Holiday Trade du Jrue: BOS, ATL, DAL now with LAL

[djFan71]

Same Dallas return, so same complaints from some DAL fans, same acceptance from others.

BOS in: Knecht, Rui, Marshall, Mann
BOS out: Jrue, KP, Tillman

DAL in: Jrue
DAL out: Gafford, Marshall, Martin

ATL in: KP, Martin
ATL out: Mann, Niang

LAL in: Gafford, Niang
LAL out: Rui, Knecht

Same reasons / return for DAL, ATL
BOS saves $16.3M here and gets 4 good players back.
LAL gets Gafford for Luka and also Niang who is a good vet role player.


BOS is a Hauser (or Marshall) TPE trade away from ducking the 2nd apron. And future moves with any of the guys returned are very possible as well.

[hugepatsfan]

Feels like LAL is overpaying for Gafford with Rui and Knecht. I'd say that Rui/Gafford are similar caliber players on expiring deals for, roughly, the same salary. I think "good vet role player" is kind of a generous description of Niang because he's not all that playable in the playoffs, but admittedly he's fine regular season depth. I'd say his inclusion here is a negative for LAL as opposed to a positive though.

KP didn't fit well with Luka as that classic heliocentric ball handler, so I kind of question the fit with Trae but if they get him for free it's prbably a fair gamble to take. ATL paid a decent price for Mann at the deadline because, I think, they value his ability to be a big ball handler next to Trae and also subbing in for him at times too. I don't think they'd want to swap him for Martin. So send Martin to BOS instead bot then the salary matching for KP falls part.

Also, FWIW, BOS functionally saves more than $16.3M here because they're filling a roster spot. They'd be able to waive JD Davison after this, for example, since under contract guys plus their 2 picks give them 14 players. So it's more like $18.5M in savings, practically speaking. Now, the Hauser dump you mentioned might eat up that extra roster spot but just pointing that out for BOS's luxury tax math.

[djFan71]

Feels like LAL is overpaying for Gafford with Rui and Knecht. I'd say that Rui/Gafford are similar caliber players on expiring deals for, roughly, the same salary. I think "good vet role player" is kind of a generous description of Niang because he's not all that playable in the playoffs, but admittedly he's fine regular season depth. I'd say his inclusion here is a negative for LAL as opposed to a positive though.

KP didn't fit well with Luka as that classic heliocentric ball handler, so I kind of question the fit with Trae but if they get him for free it's prbably a fair gamble to take. ATL paid a decent price for Mann at the deadline because, I think, they value his ability to be a big ball handler next to Trae and also subbing in for him at times too. I don't think they'd want to swap him for Martin. So send Martin to BOS instead bot then the salary matching for KP falls part.

Also, FWIW, BOS functionally saves more than $16.3M here because they're filling a roster spot. They'd be able to waive JD Davison after this, for example, since under contract guys plus their 2 picks give them 14 players. So it's more like $18.5M in savings, practically speaking. Now, the Hauser dump you mentioned might eat up that extra roster spot but just pointing that out for BOS's luxury tax math.

Funny, I, of course, got the opposite feedback on our board that it was helping the Lakers too much.

Yeah, the darn exceptions trickery with ATL prevents not sending someone to take someone else back of similar salary. Annoying, but live by the loophole, die by the loophole.

Totally agree on the last part, but I assumed follow on moves so it just wasn't worth it to me to get that precise quite yet.

[Larry_Russell]

Swap Rui to Vanderbilt and I think it makes more sense for the lakers.

[djFan71]

Swap Rui to Vanderbilt and I think it makes more sense for the lakers.

I'd probably just keep Gafford and Niang if that's the return.

[Texas Chuck]

Feels like LAL is overpaying for Gafford with Rui and Knecht. I'd say that Rui/Gafford are similar caliber players on expiring deals for, roughly, the same salary.

I think thats pretty reasonable. I do think LA would pay something to swap them just because of how badly they need a center and how well Gafford fits with Luka, but Knecht may be too much.

I do think Niang probably does help LA in the regular season. But I wouldn't have him as really a value add either.

