LAL/CLE

[Donkedave]

Cleveland aren’t a 1st apron team tho mate, it works before the end of season.

season already ended mate for apron purposes

Where this info from mate? Haven’t seen this anywhere as yet.

So I see where you are getting confused, as of the end of regular season the teams are taxed on the salary they have then. Even if they get under the cap etc by July 1st it won’t change the bill.

They can still make trades until June 30 6pm in regards too the 24/25 cap rules and salaries.

[youngthegiant]

Can Denver get in this for Knecht? Send a 2031 1st to Cleveland, Denver absorbs Knecht with the TPE they have.

[Mavrelous]

Cavs have Hunter, they have no use of Hachimura...

[Mavrelous]

Can Denver get in this for Knecht? Send a 2031 1st to Cleveland, Denver absorbs Knecht with the TPE they have.

Knecht doesn't have unprotected future 1st value.

[Mr Loggins]

Easy no for Cleveland. The Lakers just don’t have much Cleveland would want. The deal would need to include Reaves going to a 3rd team and that value going to Cleveland.

Well it depends on some factors imo:

-How much do the Cavs want to save money? Even with the trade being only Rui + Knecht for Allen, the Cavs end up paying Knecht only $4,201,080 in 2026-2027, compared to paying Allen $28,000,000. That is quite a significant savings. Then, they also get the pick swaps to sweeten the deal. It sounds like a pretty sweet deal for both teams tbh.

-How do they feel about continuing to move forward with the two-big lineup? They also must be upset about how the playoffs went, and understandably so. Mobley spreads the floor pretty well for a big, but spreading the floor are Rui and Knecht's forte, so you really cant go wrong with this trade, especially if your backs are against the proverbial wall financially.

re: the first part, Gilbert is own of the wealthiest owners in the nba snd has never been shy about spending. I think you should remove that as any impetus for the cavs to make a move, and focus on soley basketball reasons

[mcfly1204]

Easy no for Cleveland. The Lakers just don’t have much Cleveland would want. The deal would need to include Reaves going to a 3rd team and that value going to Cleveland.

Well it depends on some factors imo:

-How much do the Cavs want to save money? Even with the trade being only Rui + Knecht for Allen, the Cavs end up paying Knecht only $4,201,080 in 2026-2027, compared to paying Allen $28,000,000. That is quite a significant savings. Then, they also get the pick swaps to sweeten the deal. It sounds like a pretty sweet deal for both teams tbh.

-How do they feel about continuing to move forward with the two-big lineup? They also must be upset about how the playoffs went, and understandably so. Mobley spreads the floor pretty well for a big, but spreading the floor are Rui and Knecht's forte, so you really cant go wrong with this trade, especially if your backs are against the proverbial wall financially.

re: the first part, Gilbert is own of the wealthiest owners in the nba snd has never been shy about spending. I think you should remove that as any impetus for the cavs to make a move, and focus on soley basketball reasons

As for the second part, Mobley and Allen were not the reason Cleveland lost that series, and fail to see how Rui and Knecht would make the team better.

[Mr Loggins]

Well it depends on some factors imo:

-How much do the Cavs want to save money? Even with the trade being only Rui + Knecht for Allen, the Cavs end up paying Knecht only $4,201,080 in 2026-2027, compared to paying Allen $28,000,000. That is quite a significant savings. Then, they also get the pick swaps to sweeten the deal. It sounds like a pretty sweet deal for both teams tbh.

-How do they feel about continuing to move forward with the two-big lineup? They also must be upset about how the playoffs went, and understandably so. Mobley spreads the floor pretty well for a big, but spreading the floor are Rui and Knecht's forte, so you really cant go wrong with this trade, especially if your backs are against the proverbial wall financially.

re: the first part, Gilbert is own of the wealthiest owners in the nba snd has never been shy about spending. I think you should remove that as any impetus for the cavs to make a move, and focus on soley basketball reasons

As for the second part, Mobley and Allen were not the reason Cleveland lost that series, and fail to see how Rui and Knecht would make the team better.

and to add a third: when the NBA nixed the Chris Paul to Lakers trade in 2010, Gilbert was one of the most vocal. He said something like “are the other trams just giving the lakers talent now?” so donMt count on him giving then Allen just because it would make the lakers better

[Astaluego]

If I'm the Cavs I'd call DFS..
DFS+Goga+FRP31(Lakers )CAVS..
They save a few million that might allow them to re-sign Jerome?
Garland/Mitchell/Hunter/DFS/Mobley
Jerome?/Struss/Tyson/Wade/Goga..

Knecht/Milton MAGIC..

Allen LAKERS..

