Beating a dead horse w/ BOS/DAL/CHI/LAL/WAS

[cl2117]

Combining a few things that have been kicked around several times already:

BOS in: Gafford, Vincent, Phillips
BOS out: KP, Jrue

Why: Shaves $35m off the books for next year. Only need to shave off another $4m to get below the tax line, which could be done by paying to move Vincent’s expiring. Kick the tires on Gafford as a future solution at C while soft-tanking for a year to come back strong in ‘26/27.

DAL in: Jrue
DAL out: Gafford, Klay, OMP

Why: Kicked around to death. Follow up moves needed for Dallas, but Jrue fits great there even in his current form.

CHI in: KP, Klay (taken into Heurter TPE)
CHI out: Vucevic, Phillips

Why: Bulls get an upgrade at C at the price of taking on Klay’s contract. It’s a way to make some waves without spending any assets really and without much risk.

LAL in: Vucevic, OMP
LAL out: Maxi, Vincent, Knecht

Why: Upgrade at C at the cost of Knecht. Get to take a flyer on OMP. If they can sign someone like Adams or Capela in FA, they will have massively shifted the quality of their frontcourt.

WAS in: Maxi (NTMLE), Knecht (taken into David TPE)
WAS out: fake 2nd

Why: Eat Maxi’s expiring deal to get Knecht.

[Mavrelous]

Mavs can't do this deal, they will be above the 2nd Apron when accounting roster spots, deal should at least include Hardy, preferably Powell also.
I don't think LAL trade Maxi/Vincent for Vuc straight up, let alone add Knecht...

[cl2117]

Mavs can't do this deal, they will be above the 2nd Apron when accounting roster spots, deal should at least include Hardy, preferably Powell also.
I don't think LAL trade Maxi/Vincent for Vuc straight up, let alone add Knecht...

I think OMP can be swapped for either of Powell or Hardy and the money still works.

Yeah I thought Vuc at the cost of Knecht was the toughest part there. Could swap him for Gafford and the C's end up taking Vuc and trying to shift his money separately if that's more appealing. Not sure which C gives them more impact. I really like Vuc's shooting for that team but they'll really have no rim protection (although my hope would be they can get that elsewhere via FA w/ an Adams or Capela ring chaser).

Edit: sorry, see you mean include Hardy AND Powell included and that still could work w/ C's and Lakers eating whatever combo of that trio of OMP/ Hardy/ Powell is needed

[Mavrelous]

Mavs can't do this deal, they will be above the 2nd Apron when accounting roster spots, deal should at least include Hardy, preferably Powell also.
I don't think LAL trade Maxi/Vincent for Vuc straight up, let alone add Knecht...

I think OMP can be swapped for either of Powell or Hardy and the money still works.

Yeah I thought Vuc at the cost of Knecht was the toughest part there. Could swap him for Gafford and the C's end up taking Vuc and trying to shift his money separately if that's more appealing. Not sure which C gives them more impact. I really like Vuc's shooting for that team but they'll really have no rim protection (although my hope would be they can get that elsewhere via FA w/ an Adams or Capela ring chaser).

Edit: sorry, see you mean include Hardy AND Powell included and that still could work w/ C's and Lakers eating whatever combo of that trio of OMP/ Hardy/ Powell is needed

LAL aren't a good dumping team, they are capped out, ATL need a reliable backup center and has TPE, they should take him and give back 1 or 2 2nds.
I suggest trading Klay to DEN for Nnaji/Saric/min contract, these small contracts are easy to dump, Klay's deal is over the MLE and hard to find teams with exception to take him.

[brackdan70]

A for effort.
Shedding this much Salary it feels like the Celtics owe a little.
And Knecht seems too much for the Lakers to pay.
Does it work to pull Knecht out of the deal and Bos send 28 to Was and Was sends 40 to Boston.
Vuc goes to Boston (they are still saving plenty) and Gafford to LAL to catch Luka Lobs.

Edit…now this maybe seems to good for LAL.

[Djh7475]

Makes sense to me if the money works. I’d try to reroute Gabe or Hauser to some team’s MLE to get under the tax to make it worth it. Seems to make sense for the Bulls as they get a ton of shooting and KP was still a star last season when his random viral issue didn’t get in his way.

Lakers turning Knecht into a floor spacing elite rebounding 5 should turbocharge their offense. Then Washington using their cap space to pick up one of the best shooters out of the last draft is really smart. I would personally rather send Washington Hauser and 28 from the Celtics or 28 and Jordan Walsh or something along those lines to snag Knecht for the Celtics, but I’m not sure if that’d cause a hangup.

[ChettheJet]

Even though the Bulls have Zach Collins and Jalen Smith they wouldn't want to take the often injured Poraingas because they've been spoiled with the durable Vucevic. The Bulls aren't going to trade one of their 2 backup bigs and get another guard when they have 7 with resigning Giddey and not being able to bring back Tre Jones for less than Klay makes. . This makes Klay and White split time at the SG and I guess Huerter becomes the SF

The one year supposed upgrade at the 5 isn't worth accepting the other parts

[psman2]

I see no way Chicago is going to just eat Klay deal so they can upgrade from Vuc to Porzingis. That is asking for 1st round value difference. Maybe Chicago throws a 2nd or two instead, but really I think that they are all out tanking this season to keep their pick.

I also don't see the Lakers using Knecht to land Vuc and don't really like Vuc there regardless. Again a 2nd is likely all that takes if they want to go that direction.

