Jrue to Dallas take one billion with Kings and BOS follow up

[Texas Chuck]

Jrue has more left in his legs than Klay..... And that's really the core of this. Hauser for Marshall is simply a stylistic change that makes sense in light of turning Klay into Jrue. Dallas would need the shooting.

Now I know you think Jrue basically died so this one isn't for you, but its not making Dallas into some ancient team lol.

[hugepatsfan]

Tweaking to make a little more favorable for Dallas...

DAL gives: Klay, Martin, Hardy, Gafford
DAL gets: Jrue

For 25-26, they save $14.2M in the deal (albeit about $6.6M gets eaten up by open roster spots). Klay/Martin/Hardy are all very expendable players and the salary largely offsets huge chunk of Jrue + extra rosters spots for 25-26 and 26-27. The cost here is taking on the 27-28 year, which is only being offset by Martin at close to $10M and is at high risk of being bad money. I think Dallas can stomach that because that aligns with AD's contract (2 years plus player option) and I'm imagining Kyrie is signed for no more than 3 years too. Jrue for 3 years aligns with the older window they have for phase 1 of Flagg's career and they could even look to flip some future picks with him as an expiring for a younger player if the window is closed. It's certainly not ideal to have that 3rd year, but for a big on court upgrade at no asset cost I think it makes sense for them.

If Dallas wanted Hauser, they can have him. BOS will be dumping him into a TPE somewhere after this. DAL has the Kleber one. The roster math does seem tricky though to accommodate that.

SAC gives: nothing
SAC gets: Martin (TPE/MLE)

Get a solid forward that they need for free. Martin probably better than the free agents from what I've seen. If SAC demands 2nd, BOS pays them. I could see demanding a 2nd because of 3 years, but I also think he's a good fit.

ATL gives: nothing
ATL gets: Gafford

Add C depth for free. They might even owe 2nds but it's a lot of money to take on so maybe not.

BOS gives: Jrue
BOS gets: Klay, Hardy

They save money on the face of the deal and get much easier contracts to use in follow ups. Factoring in the roster spot, they save $12M on this. If they dumped Hauser later, they're in range to duck the 2nd apron just doing the back of the roster math (i.e. trading #28 for an early 2nd so the contract is smaller, trading a minimum guy midseason and backfilling with a pro rated minimum, etc.). If they wanted to duck the tax altogether, the Porzingis for Nurkic idea many have tossed around here followed by stretching Nurkic would actually get them under the tax, though obviously not idea. But point is, this deal opens up an actionable path for BOS to duck the tax (this year and next to reset repeater rates) without giving up any future 1sts.

[daoneandonly]

Jrue has more left in his legs than Klay..... And that's really the core of this. Hauser for Marshall is simply a stylistic change that makes sense in light of turning Klay into Jrue. Dallas would need the shooting.

Now I know you think Jrue basically died so this one isn't for you, but its not making Dallas into some ancient team lol.

But what's the avenue of replacing Gaff? I know you don't think much of Naji, but he's the type of player every team would love to have. Whether he's overpaid or not can be debated, but I don't think Jrue being overpaid is even up for debate. We saw his D, which is supposed to be his calling card, in the playoffs. It was nowhere to be found. So yes, I think he's all but finished. I know he's a good character guy, but his on-court contributions don't warrant his salary + giving up Gaff and Marshall.

And Sac is just in here taking value for nothing.

[Texas Chuck]

I love Marshall. I just don't think he has a lot of trade value. And yeah Gafford is a loss. He shouldn't play much at all when all of Lively/AD/PJ/Flagg are available, but he's nice insurance. But I have the need for a defensive secondary playmaking guard much larger than 3rd center. YMMV

[daoneandonly]

Either we're not around the same age as I once thought, or I'm less cool than I thought.

What's YMMV?

[Celts17Pride]

I really don't get it. We're seeing firsthand the importance of youth and fresh legs, yet somehow Dallas should keep adding old, tired (not to mention more expensive) vets who can't even perform at the levels they were known for. This formula does not work anymore

Worked for the Celtics last year. Celtics were a bottom team in pace with vet players. I'm not saying Dallas should or shouldn't make a Jrue trade. I'm just saying people always get caught up in the latest/potential NBA champion and think that's the only way. Last year everyone was saying teams need to shoot more threes because of Boston. There are many ways to reach the promise land.

[Texas Chuck]

Either we're not around the same age as I once thought, or I'm less cool than I thought.

