Denver - Boston - SAS - Brooklyn

[Godaddycurse]

my last nuggets proposal for tonight..

Denver out: MPJ, Saric, 2031 top 4 protected 1st
Denver in: Jrue, Hauser, 26

Boston out: Jrue, Hauser
Boston in: Johnson, 27

SAS out: Johnson, Branham, Wesley, Bassey (EDIT: or just Barnes instead of these 3?)
SAS in: MPJ, Saric (into TPE)

Brooklyn out: 26, 27
Brooklyn in: Branham, Wesley, Bassey, DEN 2031 top 4 protected 1st

Why for Denver: all in for Jokic. Hauser replaces MPJ's shooting and Jrue is a big upgrade to westbrook
Why for Boston: save money and get a pick
Why for SAS: upgrade PF
Why for Brooklyn: roll forward assets

[Texas Chuck]

This is really good.

If I was going to make a suggestion it would be Barnes to Boston and 27 to SA. Boston gets a player who helps more, but more importantly loses that 2nd year. And I think that's worth giving up 27 for when they already have 28/32.

Spurs are taking on more money then, so give them the late pick for a cheap contributor as well.

[Godaddycurse]

This is really good.

If I was going to make a suggestion it would be Barnes to Boston and 27 to SA. Boston gets a player who helps more, but more importantly loses that 2nd year. And I think that's worth giving up 27 for when they already have 28/32.

Spurs are taking on more money then, so give them the late pick for a cheap contributor as well.

makes sense, although i would expect more push backs from Spurs fans since they seem to really like Barnes. I'm sure boston can turn johnson and 27 into an expiring vet elsewhere though

[Chinook]

The Spurs don't have a TPE, and Bassey's not under contract. The previous deal made more sense from my perspective. To make these numbers work, you'd need replace Johnson with Barnes and add in Champagnie -- which takes this from purely money-saving to actually giving Denver a cheap young player. That would warrant compensation for this deal, especially if the Spurs are using part of their MLE to make the deal happen.

I think the previous trade made more sense. The Spurs may not like the gamble, but at least the premise and mechanics are clearer.

[Godaddycurse]

The Spurs don't have a TPE, and Bassey's not under contract. The previous deal made more sense from my perspective. To make these numbers work, you'd need replace Johnson with Barnes and add in Champagnie -- which takes this from purely money-saving to actually giving Denver a cheap young player. That would warrant compensation for this deal, especially if the Spurs are using part of their MLE to make the deal happen.

I think the previous trade made more sense. The Spurs may not like the gamble, but at least the premise and mechanics are clearer.

spurs have MLE exception, sorry should've specified. Bassey i thought has a nonguaranteed deal for 25-26 on BRef... has he been released?

edit on closer inspection looks like you're right/im off on the matching salary by a little. shame this was my favourite version too. i guess can just replace the trio w/ barnes and send barnes to brooklyn nets instead

[hugepatsfan]

I don't think BRK is an economical salary dump team here. Branham and Wesley each have some 1st round pedigree. I think you could fine teams to individually take them on for a 2nd.

I think BOS is getting too good a deal to shed a huge chunk of money on Jrue each of the next two years and clear the third year. (General sidenote: I think Hauser is so easily moved to teams via TPE/MLE that I don't really count him thrown into a deal like this as saving BOS more money because it can be done elsewhere with no issue.)

So I'd amend it to this:

Denver out: MPJ, Saric, 2nds
Denver in: Jrue, Hauser, 28

Boston out: Jrue, Hauser, 28, 2nds
Boston in: Johnson

SAS out: Johnson, Branham, Wesley, Bassey
SAS in: MPJ, Saric (into TPE)

4th, 5th, and possibly 6th teams: Branham, Wesley, Bassey into MLE/TPEs for BOS/DEN 2nds

[brackdan70]

This is really good.

If I was going to make a suggestion it would be Barnes to Boston and 27 to SA. Boston gets a player who helps more, but more importantly loses that 2nd year. And I think that's worth giving up 27 for when they already have 28/32.

