KD to the Spurs / Vassell, Sochan, picks to the Suns.

[drchaos]

If the price for KD is this low maybe the Nets should offer Cam, Claxton and a first.

[gswhoops]

If the price for KD is this low maybe the Nets should offer Cam, Claxton and a first.

Would KD be willing to go back to Brooklyn? Honest question, I don't really remember how things ended there.

[drchaos]

If the price for KD is this low maybe the Nets should offer Cam, Claxton and a first.

Would KD be willing to go back to Brooklyn? Honest question, I don't really remember how things ended there.

Things got weird with Kyrie who wanted to go to LA.

The Nets sent KD to Phoenix where he wanted to go so they seemed to get along just fine.

[wemby]

If the price for KD is this low maybe the Nets should offer Cam, Claxton and a first.

KD rebuffed a Warriors reunion, I don't think the Nets would fare better.

[Slim Charless]

If the price for KD is this low maybe the Nets should offer Cam, Claxton and a first.

KD rebuffed a Warriors reunion, I don't think the Nets would fare better.

Rebuffed it...for now. He went someone's podcast and said he doesn't mind revisting it later in the summer. His whole issue was picking up and moving in the middle of the season.

So add them to the list. I don't think that will happen but who knows

[gswhoops]

If the price for KD is this low maybe the Nets should offer Cam, Claxton and a first.

KD rebuffed a Warriors reunion, I don't think the Nets would fare better.

Rebuffed it...for now. He went someone's podcast and said he doesn't mind revisting it later in the summer. His whole issue was picking up and moving in the middle of the season.

So add them to the list. I don't think that will happen but who knows

I think that ship sailed when we got Jimmy.

[One_and_Done]

As others have said, a huge overpay by the Spurs. No chance they do this.

[williambh3]

If these are the players the suns want - and I think they might be - remove the two future picks and I think this is pretty spot on.

[Saberestar]

If these are the players the suns want - and I think they might be - remove the two future picks and I think this is pretty spot on.

The picks would be needed because there could be better offers for KD.

The Clippers (for example) is a wildcard...if they put out there Zubac, Powell and 2030 unprotected FRP that would be a better offer.

The same can be said about the Wolves if they decide to give up on McDaniels to add KD to their roster.

We will know more about potential offers in the next couple of days.

[Slim Charless]

If these are the players the suns want - and I think they might be - remove the two future picks and I think this is pretty spot on.

The picks would be needed because there could be better offers for KD.

The Clippers (for example) is a wildcard...if they put out there Zubac, Powell and 2030 unprotected FRP that would be a better offer.

The same can be said about the Wolves if they decide to give up on McDaniels to add KD to their roster.

We will know more about potential offers in the next couple of days.

If this breaks bad for the Thunder, they have to think about it and KD would welcome a return to his original team and the chance to bring a title to them at the end of his career.

That happens, the price on him goes up big time. Other teams can't let him go there if they want a title in the next 2, maybe 3, maybe even 4 years.

[jredsaz]

Saying a player who just turned 22 years old, is an expiring with RFA option, has MASSIVE defensive potential and posted 11.4 points, 6.5 rebounds 2.4 assists on 53/31/70 splits is a negative is a wild, wild take. You can argue about value, but it'd take the Spurs less than it took me to write this post to find a team willing to take him for free, if nothing else.

For one year, he's not a negative. He doesn't make enough money to be one. Next year, I'll die on that hill if he doesn't show significant improvement and no amount of Rebounds per Game like it's 1996 will change that.

I don't see massive defensive potential. You do. That's fine.

He routinely guarded the opposing team's best player, from Brunson to SGA to Ant to Luka, and did a fantastic job most times. He's just playing in a tanking team, and doesn't rack up counting stats (blocks, steals) so if you combine that with the fact that he's on the floor when the opposing team's best player is and the team has no structure, then he obviously gets the short end of the stick in terms of most defensive stats. But if you watched him, you can't say he doesn't have enormous defensive potential.