What's YMMV?

Your mileage may vary. Oh I'm old. I picked it up from jayjaysee

[daoneandonly]

I really don't get it. We're seeing firsthand the importance of youth and fresh legs, yet somehow Dallas should keep adding old, tired (not to mention more expensive) vets who can't even perform at the levels they were known for. This formula does not work anymore

Worked for the Celtics last year. Celtics were a bottom team in pace with vet players. I'm not saying Dallas should or shouldn't make a Jrue trade. I'm just saying people always get caught up in the latest/potential NBA champion and think that's the only way. Last year everyone was saying teams need to shoot more threes because of Boston. There are many ways to reach the promise land.

Dallas doesnt have reliable, strong 2 way wings like Tatum and Brown, so thats not an apples-to-apples comparison.

[Texas Chuck]

I really don't get it. We're seeing firsthand the importance of youth and fresh legs, yet somehow Dallas should keep adding old, tired (not to mention more expensive) vets who can't even perform at the levels they were known for. This formula does not work anymore

Worked for the Celtics last year. Celtics were a bottom team in pace with vet players. I'm not saying Dallas should or shouldn't make a Jrue trade. I'm just saying people always get caught up in the latest/potential NBA champion and think that's the only way. Last year everyone was saying teams need to shoot more threes because of Boston. There are many ways to reach the promise land.

Dallas doesnt have reliable, strong 2 way wings like Tatum and Brown, so thats not an apples-to-apples comparison.

Not that caliber for sure, but PJ and Flagg are versions of that archetype no?

[bgrep14]

Mavs: Marshall, Martin, Gafford, and a 2nd
Mavs: Jrue

Cavs: Okoro and a 2nd
Cavs: Marshall

Nets: TPE
Nets: Martin, Okoro, and 2 2nd

Boston: Jrue
Boston: Gafford

[Texas Chuck]

Why are the Mavs paying to give Cleveland Marshall? Feels like just shoehorning Cleveland into a trade to benefit them and only them. Terrible value for the Nets. Celtic fans don't want Gafford. Dallas moving the wrong pieces.

But amazing for Cleveland who gets a much more useful player who makes less money and gets another team to help pay for it.

[TheNetsFan]

The Knecht as incentive for the Nets to take on salary is getting really tired. Why exactly would the Nets place high value on him?

[hugepatsfan]

Why are the Mavs paying to give Cleveland Marshall? Feels like just shoehorning Cleveland into a trade to benefit them and only them. Terrible value for the Nets. Celtic fans don't want Gafford. Dallas moving the wrong pieces.

But amazing for Cleveland who gets a much more useful player who makes less money and gets another team to help pay for it.

Well, just to be clear, I think we do want Gafford, we just can't afford him. At least I do, I won't speak for anyone else. It's just that no Jrue deal for Dallas is realistic without including Klay and if Gafford is also a part of it, both would be too much salary to take back for Jrue because shedding money is the whole reason for trading him to begin with. That means one needs to be flipped and moving Gafford is more plausible so I/many other fans are resigned to the fact Klay is who we'd have to keep. But in that deal posted there that left Klay out, if we run with that as an assumption, one million percent sign us up for Gafford.

[Texas Chuck]

The Knecht as incentive for the Nets to take on salary is getting really tired. Why exactly would the Nets place high value on him?

They shouldn't place high value. But taking on $11M to get 3 rookie years out of a decent prospect? Feels like good value even if you are tired of the Nets getting good value.

As always if your team can make a better trade they should always do that, but taking on one year of Maxi Kleber isn't too much to pay to try him out.

[hugepatsfan]

The Knecht as incentive for the Nets to take on salary is getting really tired. Why exactly would the Nets place high value on him?

Is high value being placed on him? They're taking on one year of $11M expiring salary. I think typically that warrants 2-3 2nds, so that's really the "value" being placed on him which seems more than fair. I'd argue Knect is being undervalued there.

If you don't want him, I think you could do this deal and flip him to a TPE deal elsewhere for a decent return. He's a mid 1st rounder still with 3 rookie years left coming off a year where he played decent and has a premium skill (shooting).

[longfellow44]

If it's Martin to the kings instead, then I think the kings are owed picks. If it's Marshall the kings owe picks. As for the deal with the kings absorbing Klay I don't really see why the kings would do that, he doesn't benefit our roster in anyway we already have better guys at his position.