Spurs are taking on more money then, so give them the late pick for a cheap contributor as well.

makes sense, although i would expect more push backs from Spurs fans since they seem to really like Barnes. I'm sure boston can turn johnson and 27 into an expiring vet elsewhere though

I think with Johnson it saves the Celtics plenty of money and Johnson fits the timeline with Tatum.
I don’t mind the extra pick, maybe opportunity to trade up a bit.
I’d personally rather have Johnson than Barnes, not sure how POBO Stevens would look at it.

I agree good trade.

[brackdan70]

I don't think BRK is an economical salary dump team here. Branham and Wesley each have some 1st round pedigree. I think you could fine teams to individually take them on for a 2nd.

I think BOS is getting too good a deal to shed a huge chunk of money on Jrue each of the next two years and clear the third year. (General sidenote: I think Hauser is so easily moved to teams via TPE/MLE that I don't really count him thrown into a deal like this as saving BOS more money because it can be done elsewhere with no issue.)

So I'd amend it to this:

Denver out: MPJ, Saric, 2nds
Denver in: Jrue, Hauser, 28

Boston out: Jrue, Hauser, 28, 2nds
Boston in: Johnson

SAS out: Johnson, Branham, Wesley, Bassey
SAS in: MPJ, Saric (into TPE)

4th, 5th, and possibly 6th teams: Branham, Wesley, Bassey into MLE/TPEs for BOS/DEN 2nds

Bruh….you’re off the Celtics trade negotiations team.

Seriously fair points though. I’d say though if Hauser is in you don’t need to include 28.
Maybe you don’t get 27 like the OP though.

[williambh3]

I don't think BRK is an economical salary dump team here. Branham and Wesley each have some 1st round pedigree. I think you could fine teams to individually take them on for a 2nd.

I think BOS is getting too good a deal to shed a huge chunk of money on Jrue each of the next two years and clear the third year. (General sidenote: I think Hauser is so easily moved to teams via TPE/MLE that I don't really count him thrown into a deal like this as saving BOS more money because it can be done elsewhere with no issue.)

So I'd amend it to this:

Denver out: MPJ, Saric, 2nds
Denver in: Jrue, Hauser, 28

Boston out: Jrue, Hauser, 28, 2nds
Boston in: Johnson

SAS out: Johnson, Branham, Wesley, Bassey
SAS in: MPJ, Saric (into TPE)

4th, 5th, and possibly 6th teams: Branham, Wesley, Bassey into MLE/TPEs for BOS/DEN 2nds

I don’t know man, looks brutal for Boston. I tend to think Jrue can be flipped for a low value expiring, hauser probably fetches a 2nd into someones MLE. So why are they paying 28 and giving up the Hauser 2nd while also taking on a a questionable 2-year keldon deal?

[Chinook]

Bassey i thought has a nonguaranteed deal for 25-26 on BRef... has he been released?

Bassey was released and re-signed as part of the Barnes trade. That re-signed took Bassey from two non-guaranteed years left to one guaranteed year. So he's a free agent now.

[hugepatsfan]

I don't think BRK is an economical salary dump team here. Branham and Wesley each have some 1st round pedigree. I think you could fine teams to individually take them on for a 2nd.

I think BOS is getting too good a deal to shed a huge chunk of money on Jrue each of the next two years and clear the third year. (General sidenote: I think Hauser is so easily moved to teams via TPE/MLE that I don't really count him thrown into a deal like this as saving BOS more money because it can be done elsewhere with no issue.)

So I'd amend it to this:

Denver out: MPJ, Saric, 2nds
Denver in: Jrue, Hauser, 28

Boston out: Jrue, Hauser, 28, 2nds
Boston in: Johnson

SAS out: Johnson, Branham, Wesley, Bassey
SAS in: MPJ, Saric (into TPE)

4th, 5th, and possibly 6th teams: Branham, Wesley, Bassey into MLE/TPEs for BOS/DEN 2nds

I don’t know man, looks brutal for Boston. I tend to think Jrue can be flipped for a low value expiring, hauser probably fetches a 2nd into someones MLE. So why are they paying 28 and giving up the Hauser 2nd while also taking on a a questionable 2-year keldon deal?