[DNP-Old]

Swap Rui to Vanderbilt and I think it makes more sense for the lakers.

I'd probably just keep Gafford and Niang if that's the return.

How about swapping Niang for Hauser?

[djFan71]

Feels like LAL is overpaying for Gafford with Rui and Knecht. I'd say that Rui/Gafford are similar caliber players on expiring deals for, roughly, the same salary.

I think thats pretty reasonable. I do think LA would pay something to swap them just because of how badly they need a center and how well Gafford fits with Luka, but Knecht may be too much.

I do think Niang probably does help LA in the regular season. But I wouldn't have him as really a value add either.

Does pick 32 even it out? Not sure I wanna go that far, but it's an option. Or Hauser instead of Niang like DNP-Old suggests.

[Texas Chuck]

I think pick 32 definitely evens it out. Not sure why it would really be a hold up for either side though. Especially not Boston.

[djFan71]

I think pick 32 definitely evens it out. Not sure why it would really be a hold up for either side though. Especially not Boston.

Mainly cuz I'm on the fence about wanting Rui/Knecht back in the first place vs just keeping Gafford, dumping Niang to a TPE somewhere (for a lesser 2nd pick at most or for free) and getting the cheap salary at 32.

[djFan71]

Would ATL want Vucevic for Niang straight? More availability than KP, less D. They get to keep Mann.

Other thread had:

KP to CHI
Vuc to ATL
Ayo to BKN for 36 (not sure who got it)

I'd add ATL to do Vuc for Niang to save BOS a ton of money.

[djFan71]

For LAL side of it, what if it's Caleb Martin and Gafford for Rui and Knecht?

[redslastlaugh]

don't hate it for anyone, except I think LAL wants to get a center using Maxi/Gabe and keep Rui
but just generally this is the ultimate pu-pu platter trade, as Bill Simmons used to say
lol

Same Dallas return, so same complaints from some DAL fans, same acceptance from others.

BOS in: Knecht, Rui, Marshall, Mann
BOS out: Jrue, KP, Tillman

DAL in: Jrue
DAL out: Gafford, Marshall, Martin

ATL in: KP, Martin
ATL out: Mann, Niang

LAL in: Gafford, Niang
LAL out: Rui, Knecht

Same reasons / return for DAL, ATL
BOS saves $16.3M here and gets 4 good players back.
LAL gets Gafford for Luka and also Niang who is a good vet role player.


BOS is a Hauser (or Marshall) TPE trade away from ducking the 2nd apron. And future moves with any of the guys returned are very possible as well.

[djFan71]

My new version to get BOS to duck the tax (if they want):

Trade 1
LAL in: Gafford, Caleb Martin
LAL out: Rui, Knecht

DAL in: Jrue
DAL out: Gafford, Martin, Marshall

BOS in: Rui, Knecht, Marshall
BOS out: Jrue

Lakers get Gafford for Luka and Martin is a legitimate playoff rotation guy.

Trade 2
Stealing/adapting ideas from other threads on Vuc/KP

ATL in: Vucevic
ATL out: Niang

CHI in: KP
CHI out: Vucevic, Ayo

BKN in: Ayo
BKN out: 36

BOS in: 36
BOS out: KP

Trades 3+
BOS now has Hauser, Marshall and Niang.
All 3 are good players that fit into MLE and teams like DET, SAC could want any of them. Hauser and Marshall could return 2nds. Niang could be neutral or cost one of those 2nds to go somewhere. SAC could actually take 2 of them. Or pay WAS, BKN, etc.

If you do all that BOS is $11M under that tax with pick 28, 32, 36, Kornet and/or Horford to work with. You probably pick 3 of them and go with 14 guys and an open roster spot under the tax. If it happens by draft day, maybe you move up or out with 28 depending on how things fall, or just flip for future picks.

If it's 28 & Kornet (most likely), you have:

Pritchard, White, Brown, Rui, Kornet
JD, Sheierman, Knecht, Walsh, Queta
Tillman, 28, <spot 14>
x=> Tatum