doesn't have been played off in the playoffs for the Wolves. This is a horrible offer for the Wolves.

If we moved Rudy we absolutely need a defensive bigman. Naz and Julius offer no rim protection, and Naz has been terrible defensively. Wolves would likely be trying to get a PG upgrade, or save money long term if they're moving Rudy. Or making some big move for say a Durant. I dont see them moving him.

I personally don't get the boards love for Gobert.

Well, you did say he gets “played off the floor,” so I’m not surprised you don’t get it.

I guess only one of us watched game 1 of this series. Not sure why we cant say hes a solid player who has flaws without people getting up in arms about it lol.

[Astaluego]

Gafford, Washington, 2029 LAL 1st?

Lakers are getting Gafford

In that case they will not be contenders, excellent substitute, but he falls short as a starter

[jscott]

He helps anchor the team, but I agree that Naz/Randle are the better long term fits for the team. And he does have matchups that he gets played off the court which is rough for a 35 million a year guy.

I really like him in LA. They need an anchor and someone who can catch lobs from Luka.

Minnesota out: Gobert, Minot, Garza, Leonard Miller
Minnesota in: Rui, JV, Vincent

LA out: Vincent, Rui, Vando
LA in: Gobert, Garza, Miller

Sac out: JV
Sac in: Minot, Vando

Kings can be swapped for another 3rd team, but I wanted to get Minnesota a backup big and makes the money easier for both teams.

Naz/JV
Randle/Rui
McDaniels/Shannon
Ant/DDV
Vincent/Conley/Dillingham

This is such a trash return for Rudy unless you like getting two dimes and a nickel for a dollar.

[Texas Chuck]

He helps anchor the team, but I agree that Naz/Randle are the better long term fits for the team. And he does have matchups that he gets played off the court which is rough for a 35 million a year guy.

I really like him in LA. They need an anchor and someone who can catch lobs from Luka.

Minnesota out: Gobert, Minot, Garza, Leonard Miller
Minnesota in: Rui, JV, Vincent

LA out: Vincent, Rui, Vando
LA in: Gobert, Garza, Miller

Sac out: JV
Sac in: Minot, Vando

Kings can be swapped for another 3rd team, but I wanted to get Minnesota a backup big and makes the money easier for both teams.

Naz/JV
Randle/Rui
McDaniels/Shannon
Ant/DDV
Vincent/Conley/Dillingham

This is such a trash return for Rudy unless you like getting two dimes and a nickel for a dollar.

Oh the player return is underwhelming for sure. But that's not really what they are offering. They are offering financial flexibility. It might mean keeping Randle, Naz, and NAW because you could probably move along any or all of these players without taking back much salary.

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but we know the exiting governor was willing to spend for a conference finalist. We don't know about the new guys except for well they gave a bunch of financial plans to the league and they basically all included paying no luxury tax.

Not saying Minny should do this, but its a financial move for a franchise facing a financial squeeze and with maybe less stomach to carry a high payroll to not have a talent drain.

[jscott]

He helps anchor the team, but I agree that Naz/Randle are the better long term fits for the team. And he does have matchups that he gets played off the court which is rough for a 35 million a year guy.

I really like him in LA. They need an anchor and someone who can catch lobs from Luka.

Minnesota out: Gobert, Minot, Garza, Leonard Miller
Minnesota in: Rui, JV, Vincent

LA out: Vincent, Rui, Vando
LA in: Gobert, Garza, Miller

Sac out: JV
Sac in: Minot, Vando

Kings can be swapped for another 3rd team, but I wanted to get Minnesota a backup big and makes the money easier for both teams.

Naz/JV
Randle/Rui
McDaniels/Shannon
Ant/DDV
Vincent/Conley/Dillingham

This is such a trash return for Rudy unless you like getting two dimes and a nickel for a dollar.

Oh the player return is underwhelming for sure. But that's not really what they are offering. They are offering financial flexibility. It might mean keeping Randle, Naz, and NAW because you could probably move along any or all of these players without taking back much salary.

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but we know the exiting governor was willing to spend for a conference finalist. We don't know about the new guys except for well they gave a bunch of financial plans to the league and they basically all included paying no luxury tax.

Not saying Minny should do this, but its a financial move for a franchise facing a financial squeeze and with maybe less stomach to carry a high payroll to not have a talent drain.

I hear what you’re saying.

But I am not one who subscribes to the no luxury tax storyline that gets talked about. While I do believe that the Wolves will lose at least one of Randle, Naz, or NAW (in order to stay out of the 2nd apron) I don’t believe they will drastically cut it below that.

I may be wrong but I don’t think that level of a salary dump is needed (unless they have another plan for Center going forward)

EDIT: Admittedly, I made a mistake. I read JV in the trade as Jared Vanderbilt not Jonas Valančiūnas who is obviously more of a Center than Vando.

[eminence]

Offering 'financial flexibility' for a player of Rudy's caliber is a bad joke.

May as well offer 'financial flexibility' for true MVP caliber guys at that point. C'mon Denver, Utah will give you expirings for Jokic.

Edit:

Any team that got him would almost assuredly be getting a steal. Rudy+filler for KD would be huge for the Suns.

[moss_is_1]

I guess only one of us watched game 1 of this series. Not sure why we cant say hes a solid player who has flaws without people getting up in arms about it lol.

He wasn't played off the floor in that game? People saying "played off the floor" like OKC was relentlessly attacking him and scoring every time, not the case. He was taken out of the game for Naz/Randle because we had to try something else. Just like he stayed in for game 2 instead of Randle.

[Texas Chuck]

Offering 'financial flexibility' for a player of Rudy's caliber is a bad joke.

May as well offer 'financial flexibility' for true MVP caliber guys at that point. C'mon Denver, Utah will give you expirings for Jokic.

Edit:

Any team that got him would almost assuredly be getting a steal. Rudy+filler for KD would be huge for the Suns.

You can hate the idea. I do too. You know I'm a long time Gobert supporter.

Was simply explaining the value.

Joker is needlessly reductive.

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[shrink]

I thought he extended for a number less than what it is. I thought it was in the $20,000,000 range and not at $35,000,000.

He had a $46.6 mil, 1-year player option that he declined. He wasn’t signing for three years at $60 total.