MIL/CLE - Giannis to Cavs (no Mobley)

[Dr Positivity]

Milwaukee trades:
Giannis

Cleveland trades:
Darius Garland
Jarrett Allen
2030 swap
2031 unprotected 1st
2032 swap

Why for Milwaukee? They get excellent package for Giannis with Garland who could blow up on his own team, starting C in Allen and good picks when Giannis is old.

Why for Cleveland? While they give up king's ransom, a Giannis/Mobley frontcourt is cheating and Mitchell as the starting PG with Giannis playmaking works and allows them to play more size at the off guard in these playoff series.

[toooskies]

Isn’t this simple. The Cavs can’t aggregate salary without getting and staying under the 2nd apron.

Which means the Cavs need to also trade another salary (Okoro?) to a third team and forfeit the possibility of re-signing Jerome and Merrill as well.

Even if this was the best value for MIL, which it likely wouldn’t be, it’s a big blow to the Cavs’ depth.

[jbk1234]

Isn’t this simple. The Cavs can’t aggregate salary without getting and staying under the 2nd apron.

Which means the Cavs need to also trade another salary (Okoro?) to a third team and forfeit the possibility of re-signing Jerome and Merrill as well.

Even if this was the best value for MIL, which it likely wouldn’t be, it’s a big blow to the Cavs’ depth.

Just execute the trade before June 1.

[brackdan70]

Isn’t this simple. The Cavs can’t aggregate salary without getting and staying under the 2nd apron.

Which means the Cavs need to also trade another salary (Okoro?) to a third team and forfeit the possibility of re-signing Jerome and Merrill as well.

Even if this was the best value for MIL, which it likely wouldn’t be, it’s a big blow to the Cavs’ depth.

Just execute the trade before June 1.

How does that help? They still have to aggregate right and are hard capped so still need send salary out elsewhere to stay under the 2024/25 Apron right? Am I missing something.

[facothomas22]

The Cavaliers are not getting Giannis without giving up Evan Mobley. They simply won't have assets to make a reasonable offer otherwise.

[machu46]

I like Garland and all, but if the best we can get for Giannis is him, Allen, and a single first round pick, I think I'd have to consider giving up being an NBA fan.

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[MoneyTalks41890]

I still like this concept of the Bucks don’t go the prospect/pick route. But it needs more value, not sure what else Cleveland can do there.

[Scoot McGroot]

Isn’t this simple. The Cavs can’t aggregate salary without getting and staying under the 2nd apron.

Which means the Cavs need to also trade another salary (Okoro?) to a third team and forfeit the possibility of re-signing Jerome and Merrill as well.

Even if this was the best value for MIL, which it likely wouldn’t be, it’s a big blow to the Cavs’ depth.

Just execute the trade before June 1.

I assume you mean before July 1, but that still hard caps the Cavs for all of 2025-26.

A team that engages in any of the trade transactions described under the First
and Second Apron Level rules above after the last day of the Regular Season of
a Salary Cap Year will be unable to subsequently have a Team Salary that
exceeds the applicable Apron level for the remainder of the then-current Salary
Cap Year as well as for the immediately following Salary Cap Year.
(Notwithstanding this general rule, there will be certain transition rules
applicable to trade transactions occurring during the period from the day after
the last day of the 2023-24 Regular Season through June 30, 2024.)

[Mr Loggins]

I still like this concept of the Bucks don’t go the prospect/pick route. But it needs more value, not sure what else Cleveland can do there.

what about subbing Mitchell in for Garland?

I think that is a win-win. Mitchell-Allen will he a floor riser for Milwaukee. They won’t be a championship contender, but will stay winning sans Giannis, which they need to do since they dont control their picks.

Mobley-Giannis-Garland-Hunter-Strus is championship potential

[DowJones]

I still like this concept of the Bucks don’t go the prospect/pick route. But it needs more value, not sure what else Cleveland can do there.

what about subbing Mitchell in for Garland?

I think that is a win-win. Mitchell-Allen will he a floor riser for Milwaukee. They won’t be a championship contender, but will stay winning sans Giannis, which they need to do since they dont control their picks.

Mobley-Giannis-Garland-Hunter-Strus is championship potential

Mitchell only has 2 years of team control remaining. He won't stick around Milwaukee.

I obviously do Garland/Allen for Giannis as a Cavs fan, but Milwaukee won't. Some version of Mobley and Garland is the only trade that makes sense. Maybe Garland goes to New Orleans for Jones (routed to Cleveland) plus Milwaukee gets control of their 2026 and 2027 drafts back from the Pelicans. That lets Milwaukee to do a 2 year "tank" with a 23 year old All-NBA big as the foundation.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I still like this concept of the Bucks don’t go the prospect/pick route. But it needs more value, not sure what else Cleveland can do there.

what about subbing Mitchell in for Garland?

