For daoneandonly AD to Houston

[Texas Chuck]

I can accept Green as neutral, but I have Jabari and Reed as significantly more valuable than what is being assigned in this thread. Would not move either for #3 in this draft, for example.

If that is the case, simple solution, swap them for Hous 28 pick and Dallas 29 pick.

Houston still has to match salary some way and probably can't pay Smith which is why he was in the deal. But I'm open to other versions of equal value that work better for Houston.

No chance #3 would be offered for either guy so it matters not you wouldn't do that. Smith has one year left and Reed's value certainly only went down after showing nothing and losing a rookie year.

The idea of valuing those 2 guys as > pick 3 seems crazy high to me and was certainly not my valuation of AD. but if you think AD is worth that much keep your players and give us the valuable picks.

[LarsV8]

But Green is not neutral, he's surely negative

You are free to value him however you want, but what you can't do is dictate to me how I must value him.

I see a very young player, with great physical gifts, durable, and has improved every year he has been in the league.

Good defender, and a positive impact on the court.

While he may be overpaid, he is far from a finished project.

Sheppard isn't even a top 3 player in his class but he should be in this one? Not saying he's a bust, but damn, that's kind of crazy.

Sheppard hasn't played basically at all, so I find your statement to be fairly flawed. I would point to the games he started this year in both the G League and in the NBA, as quite promising, and clearly supporting the possibility of him becoming a very very good player.

Again, you are free to value him however you want, but the premise of this thread is, hey, trade us your players that we don't think are very valuable. Okay, well, we think they are more valuable than you do, so instead, lets find other pieces where we agree on the value, so the trade works for all parties.

[facothomas22]

I can accept Green as neutral, but I have Jabari and Reed as significantly more valuable than what is being assigned in this thread. Would not move either for #3 in this draft, for example.

If that is the case, simple solution, swap them for Hous 28 pick and Dallas 29 pick.

You are highly overrating the players on the Rockets. Jabari Smith and Reed Sheppard combined are not worth the 3rd in the pick in this year's draft, let alone by themselves. Reed Sheppard wouldn't even be a top 5 pick in redraft of his own draft class, which was a much weaker draft compared to this year's draft class. Far as Jabari Smith, he's good defender, but he's struggling to find consistency on offense. Nobody is giving up a top 5-10 pick in this year's class for him. Maybe a late lottery pick if you're lucky.

[Darren]

Dallas would be pretty far through a rebuild quickly.
Green, Sheppard, Jabari, Flagg, Lively - starting five all lottery picks with tons of potential. Also have 10, Christie and whatever they can get for pj, Gafford, Klay, Martin and Naji.

I think you can't keep that many young players under the hard cap. Anyway, I think Houston wants KD or Giannis in a major trade and move on from FVV. Personally, I like Dillion Brooks more than those unproven players.

[wemby]

Sheppard isn't even a top 3 player in his class but he should be in this one? Not saying he's a bust, but damn, that's kind of crazy.

Sheppard hasn't played basically at all, so I find your statement to be fairly flawed. I would point to the games he started this year in both the G League and in the NBA, as quite promising, and clearly supporting the possibility of him becoming a very very good player.

Again, you are free to value him however you want, but the premise of this thread is, hey, trade us your players that we don't think are very valuable. Okay, well, we think they are more valuable than you do, so instead, lets find other pieces where we agree on the value, so the trade works for all parties.

I said Sheppardd wasn't a top 3 player in his class a year ago, so me saying it now isn't flawed when he's done nothing to improve his case. There's plenty of fringe rotation players who went off in the G League and can't get playing time in the NBA, so that really doesn't do anything for me. For the record, I think Sheppard likely finds his place in the league, but I don't a lot of fans would share your view he's worth a top 3 pick in this class, not outside of Houston.

[LarsV8]

Houston still has to match salary some way and probably can't pay Smith which is why he was in the deal. But I'm open to other versions of equal value that work better for Houston.

but if you think AD is worth that much keep your players and give us the valuable picks.

Green
Jock
Holiday
#10
2028 Hou #1 Unprotected
2029 Dallas Option Rescinded

[Astaluego]

I posted something similar on the Mavs forum. Would the 76ers do PG+3 for Gafford/PJ/Klay/Marshall+10? In this case, submit. J. Smith + Lakers 29 for Dallas 26?

[wemby]

Houston still has to match salary some way and probably can't pay Smith which is why he was in the deal. But I'm open to other versions of equal value that work better for Houston.

but if you think AD is worth that much keep your players and give us the valuable picks.

Green
Jock
Holiday
#10
2028 Hou #1 Unprotected
2029 Dallas Option Rescinded

So a negative, two iniconsequential players, a pick projected deep in the 20s (Rockets 28, most likely) and a swap rescinded from a team who would be hitting reset and back on their feet by then? This is #10 + change. Not serious.

[daoneandonly]

What metric shows Green is a good defender?

Most Houston fans have him as a negative.

