Wizards/Hawks 1 for 1

[Texas Chuck]

Smart

for

Niang*

*if Washington would prefer not to take Niang, they send Atlanta a decent future 2nd

Wizards save some money on a player they don't need, do right by his agent getting him to a team trying to compete, get a TPE. If they keep Niang, he offers some bench spacing to help develop kids

Hawks need bench guards, take a flier on Smart for a year, they have plenty of room under the tax and a TPE big enough to take him on. Also get a 2nd if they keep Niang.

[Godaddycurse]

think atlanta is owed 2nd(s) even with sending niang out. maybe loop in 3rd team who wants to dump salary.

something like

orlando sends anthony + 3 seconds
Washington sends smart, get anthony/2nd
atlanta get smart/2nds

anthony goes into MLE TPE so washington still get big tpe

[Texas Chuck]

think atlanta is owed 2nd(s) even with sending niang out. maybe loop in 3rd team who wants to dump salary.

something like

orlando sends anthony + 3 seconds
Washington sends smart, get anthony/2nd
atlanta get smart/2nds

anthony goes into MLE TPE so washington still get big tpe

Not sure Orlando wants to pay 3 2nds to dump Anthony? But better for the others if they do. I just figured Smart for one year on an effective MLE deal(with Niang out) wasn't a bad gamble for a team who needs the help there. But if we believe Smart is just utterly broken the Hawks probably shouldn't do your version either.

[psman2]

The Hawks are rather thin at PF and Niang played well there after traded. With JJ's injury history I think the Hawks rather keep him unless they get another forward back in FA or in trade. I also think dumping 100% of Smart contract is going to cost more than just a decent 2nd, Washington doesn't need to dump him so they likely will not pay much more though. It also sounds like the plan is to reup LeVert. Mann is likely a 20-25 minute 2/3. Kobe Bufkin should be given developmental minutes behind Trae. So the need for Smart is not huge imo, but I rather take him in than someone like Vuc that has been proposed into that TPE.

Plus I think the Hawks should really try to leverage the TPE with being on of the few teams that can offer that much cap space.

[Godaddycurse]

think atlanta is owed 2nd(s) even with sending niang out. maybe loop in 3rd team who wants to dump salary.

something like

orlando sends anthony + 3 seconds
Washington sends smart, get anthony/2nd
atlanta get smart/2nds

anthony goes into MLE TPE so washington still get big tpe

Not sure Orlando wants to pay 3 2nds to dump Anthony? But better for the others if they do. I just figured Smart for one year on an effective MLE deal(with Niang out) wasn't a bad gamble for a team who needs the help there. But if we believe Smart is just utterly broken the Hawks probably shouldn't do your version either.

Orlando should dump anthony if it means they can dodge the tax. but it all depends on how/if they address their glaring PG hole first i guess.

[Lucky Once]

Washington isn't paying to dump salary unless it facilitates another deal that brings in an asset.

As a decent sized expiring, Smart has value to Washington as ballast for a longer bad contract + asset deal. On top of that he seemed to embrace his role as a mentor for the short period he was in Washington. Pass.

[Texas Chuck]

Washington isn't paying to dump salary unless it facilitates another deal that brings in an asset.

As a decent sized expiring, Smart has value to Washington as ballast for a longer bad contract + asset deal. On top of that he seemed to embrace his role as a mentor for the short period he was in Washington. Pass.

So worst case they would pay one 2nd to get off $21M in salary this year. Do I believe Washington could leverage that room to gain back more than one 2nd? Of course. Do you not believe that to be possible? Much easier to get value taking back no salary than asking a team to pay you and take back Smart.

I guess in these deals I have to spell out the next move, but I trust posters are smart enough to see what could be done and I don't want to overcomplicate a small deal by having another fanbase come in and say we would never do that as you just did.

But $21M in spending/selling power for one 2nd is good value. Or as the original deal was, simply $13M in selling/spending power for free.

Fail to see how this is an immediate pass given your own criteria?

[psman2]

Washington isn't paying to dump salary unless it facilitates another deal that brings in an asset.

As a decent sized expiring, Smart has value to Washington as ballast for a longer bad contract + asset deal. On top of that he seemed to embrace his role as a mentor for the short period he was in Washington. Pass.

I think idea here is the Smart size TPE would be able to be sold off for more value than Smart himself. Atlanta is less likely to take on long term bad salary into their big TPE than Washington would if they had that TPE. The TPE can offer both immediate and long term salary relief rather than just Smart offering some on-court value to the right team and the ability to eat long bad salary.

But that bigger trade might not come along that can utilize that bigger TPE, and Washington already has the Val TPE, and the MLE can use as a TPE too, so another bigger TPE might not be all valuable beyond money savings for the owner.

[Texas Chuck]

Washington isn't paying to dump salary unless it facilitates another deal that brings in an asset.

As a decent sized expiring, Smart has value to Washington as ballast for a longer bad contract + asset deal. On top of that he seemed to embrace his role as a mentor for the short period he was in Washington. Pass.

I think idea here is the Smart size TPE would be able to be sold off for more value than Smart himself. Atlanta is less likely to take on long term bad salary into their big TPE than Washington would if they had that TPE. The TPE can offer both immediate and long term salary relief rather than just Smart offering some on-court value to the right team and the ability to eat long bad salary.

But that bigger trade might not come along that can utilize that bigger TPE, and Washington already has the Val TPE, and the MLE can use as a TPE too, so another bigger TPE might not be all valuable beyond money savings for the owner.

