BOS / DAL / LAL / ATL / CHA / SAC / BRK

[djFan71]

So basically for BOS:
BOS gives: Jrue, Porzingis, Hauser, 2 future 2nds
BOS gets: Klay, Vanderbilt

You trade 3 very able players + 2 2nds for Klay and Vanderbilt


Jrue alone is better than both combined
Resounding NO

They shed $44M in salary this year to go from far in the 2nd apron to below the tax altogether. Also shed about $15M next year to position themselves to duck the tax again which means resetting the repeater rates. I understand that's not super exciting as a fan, but you can't dismiss it. That's very real consideration for actual NBA teams.

This deal also sets them up pretty well going forward. A year without Tatum and Holiday/Porzingis/Hauser downgraded to Klay/Vanderbilt/Scheierman should give them a pretty solid 2026 pick. They'll be out of the 2nd apron so their future pick trading restrictions ease up for next offseason ahead of the 26-27 season. The modest money that Klay/Vanderbilt make combined with future draft capital and/or a good 2026 pick puts them in very solid position to make trade upgrades next year while still avoiding the tax again to reset the repeater rate in Tatum's first year back. And then beyond that, in 27-28 and beyond, the burden of the tax and 2nd apron repeater penalties will be clear and all the money saved can be reinvested into younger pieces around Tatum/Brown/White via trade.

Financial basis is really solid for BOS, but you do have to somewhat consider what you're going to add to Klay/Vandy to good players again next summer. We're not adding any picks here - and in fact are losing some. It can't just be Klay/Vandy and our limited tradeable 1sts to try to replace 2 starters and Hauser - that's not gonna bring back enough. You also have Baylor, 25 picks and FA, but that's tough to rely on. I think you gotta take our 2nds out and get a few back from SAC, at a minimum. That would give you more to work with to reload.

I also think DAL steals some value here as well. That's the best case Jure deal for them. I'd expect them to chip in more that comes BOS way (even just swaps). But it's been debated enough to not be worth rehashing.

[Texas Chuck]

I also think DAL steals some value here as well. That's the best case Jure deal for them. I'd expect them to chip in more that comes BOS way (even just swaps). But it's been debated enough to not be worth rehashing.

Going to ignore your last line, so my feelings won't be hurt at all if you ignore this whole thing lol.

I think as opposed to ideal, I think its basically what it has to be? Not sure what other version there could even be? I don't see Dallas considering PJ Washington and I don't think using multiples of the Martin/Marshall/Christie sized deals is more appealing for the other teams?

That said I'm definitely open to a valuation that says Dallas owes value. The problem is a 1st round swap feels too far and I don't think Dallas considers it and Dallas has nothing else to offer. Oh a distant Philly 2nd but that's meaningless. Prosper in for Powell is maybe 12 cents more value already? Its bleak for Dallas on small assets.

And taking on that much future money isn't nothing in what Dallas contributes. IDK. I'd like Jrue, but I'll be honest the OP is about as far as I'm willing to go. Winning the lottery was obviously great for Dallas, but had they landed at 11 or 12, that becomes an asset easy to break down to juice deals like this. Without it Dallas just has nothing. Sad face.

[djFan71]

I also think DAL steals some value here as well. That's the best case Jure deal for them. I'd expect them to chip in more that comes BOS way (even just swaps). But it's been debated enough to not be worth rehashing.

Going to ignore your last line, so my feelings won't be hurt at all if you ignore this whole thing lol.

I think as opposed to ideal, I think its basically what it has to be? Not sure what other version there could even be? I don't see Dallas considering PJ Washington and I don't think using multiples of the Martin/Marshall/Christie sized deals is more appealing for the other teams?

That said I'm definitely open to a valuation that says Dallas owes value. The problem is a 1st round swap feels too far and I don't think Dallas considers it and Dallas has nothing else to offer. Oh a distant Philly 2nd but that's meaningless. Prosper in for Powell is maybe 12 cents more value already? Its bleak for Dallas on small assets.

And taking on that much future money isn't nothing in what Dallas contributes. IDK. I'd like Jrue, but I'll be honest the OP is about as far as I'm willing to go. Winning the lottery was obviously great for Dallas, but had they landed at 11 or 12, that becomes an asset easy to break down to juice deals like this. Without it Dallas just has nothing. Sad face.

Yeah, it's tough to figure out what to add pick wise due to your draft assets after the 1st 13 seconds of this year's draft.