I think that is a win-win. Mitchell-Allen will he a floor riser for Milwaukee. They won’t be a championship contender, but will stay winning sans Giannis, which they need to do since they dont control their picks.

Mobley-Giannis-Garland-Hunter-Strus is championship potential

Needs a third team. Maybe Houston? But then you get the why don’t they cut the cavs out question.

[Texas Chuck]

This just isn't enough value. But Mobley/salary/picks would be. And the team would make a lot more sense. If we set aside our belief that a guy is untouchable just because we've said he is, then it becomes such an obvious trade for the Cavs to push themselves to the clear favorites in the East and for the Bucks, Mobley gives you that foundational asset you've said you want.

It makes all the sense, but we just won't consider the obvious trade...

[MoneyTalks41890]

This just isn't enough value. But Mobley/salary/picks would be. And the team would make a lot more sense. If we set aside our belief that a guy is untouchable just because we've said he is, then it becomes such an obvious trade for the Cavs to push themselves to the clear favorites in the East and for the Bucks, Mobley gives you that foundational asset you've said you want.

It makes all the sense, but we just won't consider the obvious trade...

I agree with this. Mobley on the table offers a clean out for the Bucks that another team would have a hard time matching and still being able to compete.

Move Allen for a 3/D forward and that’s a team still. Better than the current one.

But I also get the hesitation to go there when there aren’t clearly superior offers being discussed from Garland.

[Texas Chuck]

But I also get the hesitation to go there when there aren’t clearly superior offers being discussed from Garland.

Here. On this board. Where we have some Spurs posters suggesting Harper or Castle in the deal being too much. I don't believe this represents real life. Or some Rockets fans being like Green, Smith, a couple picks is our max offer. Again I don't think this represents real life.

I don't think if Giannis asked out and had multiple teams on his list, that Garland/Allen would remotely be the best offer. I think both Texas teams would blow it out and probably another surprise team or two.

It's just here we love our guys, we think our timeline is later, we have all the leverage, blah blah. I think when a player like Giannis is available teams understand its going to cost but its worth that cost if we have enough left. And Cleveland with a Mobley based deal has plenty left. Both Texas teams could make a generous offer and have plenty left.

But we're greedy and so we spin narratives. What can we do?

[toooskies]

But I also get the hesitation to go there when there aren’t clearly superior offers being discussed from Garland.

Here. On this board. Where we have some Spurs posters suggesting Harper or Castle in the deal being too much. I don't believe this represents real life. Or some Rockets fans being like Green, Smith, a couple picks is our max offer. Again I don't think this represents real life.

I don't think if Giannis asked out and had multiple teams on his list, that Garland/Allen would remotely be the best offer. I think both Texas teams would blow it out and probably another surprise team or two.

It's just here we love our guys, we think our timeline is later, we have all the leverage, blah blah. I think when a player like Giannis is available teams understand its going to cost but its worth that cost if we have enough left. And Cleveland with a Mobley based deal has plenty left. Both Texas teams could make a generous offer and have plenty left.

But we're greedy and so we spin narratives. What can we do?

The majority of trades that do happen are trades that some fans/organizations wouldn’t do and some that they would. Within an organization there may be some voices that would be in favor and others against.

The issues in a Mobley/Giannis swap are that:
- Giannis and Mitchell are both free agents in just 2 years; the window here is narrow.
- The 2nd apron aggregation rule means the Cavs lose more value than they can convey and have depth issues. (The Cavs need to offload likely two of Hunter/Allen/Strus/Okoro to make the trade valid and lose Jerome/Merrill in free agency.)
- Giannis/Allen has more spacing issues than Mobley/Allen so an Allen trade is necessary.
- If two small guards or guard injuries is an issue preventing the Cavs from winning a title, that isn’t solved either.
- All of a sudden you have very little of your 64-win team still on the roster.

In all likelihood the Cavs’ risk doesn’t out-weigh the reward— possibly even in the short term.The OP here (plus Okoro to a third team for apron purposes, losing Jerome + Merrill in free agency) is more or less the threshold of what the Cavs can afford, and yes, it’s probably beaten by multiple teams.

[JonHeist]

no thanks, and that is absolutely not "an excellent package"

[JayMKE]

Garland + Allen + some swaps in the 2030s is not remotely close, it is not an excellent package. Garland and Allen would not make the Bucks even a playoff team, they would be worthless on the Bucks without Giannis. 2 swaps and 1 pick pick in the 2030s is pathetic compensation. If this was the best package for Giannis I would 100% risk him walking.

Bucks don’t do this even with Mobley. Cavs don’t have the assets to deal for Giannis.