Okoro..MLE of some team..

[DowJones]

If I'm the Cavs I'd call DFS..
DFS+Goga+FRP31(Lakers )CAVS..
They save a few million that might allow them to re-sign Jerome?
Garland/Mitchell/Hunter/DFS/Mobley
Jerome?/Struss/Tyson/Wade/Goga..

Knecht/Milton MAGIC..

Allen LAKERS..

Okoro..MLE of some team..

If there is a team that wants to take Okoro into their MLE, that part can be done separately and isn't added value in a trade like this.

Your updated version makes an already bad deal even worse for the Cavs. Cleveland actually adds money here.

[DowJones]

re: the first part, Gilbert is own of the wealthiest owners in the nba snd has never been shy about spending. I think you should remove that as any impetus for the cavs to make a move, and focus on soley basketball reasons

As for the second part, Mobley and Allen were not the reason Cleveland lost that series, and fail to see how Rui and Knecht would make the team better.

and to add a third: when the NBA nixed the Chris Paul to Lakers trade in 2010, Gilbert was one of the most vocal. He said something like “are the other trams just giving the lakers talent now?” so donMt count on him giving then Allen just Like I said, the Lakers are better off looking elsewhere for a center. They don’t have the pieces the Cavs would be interested in, and Cleveland would make them pay a premium for Jarrett Allen. If the Lakers were serious about targeting Allen, they’d likely need a third team willing to give up real value for Reaves. Depending on that return, they’d probably also have to include Knecht and maybe even a future first-round pick. It’s just not worth it for LA because it would make the lakers better

Yeah, I didn’t want to go too deep into it, but Dan Gilbert isn’t the kind of owner the Lakers can target for a sweetheart deal based on financial pressure. He has plenty of money and genuinely wants the Cavs to win. While Cleveland will need to get under the second apron by summer 2027, there’s no urgency to do it this year—especially not at the expense of competing. Plus, Gilbert wo uld be extremely reluctant to hand the Lakers a perfect fit at the 5, a spot they’re desperate to fill, without making them pay a steep price.

Like I said, the Lakers are better off looking elsewhere for a center. They don’t have the pieces the Cavs would be interested in, and Cleveland would make them pay a premium for Jarrett Allen. If the Lakers were serious about targeting Allen, they would likely need a third team willing to give up real value for Reaves. Depending on that return, they probably also have to include Knecht and maybe even a future first-round pick. It’s just not worth it for LA.

[DowJones]

Well, Allen will be making around 30M that offseason, and then 32M the offseason after that, so you do have that.

The Cavs will have a ton of money coming off the books that summer. I think the only 3 players we have are on guaranteed deals are Garland, Mobley, and Allen.

If Cleveland is going to trade Allen this summer, it will be entirely driven by making the team better. It won’t be to save money. If LA wants to get Allen, the Cavs will make them pay through the nose. It’s probably not going to be worth it to you. You won’t find a discount from a team trying to get to the NBA Finals next year.

I thought the trade both improved the Cavs and saved them money. But, you are saying the latter is something that doesn't matter to them.

The trade would actually cost the Cavs money this year—they would be taking in more salary than they are sending out. I understand that Allen and Okoro don’t come off the books next season like Rui and Vincent do, but if the Cavs simply let those two contracts expire, then all they’d have to show for trading Allen is Dalton Knecht and a few pick swaps. That would sting

I also don’t think this trade makes Cleveland better. We know what Allen and Rui are, and Allen is simply the better player. Knecht isn’t bad, but he’s not a great fit in Cleveland—we already have Max Strus filling that role. With Strus, Garland, Mitchell, and Jerome on the roster, it’s hard to see where Knecht would get an expanded role.

LA's path to Allen is to find a 3rd team that really values Austin Reaves and see if that is enough for the Cavs. Be prepared to add Knecht and/or a future first if necessary. Like I said, it probably isn't worth it for LA.

[Alatan]

Easy no for Cleveland. The Lakers just don’t have much Cleveland would want. The deal would need to include Reaves going to a 3rd team and that value going to Cleveland.

Reaves, Knecht, and 2 pick swaps is entirely too much for Jarrett Allen. Unless you think very little of Reaves.

Those swaps are useless.

[tidho]

This conversation was a wild ride.

CLE can't aggregate guys in a trade, but the OP deal isn't dead in the water. Allen for Rui straight up works, then you swap in Milton rather than Vincent for the Okoro part.

I don't love the idea directionally, because it's based on the premise that Mobley become a C, rather than just letting him be one of the best PF in the league. He could certainly play with Rui, but they'd need to find a big for guard trade to backfill Allen.