I like Marshall quite a bit more than Klay, so I'd take Marshall/Martin over him for the BOS part and be happier. Caleb's extra year doesn't scare me there, and I like him as a player too - if nothing else for him not shooting 147% from 3 against BOS in the playoffs - and BOS save another $2-3M next year and the following vs Klay.

[Texas Chuck]

I like Marshall quite a bit more than Klay, so I'd take Marshall/Martin over him for the BOS part and be happier. Caleb's extra year doesn't scare me there, and I like him as a player too - if nothing else for him not shooting 147% from 3 against BOS in the playoffs - and BOS save another $2-3M next year and the following vs Klay.

Okay well if Boston is cool with this change, I would be too. I like Marshall more than Klay too, but Klay's shooting would be handy to still have and with Flagg/PJ/Jrue/Christie I think Dallas would be okay on the wings still defensively.

I didn't know if Boston would do that, but yeah I'm totally on board with this.

[cl2117]

So basically for BOS:
BOS gives: Jrue, Porzingis, Hauser, 2 future 2nds
BOS gets: Klay, Vanderbilt

You trade 3 very able players + 2 2nds for Klay and Vanderbilt


Jrue alone is better than both combined
Resounding NO

They shed $44M in salary this year to go from far in the 2nd apron to below the tax altogether. Also shed about $15M next year to position themselves to duck the tax again which means resetting the repeater rates. I understand that's not super exciting as a fan, but you can't dismiss it. That's very real consideration for actual NBA teams.

This deal also sets them up pretty well going forward. A year without Tatum and Holiday/Porzingis/Hauser downgraded to Klay/Vanderbilt/Scheierman should give them a pretty solid 2026 pick. They'll be out of the 2nd apron so their future pick trading restrictions ease up for next offseason ahead of the 26-27 season. The modest money that Klay/Vanderbilt make combined with future draft capital and/or a good 2026 pick puts them in very solid position to make trade upgrades next year while still avoiding the tax again to reset the repeater rate in Tatum's first year back. And then beyond that, in 27-28 and beyond, the burden of the tax and 2nd apron repeater penalties will be clear and all the money saved can be reinvested into younger pieces around Tatum/Brown/White via trade.

Financial basis is really solid for BOS, but you do have to somewhat consider what you're going to add to Klay/Vandy to good players again next summer. We're not adding any picks here - and in fact are losing some. It can't just be Klay/Vandy and our limited tradeable 1sts to try to replace 2 starters and Hauser - that's not gonna bring back enough. You also have Baylor, 25 picks and FA, but that's tough to rely on. I think you gotta take our 2nds out and get a few back from SAC, at a minimum. That would give you more to work with to reload.

I also think DAL steals some value here as well. That's the best case Jure deal for them. I'd expect them to chip in more that comes BOS way (even just swaps). But it's been debated enough to not be worth rehashing.

Yeah I think there's a flaw in the logic around eating Vanderbilt so willingly (and Klay too to a lesser extent). If next year you're turning around and trying to put together a package for some player that's a more viable rotation piece and part of the value you've got to put on the table goes towards eating Vandy's last two years, you've kind of shot yourself in the foot already. Klay should be easier because he's expiring but he also comes withe some injury risk where he could end up a minor albatross.

I think that's easily solved by swapping Maxi for Vanderbilt and then some minor value coming in from SAC for Hauser and/or Charlotte for KP (or just re-routing some of that value from BKN to BOS).

Klay/Maxi and incoming 2nds as opposed to outgoing 2nds becomes a lot more palatable despite the optics of going from KP/Hauser/Jrue to the aforementioned duo. And in terms of value for the overall 7 team deal, I don't think that would shift it seismically with all teams still doing pretty well out of it.

[Cricket23]

I think at the very least this is a nice example of the type of options Boston will have, as opposed to some people's idea of having to attach multiple first round picks.

[djFan71]

They shed $44M in salary this year to go from far in the 2nd apron to below the tax altogether. Also shed about $15M next year to position themselves to duck the tax again which means resetting the repeater rates. I understand that's not super exciting as a fan, but you can't dismiss it. That's very real consideration for actual NBA teams.

This deal also sets them up pretty well going forward. A year without Tatum and Holiday/Porzingis/Hauser downgraded to Klay/Vanderbilt/Scheierman should give them a pretty solid 2026 pick. They'll be out of the 2nd apron so their future pick trading restrictions ease up for next offseason ahead of the 26-27 season. The modest money that Klay/Vanderbilt make combined with future draft capital and/or a good 2026 pick puts them in very solid position to make trade upgrades next year while still avoiding the tax again to reset the repeater rate in Tatum's first year back. And then beyond that, in 27-28 and beyond, the burden of the tax and 2nd apron repeater penalties will be clear and all the money saved can be reinvested into younger pieces around Tatum/Brown/White via trade.

