Giannis for Garland + Allen: who says no?

[jbk1234]

Trade them both, get picks for each, rebuild.

While Garland, Allen, and (aging and post-Achilles) Dame might win a first round series here or there, they're too many pieces away from being relevant. Lopez probably bails on that roster, and they don't have many compelling young guys coming up and no new ones coming in. You're just delaying until you hit the rebuild button.

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Not every organization likes or trusts rebuilding. Giannis was the 15th pick in the Anthony Bennett draft. Jabari Parker was the 3rd pick the following summer.

If they can get Garland to extend, they can tread water until the summer of 27 and have a ton of cap space to fill out the roster when Dame and Kuzma fall off the books.

And then what? Milwaukee won't have a draft pick for a half a decade unless they trade for it. They aren't a destination city like LA/Miami. They won't have improving young star talent to cheat the books like Philly had with Maxey. The most likely scenario is an overpay for another borderline all-star who also has no chance at creating a contender.

Again, it depends on the organization's goals post Giannis. If they get all their picks back and little else, I'd argue they're pretty far away from contending any time in the near future.

If the goal is to field a competitive team that fans can come watch and at least make the post season while they pay off their pick debt, take back the best players you can get.

[JayMKE]

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Not every organization likes or trusts rebuilding. Giannis was the 15th pick in the Anthony Bennett draft. Jabari Parker was the 3rd pick the following summer.

If they can get Garland to extend, they can tread water until the summer of 27 and have a ton of cap space to fill out the roster when Dame and Kuzma fall off the books.

And then what? Milwaukee won't have a draft pick for a half a decade unless they trade for it. They aren't a destination city like LA/Miami. They won't have improving young star talent to cheat the books like Philly had with Maxey. The most likely scenario is an overpay for another borderline all-star who also has no chance at creating a contender.

Again, it depends on the organization's goals post Giannis. If they get all their picks back and little else, I'd argue they're pretty far away from contending any time in the near future.

If the goal is to field a competitive team that fans can come watch and at least make the post season while they pay off their pick debt, take back the best players you can get.

What is the ceiling for this team realistically

No one is coming out to see Garland/Allen on a ~40 win teams. Not a selling point.

[jbk1234]

And then what? Milwaukee won't have a draft pick for a half a decade unless they trade for it. They aren't a destination city like LA/Miami. They won't have improving young star talent to cheat the books like Philly had with Maxey. The most likely scenario is an overpay for another borderline all-star who also has no chance at creating a contender.

Again, it depends on the organization's goals post Giannis. If they get all their picks back and little else, I'd argue they're pretty far away from contending any time in the near future.

If the goal is to field a competitive team that fans can come watch and at least make the post season while they pay off their pick debt, take back the best players you can get.

What is the ceiling for this team realistically

No one is coming out to see Garland/Allen on a ~40 win teams. Not a selling point.

I'm really don't intend this to be snark. I'm honestly asking. What is the current ceiling with Dame and Kuzma still on the books? You're treading water for two seasons (unless you pay to dump one or both in 2026). It's a 2027 free agency play either way.

Assuming that Giannis is willing to punt a year of his prime, then I could see the Bucks waiting until the summer of 26, putting that 2031st pick on the table, and trying the free agency option a year early. Assuming he is comfortable extending if you sign a needle mover, I can squint and see it. Having been down this road, the downside risk is that he declines to extend and free agents will only sign if he does. Then you're trading him with a year left on his deal.

There aren't a lot of good options here, but assuming Giannis is willing, I wouldn't blame the Bucks for trying to role a hard six in the summer of 2026.

[toooskies]

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Not every organization likes or trusts rebuilding. Giannis was the 15th pick in the Anthony Bennett draft. Jabari Parker was the 3rd pick the following summer.

If they can get Garland to extend, they can tread water until the summer of 27 and have a ton of cap space to fill out the roster when Dame and Kuzma fall off the books.

And then what? Milwaukee won't have a draft pick for a half a decade unless they trade for it. They aren't a destination city like LA/Miami. They won't have improving young star talent to cheat the books like Philly had with Maxey. The most likely scenario is an overpay for another borderline all-star who also has no chance at creating a contender.

Again, it depends on the organization's goals post Giannis. If they get all their picks back and little else, I'd argue they're pretty far away from contending any time in the near future.

If the goal is to field a competitive team that fans can come watch and at least make the post season while they pay off their pick debt, take back the best players you can get.

I think reaching that goal is a best-case scenario (if Dame comes back near his old self) and not an expected case. Without the safety net of having your own draft picks if you fail.

Milwaukee has been mortgaging their future for years trying to amplify and extend the Giannis window. Whether they trade Giannis or not and whether they try to stay competitive or not, they don't have a mechanism to recoup all the value they lost due to aging and foolish trades. Kuzma has no chance of being prime Middleton (if not one of the worst-impact players in the NBA last year). Getting anything close to peak Dame in 2026-27 is just wishful thinking. Two or three fringe all-stars doesn't make them better than, say, the LaVine/DeRozan/Sabonis Kings or the Herro/Bam Heat.