Not just the TPE, but also the room under tax to sell more. But lets say they use none of it, $13M for free is good. Not sure Smart is worth $13M in mentoring? $21M for 1 2nd is good.

IDK, I'm a little surprised Washington auto-turned down what feels no-brainery value for them.

[Ball4life32]

The Hawks are rather thin at PF and Niang played well there after traded. With JJ's injury history I think the Hawks rather keep him unless they get another forward back in FA or in trade. I also think dumping 100% of Smart contract is going to cost more than just a decent 2nd, Washington doesn't need to dump him so they likely will not pay much more though. It also sounds like the plan is to reup LeVert. Mann is likely a 20-25 minute 2/3. Kobe Bufkin should be given developmental minutes behind Trae. So the need for Smart is not huge imo, but I rather take him in than someone like Vuc that has been proposed into that TPE.

Plus I think the Hawks should really try to leverage the TPE with being on of the few teams that can offer that much cap space.

I actually liked Mo Gueye behind JJ next year instead of Niang. Hawks looked really good defensively when he was playing.

[jayjaysee]

I do think Washington wins in value here.

For Atlanta side, I like Smart’s fit. If they haven’t fallen in love with Mann, I think they could turn around and flip him for size and trust in Smart’s defense to make it work with Caris and Kobe off the bench?

Washington could call any of the teams looking to dump salary as part of this trade. Unless they’re taking on a deal larger than Smart’s it doesn’t change anything if it’s now or later.. some opp cost lost in waiting, but the other team no longer would have to pay Smart so other teams gain a lot of tax relief..

[Astaluego]

Looking from the outside, I think the Hawks have the defensive guard position covered (with questionable shooting) with Mann and Daniels who are also younger, I think he should use his space, in a 3/4 or in a center (especially if Capela leaves), I would even say that they need Niang more than Smart...
I would be looking for someone like Toppin / Aldama etc and continue adding pieces that fit into their timeline.

[nate33]

I think the trade is fair; it's just incomplete. The Wizards aren't helped by generating more cap room, so this trade alone really amounts to them sacrificing a pick to generate cap room that they don't need while getting worse on the floor (under the assumption that Smart is a better actual player than Dieng). That makes little sense for a rebuilding team.

I understand that the real prize in this deal is the giant TPE the Wizards end up getting from Atlanta. The question is, of what value is that TPE? What kind of picks can the Wizards reasonably hope to buy with that TPE? I don't know the answer to that.

I think this whole trade concept would go over better if a third team was involved and we could work out how the Wizards translate that TPE into the type of pick capital they are actually looking for.

[penbeast0]

Better to get talent of course, but I'd do it for Washington for a 2 straight up. The chance of getting more value for the TPE is real and, frankly, even for billionaires that's a decent chunk of change. That and Washington has been accumulating extra 2nds and may not have a ton of time available to develop them.

[CP War Hawks]

The Hawks are rather thin at PF and Niang played well there after traded. With JJ's injury history I think the Hawks rather keep him unless they get another forward back in FA or in trade. I also think dumping 100% of Smart contract is going to cost more than just a decent 2nd, Washington doesn't need to dump him so they likely will not pay much more though. It also sounds like the plan is to reup LeVert. Mann is likely a 20-25 minute 2/3. Kobe Bufkin should be given developmental minutes behind Trae. So the need for Smart is not huge imo, but I rather take him in than someone like Vuc that has been proposed into that TPE.

Plus I think the Hawks should really try to leverage the TPE with being on of the few teams that can offer that much cap space.

I actually liked Mo Gueye behind JJ next year instead of Niang. Hawks looked really good defensively when he was playing.

I agree with PS more/less. Niang is easily the best shooter on the roster at a priority position, pf+c. JJ's injury concerns are real, Hawks need every bit of depth at 4. MG is all defense with very little offense, he should be the 3rd option 4+5 until he improves his scoring.

[Threezus]

The Hawks are rather thin at PF and Niang played well there after traded. With JJ's injury history I think the Hawks rather keep him unless they get another forward back in FA or in trade. I also think dumping 100% of Smart contract is going to cost more than just a decent 2nd, Washington doesn't need to dump him so they likely will not pay much more though. It also sounds like the plan is to reup LeVert. Mann is likely a 20-25 minute 2/3. Kobe Bufkin should be given developmental minutes behind Trae. So the need for Smart is not huge imo, but I rather take him in than someone like Vuc that has been proposed into that TPE.

Plus I think the Hawks should really try to leverage the TPE with being on of the few teams that can offer that much cap space.

I actually liked Mo Gueye behind JJ next year instead of Niang. Hawks looked really good defensively when he was playing.

I agree with PS more/less. Niang is easily the best shooter on the roster at a priority position, pf+c. JJ's injury concerns are real, Hawks need every bit of depth at 4. MG is all defense with very little offense, he should be the 3rd option 4+5 until he improves his scoring.

Im with you on this one i was actually quite impressed and thrilled to have Niang on the team. He also provided something i felt we were lacking the last few years. In that he would be a bit of an nuisance to other teams and get up in their famous and make them uncomfortable. Plus be there to try and defend our guys if someone tried to bully them a bit. To me we have missed this to a degree since Solomon Hill was removed from the roster. He was a big help to trae and the crew during that ecf run we had.

Im not against a player like Smart but wouldn't swap niang to do it as i think he would be a nice defensive addition that can handle the rock and i don't trust Bufkin 1 dang bit to stay healthy and on the roster at this point.