Financial basis is really solid for BOS, but you do have to somewhat consider what you're going to add to Klay/Vandy to good players again next summer. We're not adding any picks here - and in fact are losing some. It can't just be Klay/Vandy and our limited tradeable 1sts to try to replace 2 starters and Hauser - that's not gonna bring back enough. You also have Baylor, 25 picks and FA, but that's tough to rely on. I think you gotta take our 2nds out and get a few back from SAC, at a minimum. That would give you more to work with to reload.

I also think DAL steals some value here as well. That's the best case Jure deal for them. I'd expect them to chip in more that comes BOS way (even just swaps). But it's been debated enough to not be worth rehashing.

Yeah I think there's a flaw in the logic around eating Vanderbilt so willingly (and Klay too to a lesser extent). If next year you're turning around and trying to put together a package for some player that's a more viable rotation piece and part of the value you've got to put on the table goes towards eating Vandy's last two years, you've kind of shot yourself in the foot already. Klay should be easier because he's expiring but he also comes withe some injury risk where he could end up a minor albatross.

I think that's easily solved by swapping Maxi for Vanderbilt and then some minor value coming in from SAC for Hauser and/or Charlotte for KP (or just re-routing some of that value from BKN to BOS).

Klay/Maxi and incoming 2nds as opposed to outgoing 2nds becomes a lot more palatable despite the optics of going from KP/Hauser/Jrue to the aforementioned duo. And in terms of value for the overall 7 team deal, I don't think that would shift it seismically with all teams still doing pretty well out of it.

Yeah, between our tweaks it gets much nice for BOS, and I think still good for the other teams. Though, I'd take Vincent instead of Maxi since we're losing Jrue.

BOS gives: Jrue, Porzingis, Hauser
BOS gets: Marshall, Martin, Vincent, 2nds from SAC

Still depressing when you just see the talent downgrade, but all the guys are playable and the financials are excellent.

[djFan71]

Bad idea I talked myself in/out of in spoiler.

Spoiler:

I think you could actually cut out LAL, SAC and BKN.

ATL takes Nurkic and Hauser for fake 2nd. Hauser less of an incentive than Knecht, but still feels mildly reasonable??? Maybe not. 2 2nds for Hauser => 2 2nds to eat $19M? I think Nurk is still a playable backup big, though, so you're only really "eating" say $10M +/- expiring???

BOS gets Gafford, Marshall, Martin. Takes Okogie temporarily, then pays someone a 2nd to eat him later in the summer or at the deadline if they don't aggregate him. That 2nd is worth the LAL filler to Gafford upgrade to me.

EDIT: The ATL part is probably no good. I'll see if I can rework it to my 4 team version and make it acceptable to them. Probably not, lol.

EDIT EDIT: Keeping Gafford doesn't save enough $ for BOS either. Need the LAL part (or someone else to take him).

[Apz]

Relatively reasonable all around but I’ve got value off in the margins for most of the teams (although realistically that’s ultimately how most NBA trades actually end up looking like).

Lakers are getting off too light. Getting off Vandy’s 3 year deal and getting a starting C should cost more than Knecht. Replace Vandy with Maxi and I think they’re in the right spot (although I can then see Lakers fans saying it’s an overpayment but they don’t really have assets in between so that’s just the way the cookie crumbles).

Charlotte get a pretty bang-up deal here. They take on under $4m in additional expiring money, get a far far better player than they guys they’re sending out and it only costs 2nds? Appreciate KP is mercurial but that just feels too good to be true when they’re not taking on any longer-term money/eating extra expiring money or sending out anything of value apart from the 2nds.

Hauser to SAC for free is quite literally a gift. They have to be kicking in some sort of value or just get removed altogether.

BRK also get too good a deal. They’re taking on 4 seconds for eating under $11m in salary of which $7.7m is expiring and $3m is a 2023 1st round pick who has been a bust so far but probably still too soon to write off entirely.

It’s really interesting, it seems like there is a really wide divide in terms of expectations for the cost of eating money under the new CBA and I think teams themselves are still adjusting so there isn’t even a good litmus test available because things are still evolving. I don't think it's going to ultimately end up costing as much as others do to eat expiring money, but I guess time will tell.