But the biggest problem is there's no safety net if they aim for mediocre and it goes worse. Free agency won't get a team in Milwaukee many value contracts. Scouting & player development in Milwaukee has a lot more misses than hits, so hidden gems are a lot less likely to turn up.

Better to at least partially reset now than not have a reset button at all when you need to press it.

[jbk1234]

And then what? Milwaukee won't have a draft pick for a half a decade unless they trade for it. They aren't a destination city like LA/Miami. They won't have improving young star talent to cheat the books like Philly had with Maxey. The most likely scenario is an overpay for another borderline all-star who also has no chance at creating a contender.

Again, it depends on the organization's goals post Giannis. If they get all their picks back and little else, I'd argue they're pretty far away from contending any time in the near future.

If the goal is to field a competitive team that fans can come watch and at least make the post season while they pay off their pick debt, take back the best players you can get.

I think reaching that goal is a best-case scenario (if Dame comes back near his old self) and not an expected case. Without the safety net of having your own draft picks if you fail.

Milwaukee has been mortgaging their future for years trying to amplify and extend the Giannis window. Whether they trade Giannis or not and whether they try to stay competitive or not, they don't have a mechanism to recoup all the value they lost due to aging and foolish trades. Kuzma has no chance of being prime Middleton (if not one of the worst-impact players in the NBA last year). Getting anything close to peak Dame in 2026-27 is just wishful thinking. Two or three fringe all-stars doesn't make them better than, say, the LaVine/DeRozan/Sabonis Kings or the Herro/Bam Heat.

But the biggest problem is there's no safety net if they aim for mediocre and it goes worse. Free agency won't get a team in Milwaukee many value contracts. Scouting & player development in Milwaukee has a lot more misses than hits, so hidden gems are a lot less likely to turn up.

Better to at least partially reset now than not have a reset button at all when you need to press it.

Ask the Jazz, Wizards, and Hornets about the safety net of having your own picks under the new lottery odds. What are the chances that the players they end up drafting are as good or better than Allen and Garland, and assuming they do get there, when does that threshold get crossed?

[toooskies]

Again, it depends on the organization's goals post Giannis. If they get all their picks back and little else, I'd argue they're pretty far away from contending any time in the near future.

If the goal is to field a competitive team that fans can come watch and at least make the post season while they pay off their pick debt, take back the best players you can get.

I think reaching that goal is a best-case scenario (if Dame comes back near his old self) and not an expected case. Without the safety net of having your own draft picks if you fail.

Milwaukee has been mortgaging their future for years trying to amplify and extend the Giannis window. Whether they trade Giannis or not and whether they try to stay competitive or not, they don't have a mechanism to recoup all the value they lost due to aging and foolish trades. Kuzma has no chance of being prime Middleton (if not one of the worst-impact players in the NBA last year). Getting anything close to peak Dame in 2026-27 is just wishful thinking. Two or three fringe all-stars doesn't make them better than, say, the LaVine/DeRozan/Sabonis Kings or the Herro/Bam Heat.

But the biggest problem is there's no safety net if they aim for mediocre and it goes worse. Free agency won't get a team in Milwaukee many value contracts. Scouting & player development in Milwaukee has a lot more misses than hits, so hidden gems are a lot less likely to turn up.

Better to at least partially reset now than not have a reset button at all when you need to press it.

Ask the Jazz, Wizards, and Hornets about the safety net of having your own picks under the new lottery odds. What are the chances that the players they end up drafting are as good or better than Allen and Garland, and assuming they do get there, when does that threshold get crossed?

The #4-6 pick is still enough to get a prospect with an outside chance of being a franchise guy. Amen Thompson, Ausar Thompson, Darius Garland, Jalen Suggs, Scottie Barnes, Jaren Jackson, Trae Young going back that far. As long as it isn't an awful draft at the top you're fine. Edgecombe or Bailey has a chance of being really good.

Plus you are getting bad salary back, even if it's Dejounte Murray or DeAndre Ayton or whatever. That has a chance to be just as treadmill-y as you could be with Garland/Allen.

[durden_tyler]

The Bucks are too dumb to even consider this. They want loyalty resulting to mediocrity and they will get those.


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[tidho]

Think the poll has this one correct, MIL isn't going to entertain this. Not only is the value not even close, but neither Garland or Mitchell (if they upgraded the ask) is going to work with Dame whom they're saddled with. The two teams simply aren't good partners, and least not without a 3rd team involved.

[nate33]

Giannis trades are tough. He is so good, there there really isn't a "fair" deal for him. No matter what, Milwaukee will have to take back less value than they are giving out. The only way to evaluate a deal is in the context of what other competitive deals are on the market. Milwaukee will trade Giannis for the best deal they can get (assuming Giannis asks out). I suppose it's possible that this is the best deal they can get, but I doubt it. I suspect Houston would offer more given their stockpile of useful young players and future picks.