[Darren]

I am fine with rebuilding, but I think a playmaker is needed in any AD trade. If Egor Demin is available at 10, I would think about it. As of now, this trade does not move a needle. More young assets do not mean good rebuilding if the young assets involved couldn't be a positive piece on both ends of the playoff setting. And you'd face a dilemma to overpay the mediocre at some point. This may make things worst. If you have Spoestra or Pop or Kerr as a coach, you can bet on developing young players. With Kidd, I don't know.

[Frankie]

I can accept Green as neutral, but I have Jabari and Reed as significantly more valuable than what is being assigned in this thread. Would not move either for #3 in this draft, for example.

If that is the case, simple solution, swap them for Hous 28 pick and Dallas 29 pick.

You are highly overrating the players on the Rockets. Jabari Smith and Reed Sheppard combined are not worth the 3rd in the pick in this year's draft, let alone by themselves. Reed Sheppard wouldn't even be a top 5 pick in redraft of his own draft class, which was a much weaker draft compared to this year's draft class. Far as Jabari Smith, he's good defender, but he's struggling to find consistency on offense. Nobody is giving up a top 5-10 pick in this year's class for him. Maybe a late lottery pick if you're lucky.

The 3rd pick in this year's draft is highly likely to be Ace Bailey. You think Jabari and Sheppard combined worth less than that kid?

[Texas Chuck]

I can accept Green as neutral, but I have Jabari and Reed as significantly more valuable than what is being assigned in this thread. Would not move either for #3 in this draft, for example.

If that is the case, simple solution, swap them for Hous 28 pick and Dallas 29 pick.

You are highly overrating the players on the Rockets. Jabari Smith and Reed Sheppard combined are not worth the 3rd in the pick in this year's draft, let alone by themselves. Reed Sheppard wouldn't even be a top 5 pick in redraft of his own draft class, which was a much weaker draft compared to this year's draft class. Far as Jabari Smith, he's good defender, but he's struggling to find consistency on offense. Nobody is giving up a top 5-10 pick in this year's class for him. Maybe a late lottery pick if you're lucky.

The 3rd pick in this year's draft is highly likely to be Ace Bailey. You think Jabari and Sheppard combined worth less than that kid?

The 3rd pick is your right to choose any player after Flagg and Harper. Doesn't have to be Bailey.

And yeah I think its worth more. Jabari is due a new contract and his value on a new deal isn't particularly high and Sheppard's value has only gone done after not playing and losing a rookie year.

Doesn't mean Houston would want to trade them for that pick or anything, but in terms of raw value? Yeah I'd have 3 worth more.

[Frankie]

You are highly overrating the players on the Rockets. Jabari Smith and Reed Sheppard combined are not worth the 3rd in the pick in this year's draft, let alone by themselves. Reed Sheppard wouldn't even be a top 5 pick in redraft of his own draft class, which was a much weaker draft compared to this year's draft class. Far as Jabari Smith, he's good defender, but he's struggling to find consistency on offense. Nobody is giving up a top 5-10 pick in this year's class for him. Maybe a late lottery pick if you're lucky.

The 3rd pick in this year's draft is highly likely to be Ace Bailey. You think Jabari and Sheppard combined worth less than that kid?

The 3rd pick is your right to choose any player after Flagg and Harper. Doesn't have to be Bailey.

And yeah I think its worth more. Jabari is due a new contract and his value on a new deal isn't particularly high and Sheppard's value has only gone done after not playing and losing a rookie year.

Doesn't mean Houston would want to trade them for that pick or anything, but in terms of raw value? Yeah I'd have 3 worth more.

Fair enough. I think no team, if they had Jabari and Sheppard, would trade them both for the return of just the 3rd pick. At least I don't think so. Raw value is nice and all, but I think you're undervaluing both players, especially Jabari.

[Texas Chuck]

The 3rd pick in this year's draft is highly likely to be Ace Bailey. You think Jabari and Sheppard combined worth less than that kid?

The 3rd pick is your right to choose any player after Flagg and Harper. Doesn't have to be Bailey.

And yeah I think its worth more. Jabari is due a new contract and his value on a new deal isn't particularly high and Sheppard's value has only gone done after not playing and losing a rookie year.

Doesn't mean Houston would want to trade them for that pick or anything, but in terms of raw value? Yeah I'd have 3 worth more.

Fair enough. I think no team, if they had Jabari and Sheppard, would trade them both for the return of just the 3rd pick. At least I don't think so. Raw value is nice and all, but I think you're undervaluing both players, especially Jabari.

I mean I proposed a trade bringing both guys to the team I root for. So probably not guys I'm disrespecting....

But the reality is contracts impact value. Jabari's draft slot and perceived potential almost certainly mean a 9 figure 2nd contract. Right now his level of play makes him have no real value on that contract. Sheppard needs to show his game translates at this level. I still think it can obviously or I wouldn't include him in the deal, but having not played and a rookie contract year falling off just means his trade value has gone down. I don't really see an argument against that, do you?

I like the players. I think both have a chance to be solid starters in this league. I just think the 3rd pick has more trade value for the reasons I gave.