Two ORL trades...

[BostoNZ]

#1

orl out: Cole Anthony, #16
Orl in: Hauser, #26,#27

Keep draft capital and save money for a better roster fit

BRK out: #26, #27
BRK in: Cole Anthony, #16

Use boatload of cap space to move up more than just the draft picks would typically indicate. Kinda still think there's some hope for Cole, too.

Celtics Out: Hauser
Celtics in: fake 2nd

Save $$$. I think Hauser has positive value more than just $$ saving, but I might be wrong?

#2

ORL out: KCP, #25, #27
ORL in: Sexton

Orlando admits the KCP mistake and moves on - one pick for future saving and one for talent upgrade. #16 felt a little strong by itself so I invented trade #1 to disperse. I like Sexton more than most and think he's a great fit in Orlando - I assume he'd extend too.

UTA out: Sexton
UTA in: KCP, #25,#27


Maybe Sexton doesn't want extend there, maybe Utah doesn't want him too. Extending the tank might be in order. KCP could have an uptick there, and at least gives some level of 3+D on the wing for the development environment.



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[BK_2020]

At this point, Boston needs to do anything to reset its finances but Hauser should go for an asset or as an asset assisting a bigger salary dump. Cutting $10 million does nothing. Boston is still paying a huge tax, still over the 2nd apron. And worse, Boston would be left with 5 rotation-quality players and headed straight for the lottery, possibly bottom 5 in the league. This is why piecemeal payroll cuts around the edges won't do anything, not in changing their financial state, not in pulling them out of the lottery.

[BostoNZ]

Yep I think he's worth something small on that contract so maybe they get a second or two here. It does get them 10 mil closer to being out of the second apron and doesn't preclude a KP or Jrue deal later

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[Trillen]

I may be delusional but I'm pretty high on this draft, and especially some of the guys in play at around 16th in the draft. Although the Magic could certainly use a guy like Hauser, I don't think he's a player worth dropping from #16 for.

[Texas Chuck]

. #16 felt a little strong by itself so I invented trade #1 to disperse.

This may have been your motivation, but I also really like the Hauser addition for the Magic on its own merits. They are desperate for more shooting especially with KCP going out and he's held up enough defensively that Moseley should put him right in the rotation without worrying about his defense.

I really like this for the Magic. Anthony/KCP/#16 for Sexton/Hauser is something I'd be pretty happy with if I couldn't go get a star PG. And I don't expect them to go get a star PG.

Values seem fine for the other teams, though I agree Hauser might should return something. I'd do a 28 for 25 swap as needed for that.

Good deals.

[Texas Chuck]

Cutting $10 million does nothing..

Uh hard hard no. Boston saves multiples of that in real money. And guess what real money is worth?

[Nyce_1]

Orlando isn't including #16 with an expiring to help Boston's financial troubles. Bos should adding a pick to dump Hauser in this scenario.

[brackdan70]

Cutting $10 million does nothing..

Uh hard hard no. Boston saves multiples of that in real money. And guess what real money is worth?

Yea that 10 million is like in the 7x repeater luxury tax tier so saves about 70 million. Nothing to shake a stick at.
And for 26/27 it gets them way under both aprons with an easy opportunity to duck the tax altogether.

That said I do think the Celtics should get a real second back for Hauser.
In a vacuum I think he is worth a late first. Great rotation player on a team friendly contract.

I think it is overstated how much the Celtics “need” to cut. Sure it would be nice to get under the 2nd Apron this year and under the tax in 26/27, but really if they can just cut about 18 million for this coming year they will get out of those costliest repeater tiers and be at a sustainable financial level. Cutting about 12-13 million for 26/27 will give them a good chance to be under the tax altogether. Hauser alone doesn’t do it but comes close.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm not trying to tell anyone how much Boston should cut. I agree Hauser is worth something.

I just think we are too far along to keep claiming that tens of millions of dollars has no value. I get casual fans can only think in terms of what value do I get in on the court help or draft picks. But saving that money now allows it to potentially be reallocated later. And as much as we all appreciate Hauser none of us think he is worth $70M a year especially in a year when the superstar is missing the season....

[Skybox]

I like it but I'd prefer Simons in trade #2 (to Sexton)...I'd be happy to get Sexton, but I have more doubts about him. I also question whether two frps is one too many (even late ones)...but I like #1 as the setup for the next one in some variation...

I know others will disagree, but I think KCP would be a good acquisition for POR(Simons) or NOLA (if it's CJ) or CHI (Coby)...maybe not UTA, in their perpetual tank, given his salary - even though it's only 2 more seasons. All of the "targets" are expiring too, so that's a concern for ORL's upcoming financial concerns - they can't have these guys holding them hostage for an overpay, knowing that ORL will have no cap space to replace them. I would hope that, in any of the cases, a reasonable extension would be agreed to prior to the trade.

ORL can still find someone interesting at #26 as well.