Keldon's deal at $17.5M/year for 2 might be questionable because he's not really good, but Jrue's contract at like $34M/year for 3 is questionable too because of his age and how high the salary is. And while Keldon isn't really good, he's still young and it's not like he's really that bad either. He's just sort of "meh". I think Jrue's contract in this market is going to take 1st to turn into a "meh" young player on a deal half the size for two years and then off the books for the final season of Jrue's deal.

I don't think Hauser fetches 2nds in an outright dump taking no money back. I think you get a couple of good 2nds out of him if you took back an expiring salary to offset (1st if you took multi year money). But I think BOS forgoes that if they don't take salary back for him. Maybe there's enough demand I'm off on that though, because shooting is premium.

[shi-woo]

As a Boston fan I hate this. I push back on the idea that Jrue is a negative asset, and think we aren't just going to dump him for someone as mediocre as Keldon Johnson. I really think KJ is a nothing player, and don't think he fits this team at all given his size, inability to shoot, and lack of defense. Even if you made the recommended switch with Barnes, which I would 100% agree with, I still think you would need to reroute that DEN 31 pick to BOS and throw in something else. The Keldon part of this trade is just such a hard no from BOS.

BRK is getting back arguably the best long term assett in the deal for literally just eating marginal salary. It makes no sense, and I think their part of the deal could be reworked as well. THrow in Pickett maybe, and just do a swap with one of your picks and Boston's 2nd. They aren't eating enough salary to validate getting DEN's best trade assett. Now if you eat Zeke's deal, and send someone like Sharpe back, that would make more sense, and justify the pick. If not, I think they should be getting Bostons 2nd rounder, keeping their first, and not get that DEN pick.

As a Celtic fan, I look at Hauser as one of the best pure shooters in the league, and he's proven it at the highest level. In an NBA where Duncan Robinson is making like 17 mil, Hauser on a 11 mil contract in and of itself is worth more than Johnson and 27 imo, who I reiterate is a negative asset for us. I would much rather trade him to a team like DET for better assets, or another team in desperate need of shooting. We could do so much better than a late first in a draft were we have picks 28 and 32, and expect much better value coming back for him, let alone for him and Jrue.

Everything on the SAS side looks fine, though I question MPJ's as a part of that core, and dislike the idea of him and Fox being the guys they surround Wemby Castle and Harper with. If they bring on this much salary, I'd rather see them deal their larger contracts and #2 and get a legit game changing player like Brown, Bam, ect.

[brackdan70]

I don't think BRK is an economical salary dump team here. Branham and Wesley each have some 1st round pedigree. I think you could fine teams to individually take them on for a 2nd.

I think BOS is getting too good a deal to shed a huge chunk of money on Jrue each of the next two years and clear the third year. (General sidenote: I think Hauser is so easily moved to teams via TPE/MLE that I don't really count him thrown into a deal like this as saving BOS more money because it can be done elsewhere with no issue.)

So I'd amend it to this:

Denver out: MPJ, Saric, 2nds
Denver in: Jrue, Hauser, 28

Boston out: Jrue, Hauser, 28, 2nds
Boston in: Johnson

SAS out: Johnson, Branham, Wesley, Bassey
SAS in: MPJ, Saric (into TPE)

4th, 5th, and possibly 6th teams: Branham, Wesley, Bassey into MLE/TPEs for BOS/DEN 2nds

I don’t know man, looks brutal for Boston. I tend to think Jrue can be flipped for a low value expiring, hauser probably fetches a 2nd into someones MLE. So why are they paying 28 and giving up the Hauser 2nd while also taking on a a questionable 2-year keldon deal?

Keldon's deal at $17.5M/year for 2 might be questionable because he's not really good, but Jrue's contract at like $34M/year for 3 is questionable too because of his age and how high the salary is. And while Keldon isn't really good, he's still young and it's not like he's really that bad either. He's just sort of "meh". I think Jrue's contract in this market is going to take 1st to turn into a "meh" young player on a deal half the size for two years and then off the books for the final season of Jrue's deal.