Where is this starting center lakers get? Cant be gafford. He is rotational. Now if it had been Lively, sure, but its gafford. Dont know when some started to think of gafford as a starting center

[Texas Chuck]

Where is this starting center lakers get? Cant be gafford. He is rotational. Now if it had been Lively, sure, but its gafford. Dont know when some started to think of gafford as a starting center

I mean Dallas started Gafford on a Finals run... so this idea he can't start is silly. Now if what you actually mean is he isn't a guy to throw out there for starter's minutes for 82 games, yeah he probably isn't. Lively hasn't proven that either btw.

But this is still a great deal for LA if he plays 20-25 mpg because Luka thrives with a lob threats and his rim protection and rebounding would help them.

Not ever pickup has to be a star. You need good role players too.

[165bows]

last thing sacramento needs is another SG, even if he is a good shooter. They already have Monk/Lavine/DDR whose best position is SG w/ Ellis/Carter needing minutes at the guard spots i have them saying no.

Hauser is a 6'8" F, not another SG... part of why I think he's a good fit. He's really a SF who can play some small ball PF.

Hauser into a TPE can probably be subbed to another team though. I've seen SAC fans suggest it which is why I went with them, but feels easily transferrable.

my bad, for some reason i thought he was 6'6" and played wing on Celtics. I guess this is okay if kings have a trade lined up for a forward elsehwere.

He’s 6’8” but best at the Sg/Sf spots imo.

Otherwise kudos HPF you are a maestro, could follow in Smittys footsteps if you wanted lol.

Edited to add: still don’t think Boston has to give up value to reduce costs tho. There are tons of teams that either want to compete or can’t tank due to history or the fairly extreme owed draft pick situation league wide that’s it really not clear where buyers are getting good players from. In the mid-tier of players imo it’s shaping up to a sellers market.

[Threezus]

The original deal for the Hawks i probably pull the trigger on

[ThePigeon]

So basically for BOS:
BOS gives: Jrue, Porzingis, Hauser, 2 future 2nds
BOS gets: Klay, Vanderbilt

You trade 3 very able players + 2 2nds for Klay and Vanderbilt


Jrue alone is better than both combined
Resounding NO

They shed $44M in salary this year to go from far in the 2nd apron to below the tax altogether. Also shed about $15M next year to position themselves to duck the tax again which means resetting the repeater rates. I understand that's not super exciting as a fan, but you can't dismiss it. That's very real consideration for actual NBA teams.

This deal also sets them up pretty well going forward. A year without Tatum and Holiday/Porzingis/Hauser downgraded to Klay/Vanderbilt/Scheierman should give them a pretty solid 2026 pick. They'll be out of the 2nd apron so their future pick trading restrictions ease up for next offseason ahead of the 26-27 season. The modest money that Klay/Vanderbilt make combined with future draft capital and/or a good 2026 pick puts them in very solid position to make trade upgrades next year while still avoiding the tax again to reset the repeater rate in Tatum's first year back. And then beyond that, in 27-28 and beyond, the burden of the tax and 2nd apron repeater penalties will be clear and all the money saved can be reinvested into younger pieces around Tatum/Brown/White via trade.

You disregard Brown and the return of JT
No way they accept this downgrade
A Jrue for PJ+Gafford - maybe
Porzingis to ORL or DET for one of their Centers

You don't waste assets just to shed salary and become a lottery team when you have Brown, White, PP and a returning JT

Klay and Vand are a big downgrade and the same for the second suggestion

[hugepatsfan]

So basically for BOS:
BOS gives: Jrue, Porzingis, Hauser, 2 future 2nds
BOS gets: Klay, Vanderbilt

You trade 3 very able players + 2 2nds for Klay and Vanderbilt


Jrue alone is better than both combined
Resounding NO

They shed $44M in salary this year to go from far in the 2nd apron to below the tax altogether. Also shed about $15M next year to position themselves to duck the tax again which means resetting the repeater rates. I understand that's not super exciting as a fan, but you can't dismiss it. That's very real consideration for actual NBA teams.

This deal also sets them up pretty well going forward. A year without Tatum and Holiday/Porzingis/Hauser downgraded to Klay/Vanderbilt/Scheierman should give them a pretty solid 2026 pick. They'll be out of the 2nd apron so their future pick trading restrictions ease up for next offseason ahead of the 26-27 season. The modest money that Klay/Vanderbilt make combined with future draft capital and/or a good 2026 pick puts them in very solid position to make trade upgrades next year while still avoiding the tax again to reset the repeater rate in Tatum's first year back. And then beyond that, in 27-28 and beyond, the burden of the tax and 2nd apron repeater penalties will be clear and all the money saved can be reinvested into younger pieces around Tatum/Brown/White via trade.