Bottom line is Boston is trying to make other teams to pay for their money savings here.

[nate33]

The Wizards already have their own Knecht in Corey Kispert. And at this point, with the development of Bilal, Kyshawn George, and Julian Champagnie, there are barely any minutes available for Kispert. And they also have Saddiq Bey coming back from a knee injury. The last thing they need is another rotation wing.

The incentive just doesn't work for Washington. Washington is willing to take on salary for assets, but those assets would need to be future picks more so than redundant rotation players.

[cl2117]

I see no way Chicago is going to just eat Klay deal so they can upgrade from Vuc to Porzingis. That is asking for 1st round value difference. Maybe Chicago throws a 2nd or two instead, but really I think that they are all out tanking this season to keep their pick.

I also don't see the Lakers using Knecht to land Vuc and don't really like Vuc there regardless. Again a 2nd is likely all that takes if they want to go that direction.

Bottom line is Boston is trying to make other teams to pay for their money savings here.

The vibe I was getting from Chicago threads was that they were likely to continue to try to stay competitive rather than lean into a rebuild even though they own their own pick. So KP would give them a higher ceiling than Vuc even if he's risky. At least with his high variance if he's healthy you get an all-star if he's not you're getting a higher pick. Vuc and his durability keeps you firmly in the middle.

And then on the Lakers side, yeah that was the thing I was worried about most. Not sure Vuc moves the needle enough even though I like his fit overall. I don't think Chicago would swap Vuc for Vincent/Maxi and 2nds, although maybe I'm wrong on that. I also don't think C's would swap KP for Vuc for 2nds. That's how I kind of landed on Bull's eating Klay which to your point is 1st round value but only at the expense of cap space (which they have) and then Lakers giving up Knecht just because they really don't have anything else (but can definitely seeing that be too much to give up for an expiring Vuc).

I think Boston can kick in a combo of #28, #32 and/or eating some more salary to try to balance it out. Just wasn't sure where the value needs to go to balance it.

Even though the Bulls have Zach Collins and Jalen Smith they wouldn't want to take the often injured Poraingas because they've been spoiled with the durable Vucevic. The Bulls aren't going to trade one of their 2 backup bigs and get another guard when they have 7 with resigning Giddey and not being able to bring back Tre Jones for less than Klay makes. . This makes Klay and White split time at the SG and I guess Huerter becomes the SF

The one year supposed upgrade at the 5 isn't worth accepting the other parts

Yeah I know there's already a backlog at guard/wing for the Bulls and so I guess there's an assumption that other moves happen to accommodate bringing in Klay. My logic was that the upgrade from Vuc to KP without having to give up any significant assets might be worth it because it'd raise the Bull's ceiling significantly. And then if it doesn't work out at least it didn't cost much. With Collins/Smith they can handle him being in and out of the lineup and if he's healthy by the play-in it could be the difference maker.

[Apz]

I see no way Chicago is going to just eat Klay deal so they can upgrade from Vuc to Porzingis. That is asking for 1st round value difference. Maybe Chicago throws a 2nd or two instead, but really I think that they are all out tanking this season to keep their pick.

I also don't see the Lakers using Knecht to land Vuc and don't really like Vuc there regardless. Again a 2nd is likely all that takes if they want to go that direction.

Bottom line is Boston is trying to make other teams to pay for their money savings here.

The vibe I was getting from Chicago threads was that they were likely to continue to try to stay competitive rather than lean into a rebuild even though they own their own pick. So KP would give them a higher ceiling than Vuc even if he's risky. At least with his high variance if he's healthy you get an all-star if he's not you're getting a higher pick. Vuc and his durability keeps you firmly in the middle.

And then on the Lakers side, yeah that was the thing I was worried about most. Not sure Vuc moves the needle enough even though I like his fit overall. I don't think Chicago would swap Vuc for Vincent/Maxi and 2nds, although maybe I'm wrong on that. I also don't think C's would swap KP for Vuc for 2nds. That's how I kind of landed on Bull's eating Klay which to your point is 1st round value but only at the expense of cap space (which they have) and then Lakers giving up Knecht just because they really don't have anything else (but can definitely seeing that be too much to give up for an expiring Vuc).

I think Boston can kick in a combo of #28, #32 and/or eating some more salary to try to balance it out. Just wasn't sure where the value needs to go to balance it.

Even though the Bulls have Zach Collins and Jalen Smith they wouldn't want to take the often injured Poraingas because they've been spoiled with the durable Vucevic. The Bulls aren't going to trade one of their 2 backup bigs and get another guard when they have 7 with resigning Giddey and not being able to bring back Tre Jones for less than Klay makes. . This makes Klay and White split time at the SG and I guess Huerter becomes the SF

The one year supposed upgrade at the 5 isn't worth accepting the other parts

Yeah I know there's already a backlog at guard/wing for the Bulls and so I guess there's an assumption that other moves happen to accommodate bringing in Klay. My logic was that the upgrade from Vuc to KP without having to give up any significant assets might be worth it because it'd raise the Bull's ceiling significantly. And then if it doesn't work out at least it didn't cost much. With Collins/Smith they can handle him being in and out of the lineup and if he's healthy by the play-in it could be the difference maker.

Dont see in what world vuc is a great fit? Doesnt roll and doesnt protect the rim, and nl real use for a floorspacing 5 with luka, which bren by now proven. And calling vuc a floorspacing 5 is a stretch with his shooting