I don't think Hauser fetches 2nds in an outright dump taking no money back. I think you get a couple of good 2nds out of him if you took back an expiring salary to offset (1st if you took multi year money). But I think BOS forgoes that if they don't take salary back for him. Maybe there's enough demand I'm off on that though, because shooting is premium.

Maybe.
I am going to Predict Jrue brings back positive value if he is traded unless it’s for an expiring making more than 10m less. I think with Hauser you are off. He is not really a dump even if a team is taking on his full salary. I think a lot of teams would happily give a second or two to take him into an exception and a few might give a first.

[One_and_Done]

This is really good.

If I was going to make a suggestion it would be Barnes to Boston and 27 to SA. Boston gets a player who helps more, but more importantly loses that 2nd year. And I think that's worth giving up 27 for when they already have 28/32.

Spurs are taking on more money then, so give them the late pick for a cheap contributor as well.

makes sense, although i would expect more push backs from Spurs fans since they seem to really like Barnes. I'm sure boston can turn johnson and 27 into an expiring vet elsewhere though

Yeh I doubt the Spurs do the Barnes part.

[Mavrelous]

DEN shouldn't trade their 1st for this, valuation way off

[djFan71]

I do the original from the Cs side. Value seems good to me. Not necessarily my first choice (I'd rather a better player an no pick or add a pick), but it's solid.

The amended version is over-compensating for the salary difference without considering the on-court difference enough, imo. I do agree with hpf that "saving" Hauser money isn't really a thing. We'd get a 2nd or 2 into and MLE pretty easily. So, for BOS it's kind of: Jrue, a 2nd or 2 for Johnson and 27, which seems fair given the on-court upgrade.

I'd take the Barnes and no 27 option for sure. Since they're getting MPJ, SAS may be more agreeable to that from a positional standpoint than they would in other scenarios.

[BelgradeNugget]

my last nuggets proposal for tonight..

Denver out: MPJ, Saric, 2031 top 4 protected 1st
Denver in: Jrue, Hauser, 26

Boston out: Jrue, Hauser
Boston in: Johnson, 27

SAS out: Johnson, Branham, Wesley, Bassey (EDIT: or just Barnes instead of these 3?)
SAS in: MPJ, Saric (into TPE)

Brooklyn out: 26, 27
Brooklyn in: Branham, Wesley, Bassey, DEN 2031 top 4 protected 1st

Why for Denver: all in for Jokic. Hauser replaces MPJ's shooting and Jrue is a big upgrade to westbrook
Why for Boston: save money and get a pick
Why for SAS: upgrade PF
Why for Brooklyn: roll forward assets

Very good idea, I like it for the Nuggets. I would suggest a little twist

Denver out: MPJ, Saric, Westbrook, Strawther, Tyson, 2031 top 4 protected 1st
Denver in: Jrue, Hauser, Goga, 32, 46, 2028 Was 2nd

Boston out: Jrue, Hauser, 32
Boston in: Barnes, 26

SAS out: Johnson, Barnes
SAS in: MPJ, Saric (into TPE)

Brooklyn out: 26, 27
Brooklyn in: Johnson, Tyson DEN 2031 top 4 protected 1st

Orlando out: Goga, 46, 2028 Was 2nd
Orlando in: Westbrook, Strawther, 27

[LeBronSpaghetti]

I don’t like this for Denver. I don’t think people realize how bad Jrue’s contract is. People think MPJ’s contract is bad? Jrue’s is much worse. He’ll be making $37 million when he’s 37 years old. He already took a big step back this season. Porter is overpaid too but this is a guy who will be 27 and 28 in the final two years of his deal. You can win a ring with Porter making what he’s making. I don’t know if you can with 37 year old Jrue making $37 million.

[BigGargamel]

No thanks from Denver's side. Holiday has taken several steps back the past couple of years, and he's at that point where he could fall off a cliff at any moment. Plus, like the guy above me mentioned, that contract is a killer. Adding a future first round pick for the right to take that risk doesn't make much sense.