Good one, IMO...good for BRK too.

[BK_2020]

Cutting $10 million does nothing..

Uh hard hard no. Boston saves multiples of that in real money. And guess what real money is worth?

Yea that 10 million is like in the 7x repeater luxury tax tier so saves about 70 million. Nothing to shake a stick at.
And for 26/27 it gets them way under both aprons with an easy opportunity to duck the tax altogether.

That said I do think the Celtics should get a real second back for Hauser.
In a vacuum I think he is worth a late first. Great rotation player on a team friendly contract.

I think it is overstated how much the Celtics “need” to cut. Sure it would be nice to get under the 2nd Apron this year and under the tax in 26/27, but really if they can just cut about 18 million for this coming year they will get out of those costliest repeater tiers and be at a sustainable financial level. Cutting about 12-13 million for 26/27 will give them a good chance to be under the tax altogether. Hauser alone doesn’t do it but comes close.

Agreed, a better way to put my original point would've been to say deleting Hauser's $10 million does not meet any of the benchmarks they need to escape being the next Suns, which are:
1. Below the 2nd apron by the start of 25-26 season.
2. Below the tax by the start of 26-27 season.
3. Accumulate real assets for a reload in 27 offseason.
Remove Hauser and they are $10 million over the 2nd apron with 2 roster spots to fill, probably 3 since they would want to carry 15 to compensate for Tatum being out all season. They will have to get substantial savings from trading Jrue and possibly Porzingis to get below the 2nd apron, which may not be possible without expending draft capital and definitely not possible without taking back some bad salary. So in the scenario where the Celtics try to "manage" the repeater tax and apron penalties, they will find themselves with a bottom 5 in the league-tier roster with less draft capital than they started with. Why?
Tatum, 31 year old Brown, 33 year old White, a "Payton Pritchard", and maybe a T-MLE player is not a contending roster in 2027-28. Holding on to Brown and White accomplishes nothing, as it doesn't permit the Celtics to stay in contention. A roster of Brown, White, Pritchard, and a bunch of bad contracts + minimums is a bottom 5 roster in the league. It doesn't make it easier to contend when Tatum is back. If anything, holding on to Brown and White makes it harder to compete in 27-28.

[djFan71]

Uh hard hard no. Boston saves multiples of that in real money. And guess what real money is worth?

Yea that 10 million is like in the 7x repeater luxury tax tier so saves about 70 million. Nothing to shake a stick at.
And for 26/27 it gets them way under both aprons with an easy opportunity to duck the tax altogether.

That said I do think the Celtics should get a real second back for Hauser.
In a vacuum I think he is worth a late first. Great rotation player on a team friendly contract.

I think it is overstated how much the Celtics “need” to cut. Sure it would be nice to get under the 2nd Apron this year and under the tax in 26/27, but really if they can just cut about 18 million for this coming year they will get out of those costliest repeater tiers and be at a sustainable financial level. Cutting about 12-13 million for 26/27 will give them a good chance to be under the tax altogether. Hauser alone doesn’t do it but comes close.

Agreed, a better way to put my original point would've been to say deleting Hauser's $10 million does not meet any of the benchmarks they need to escape being the next Suns, which are:
1. Below the 2nd apron by the start of 25-26 season.
2. Below the tax by the start of 26-27 season.
3. Accumulate real assets for a reload in 27 offseason.
Remove Hauser and they are $10 million over the 2nd apron with 2 roster spots to fill, probably 3 since they would want to carry 15 to compensate for Tatum being out all season. They will have to get substantial savings from trading Jrue and possibly Porzingis to get below the 2nd apron, which may not be possible without expending draft capital and definitely not possible without taking back some bad salary. So in the scenario where the Celtics try to "manage" the repeater tax and apron penalties, they will find themselves with a bottom 5 in the league-tier roster with less draft capital than they started with. Why?
Tatum, 31 year old Brown, 33 year old White, a "Payton Pritchard", and maybe a T-MLE player is not a contending roster in 2027-28. Holding on to Brown and White accomplishes nothing, as it doesn't permit the Celtics to stay in contention. A roster of Brown, White, Pritchard, and a bunch of bad contracts + minimums is a bottom 5 roster in the league. It doesn't make it easier to contend when Tatum is back. If anything, holding on to Brown and White makes it harder to compete in 27-28.

This is the "a single trade doesn't have to fix everything" scenario, though. If you get a reasonable asset from Hauser in this deal (which was your point, and I agree), the rest occurs elsewhere and can involve that asset. ORL trades don't have to fix BOS' entire outlook.

[orlando_joe]

i still think if nets do not pick up star player they need to reach floor..and will want to stay flexible for deadline and next summer both jett and cole fit the kind of players they will want expiring team options with upside one who father is coach and other with big ny roots..and may only cost a 2nd or fake 2nd for magic to move to get under tax if needed and get tpe ...not pick 16