You disregard Brown and the return of JT
No way they accept this downgrade
A Jrue for PJ+Gafford - maybe
Porzingis to ORL or DET for one of their Centers

You don't waste assets just to shed salary and become a lottery team when you have Brown, White, PP and a returning JT

Klay and Vand are a big downgrade and the same for the second suggestion

Jrue for PJ/Gafford would probably be a dumb deal for the Celtics because it accomplishes nothing, if they keep those players. Jrue is still really good. If they aren't ducking at least the 2nd apron, then there's no point in moving him and that deal doesn't save hardly any money.

[hugepatsfan]

I also think DAL steals some value here as well. That's the best case Jure deal for them. I'd expect them to chip in more that comes BOS way (even just swaps). But it's been debated enough to not be worth rehashing.

Going to ignore your last line, so my feelings won't be hurt at all if you ignore this whole thing lol.

I think as opposed to ideal, I think its basically what it has to be? Not sure what other version there could even be? I don't see Dallas considering PJ Washington and I don't think using multiples of the Martin/Marshall/Christie sized deals is more appealing for the other teams?

That said I'm definitely open to a valuation that says Dallas owes value. The problem is a 1st round swap feels too far and I don't think Dallas considers it and Dallas has nothing else to offer. Oh a distant Philly 2nd but that's meaningless. Prosper in for Powell is maybe 12 cents more value already? Its bleak for Dallas on small assets.

And taking on that much future money isn't nothing in what Dallas contributes. IDK. I'd like Jrue, but I'll be honest the OP is about as far as I'm willing to go. Winning the lottery was obviously great for Dallas, but had they landed at 11 or 12, that becomes an asset easy to break down to juice deals like this. Without it Dallas just has nothing. Sad face.

Yeah, it's tough to figure out what to add pick wise due to your draft assets after the 1st 13 seconds of this year's draft.

I like Marshall quite a bit more than Klay, so I'd take Marshall/Martin over him for the BOS part and be happier. Caleb's extra year doesn't scare me there, and I like him as a player too - if nothing else for him not shooting 147% from 3 against BOS in the playoffs - and BOS save another $2-3M next year and the following vs Klay.

If you could work that out with Dallas, that works for the tax. Assuming BOS signs/drafts at #28 and $32, they'll be $43,978,441 over the luxury tax. On paper they can take back $29,197,909 for Jrue/Porzingis/Hauser combined and be under the tax. Martin/Marshall/Vanderbilt make a combined $30,165,473 so it's slightly over, but BOS can do other things. For example, trading #28 for #31 would save $1.5M. They can waive JD Davison (2 year experience vet min) and sign another 2-way guy from last year Drew Peterson instead (1 year experience vet min) to save about $300K. They could salary dump someone mid year (Tillman, Jordan Walsh) and backfill with a pro rated minimum player to save about $1M. They could buy another 2nd round pick to take the roster spot of Walsh or Tillman to begin with and save that $1M upfront too. There are options to shed that last small bit if they need to.

Some have suggested I gave LAL too sweet a deal including Vandy's multi year deal, so if you subbed Kleber or Vincent in then they each make slightly less so that would add to the savings ($11.57M for Vandy vs. $11.5M for Vincent and $11.0M for Kleber).

If BOS prefers keeping Hauser for shooting, which I think they would, they could probably configure it where it's Marshall or Martin getting dumped into SAC or some other team's MLE/TPE as well. Hauser makes $10.04M compared to $9.0M for Marshall and $9.59M for Martin, so it does create the need to open up more wiggle room. Alternatively they might just view Martin/Marshall as duplicative and just want to dump one anyway, independent of anything else and have more wiggle room below the tax. Or trade for a guy at a different position in follow up.

Also, while this relatively underwhelming combo of Klay/Vandy/Martin/Marshall/Kleber/Vincent, however you configure it, is designed to get BOS below the tax, they don't have to keep those specific players. There can be follow up deals. If BOS is really concerned with the downgrades on the court, they can attach picks to those guys for similarly salaries but better players. Even with the multi year money like Klay/Vandy, while not ideal, they're not some huge albatross contracts either. BOS got IND to take a multi year deal with Daniel Theis int he Brogdon trade, for example. They can still duck the tax but not make these huge downgrades on the court. Well, probably unrealistic to duck the tax and not downgrade at all, but they can use their picks to minimize that if they wish. Personally, I think better served waiting until Tatum is back to do that, in part because a 2026 pick from a downgraded roster would become the most valuable chip they have even if it's just a mid 1st from them scrapping into the play in.