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Re: DAL/NY/PHX 

Post#21 » by jayjaysee » Mon Jun 2, 2025 5:41 pm

Hook_Em wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
Hook_Em wrote:KD

for

Klay
PJ
Martin
Lively
Lakers 1st


Dallas’ lottery luck means the deal needs to look more like…

Gafford, PJ, Klay, Hardy, LAL first to Phoenix

Martin to any team willing to use a TPE/MLE on him

KD to Dallas


Dallas needs to send out enough salary to backfill the roster under the second apron. Likely need to follow that deal up with replacing Powell with two vet mins

Or just not trade for someone that involves aggregating and then stay over the second apron for a year if they want.


What does lotto luck have to do with anything? Lively is the centerpiece in a KD deal. I was trying not to completely gut Dallas of their role players.


the 2029 unprotected pick is probably enough for KD with Dallas’ matching salary. Asking for both Lively and the pick, and PJ is just trying to get everything not nailed down.

I thought me going into the financials would explain why I brought it up.. But lottery luck added 8-9 million in salary that Dallas didn’t plan on.

Dallas is either at the second apron or right above it as is... So any deal needs to trim enough salary to backfill the roster spots in order to be legal.

Or Dallas just doesn’t aggregate salaries and doesn’t trade for KD.
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Re: DAL/NY/PHX 

Post#22 » by Hook_Em » Mon Jun 2, 2025 6:01 pm

jayjaysee wrote:
Hook_Em wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
Dallas’ lottery luck means the deal needs to look more like…

Gafford, PJ, Klay, Hardy, LAL first to Phoenix

Martin to any team willing to use a TPE/MLE on him

KD to Dallas


Dallas needs to send out enough salary to backfill the roster under the second apron. Likely need to follow that deal up with replacing Powell with two vet mins

Or just not trade for someone that involves aggregating and then stay over the second apron for a year if they want.


What does lotto luck have to do with anything? Lively is the centerpiece in a KD deal. I was trying not to completely gut Dallas of their role players.


the 2029 unprotected pick is probably enough for KD with Dallas’ matching salary. Asking for both Lively and the pick, and PJ is just trying to get everything not nailed down.

I thought me going into the financials would explain why I brought it up.. But lottery luck added 8-9 million in salary that Dallas didn’t plan on.

Dallas is either at the second apron or right above it as is... So any deal needs to trim enough salary to backfill the roster spots in order to be legal.

Or Dallas just doesn’t aggregate salaries and doesn’t trade for KD.


If Lively/LA 1st is too much for KD do two extra 1sts added on get Booker?
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Re: DAL/NY/PHX 

Post#23 » by mademan » Mon Jun 2, 2025 6:10 pm

Hook_Em wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
Hook_Em wrote:
What does lotto luck have to do with anything? Lively is the centerpiece in a KD deal. I was trying not to completely gut Dallas of their role players.


the 2029 unprotected pick is probably enough for KD with Dallas’ matching salary. Asking for both Lively and the pick, and PJ is just trying to get everything not nailed down.

I thought me going into the financials would explain why I brought it up.. But lottery luck added 8-9 million in salary that Dallas didn’t plan on.

Dallas is either at the second apron or right above it as is... So any deal needs to trim enough salary to backfill the roster spots in order to be legal.

Or Dallas just doesn’t aggregate salaries and doesn’t trade for KD.


If Lively/LA 1st is too much for KD do two extra 1sts added on get Booker?


I dont have KD worth more than an unprotected 1st and PJ/Gaff carry positive value. Suns dont eat any real bad money (Hardy is, but he's minor), get some good players they can either keep who fit around Book or they can trade for value and get an unprotected 1st on top. If theyre expecting more for an injury prone 37 year old who's expecting a big contract extension, then theyre just not serious about moving him. I think Jay's offer is more than fair, and is more than i'd offer

Book would need significantly more
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Re: DAL/NY/PHX 

Post#24 » by jayjaysee » Mon Jun 2, 2025 7:56 pm

Hook_Em wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
Hook_Em wrote:
What does lotto luck have to do with anything? Lively is the centerpiece in a KD deal. I was trying not to completely gut Dallas of their role players.


the 2029 unprotected pick is probably enough for KD with Dallas’ matching salary. Asking for both Lively and the pick, and PJ is just trying to get everything not nailed down.

I thought me going into the financials would explain why I brought it up.. But lottery luck added 8-9 million in salary that Dallas didn’t plan on.

Dallas is either at the second apron or right above it as is... So any deal needs to trim enough salary to backfill the roster spots in order to be legal.

Or Dallas just doesn’t aggregate salaries and doesn’t trade for KD.


If Lively/LA 1st is too much for KD do two extra 1sts added on get Booker?


I don’t really want Booker in Dallas?

But I would guess some team offers more than Lively, 2029 LAL first, 2031 Dallas first which is all Dallas can offer if they did want to go that direction. Don’t think Dallas trades Flagg for Booker, but considering there’s only a few willing to trade Flagg for Giannis - I know the fans wouldn’t like that idea..

Don't really track the idea for Phoenix at all though. Just trade KD to the highest bidder and see what options open next year to retool around Booker. Trade him then.
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Re: DAL/NY/PHX 

Post#25 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Jun 2, 2025 8:13 pm

There is no way Dallas can turn around and add Lively and another 1st to turn the Luka return into Booker. There would be no fanbase to speak of after that.
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Re: DAL/NY/PHX 

Post#26 » by cgf » Mon Jun 2, 2025 9:58 pm

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jayjaysee wrote:I can’t understand KD to Dallas if AD isn’t there. So think the OP is flawed. KD should not want to come and Dallas shouldn’t want him at that point.

If NY could/would add.. it makes sense for them to upgrade KAT. I don’t really want to end up with KAT anyways, but NYK would have to add a good amount.

OP logic makes sense, just really don’t see it working for Dallas or KD.


I'm pretty much here. KD coming to Dallas would be to play with AD(and Kyrie). Neither side should have interest if it takes moving AD to get him.

I know cgf always believes in his Knicks and Towns had a good year for them. My question is how much of the noise after the series with the Pacers is real about multiple Knicks players(and obviously this would mean Thibs as well) being over how many defensive assignments he was still missing after being with the team for a year.

If that's real, I'd think they'd love to move him for a guy like AD. Or if they feel they need the offense, just move him for KD though apron issues make that a bit trickier.

I know Brunson publicly went to bat for him, but that's Jalen Brunson he's always going to say the right things.


I mean they've performed almost exactly how I've expected them to for the past 5 years...with the guys I felt iffy about working out poorly, and the moves I liked working out well...so can you blame me for thinking I've got a solid feel for the team I watch most?

Especially after the three teams I spent all season telling folks that they were under-rating, ended up being the three teams that joined OKC in the conference finals with guys everyone told me I was wrong about, being crucial to their teams' success :dontknow:

Now that we've addressed that unnecessary sniping, I agree with the rest of this post. If those reports are legit & the lockerroom is fed up with KAT, then the equation changes & whether it could work on paper or not ceases to matter because that becomes a purely intellectual question, as it won't ever work in reality.


PS isn't responding to someone or talking about them, without quoting them so that they can clarify themselves just the most incredibly b****y way to behave? I know Chuck is upset with his own team's decision-making approaching "lol knicks" territory, and he wants the knicks to fail so that he can say that on some level, he wasn't wrong for all these years...but it's a very childish way to treat others.
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