It's a matter of him adding something on offense to go along, so that he doesn't get played off the floor in the playoffs. Hell, if the Spurs had shooting around him that wouldn't even be a problem. The only way I see the Spurs offloading him would be if he has crazy expectations for an extension, then they'd be much more inclined to move him. Otherwise he's a more interesting bet that a lot of first rounders in this very class.

Sochans inability to shoot is rough and it creators his value. In this draft I’d comp him to Murphy-Boyles who is mocked anywhere from late lottery to early 20s. But Boyles has a rookie deal and two years age he wise to o figure out his shot. That puts Sochan in the flyer 2nd round draft pick value.

[One_and_Done]

For one year, he's not a negative. He doesn't make enough money to be one. Next year, I'll die on that hill if he doesn't show significant improvement and no amount of Rebounds per Game like it's 1996 will change that.

I don't see massive defensive potential. You do. That's fine.

He routinely guarded the opposing team's best player, from Brunson to SGA to Ant to Luka, and did a fantastic job most times. He's just playing in a tanking team, and doesn't rack up counting stats (blocks, steals) so if you combine that with the fact that he's on the floor when the opposing team's best player is and the team has no structure, then he obviously gets the short end of the stick in terms of most defensive stats. But if you watched him, you can't say he doesn't have enormous defensive potential.

It's a matter of him adding something on offense to go along, so that he doesn't get played off the floor in the playoffs. Hell, if the Spurs had shooting around him that wouldn't even be a problem. The only way I see the Spurs offloading him would be if he has crazy expectations for an extension, then they'd be much more inclined to move him. Otherwise he's a more interesting bet that a lot of first rounders in this very class.

Sochans inability to shoot is rough and it creators his value. In this draft I’d comp him to Murphy-Boyles who is mocked anywhere from late lottery to early 20s. But Boyles has a rookie deal and two years age he wise to o figure out his shot. That puts Sochan in the flyer 2nd round draft pick value.

If Sochan learns to hit open shots, he's a starter. If he doesn't, he's not. It's not hopeless, the guy did show progress, so it's a wait and see situation. The Spurs seem to have some faith in him.

What makes no sense is why, if he's being treated as having no value, the Spurs would trade him. It is fine for other teams not to value your guys as much as you do, but it makes no sense to trade low on them like that. Just trade some filler instead of him if he has no value to the Suns. Like, if you think he's only worth a 2nd, cool; I'm sure the Spurs would rather give you the 2nd instead of him.

[Jojothewhale]

What makes no sense is why, if he's being treated as having no value, the Spurs would trade him. It is fine for other teams not to value your guys as much as you do, but it makes no sense to trade low on them like that. Just trade some filler instead of him if he has no value to the Suns. Like, if you think he's only worth a 2nd, cool; I'm sure the Spurs would rather give you the 2nd instead of him.

I said this too, so I'm not sure why we're having this discussion. We agree.

The Spurs would just keep him rather than trade him to a team where I was the GM. That's how most valuations in the NBA goes. Trades are incredibly difficult to make because opinions will vary wildly on players and you're often trying to acquire a guy from a team who was recently the highest on him. That's a high bar to reach on almost every player. Then you still have to outbid every other interested team on top of that.

[pipfan]

I saw somewhere the Suns wanted a center back
Any way the Bulls could get Barnes, and send Vuc to the Valley?

Vuc is bad on D but he's very good on offense (almost All Star level on offense) and plays nightly

Bulls save $ and improve their defense

[Celts17Pride]

If I was the Spurs I would offer Johnson/Barnes/Sochan/#14 pick for Kevin Durant. If the Suns so no, then the Spurs should just move along to the next thing.

[williambh3]

He routinely guarded the opposing team's best player, from Brunson to SGA to Ant to Luka, and did a fantastic job most times. He's just playing in a tanking team, and doesn't rack up counting stats (blocks, steals) so if you combine that with the fact that he's on the floor when the opposing team's best player is and the team has no structure, then he obviously gets the short end of the stick in terms of most defensive stats. But if you watched him, you can't say he doesn't have enormous defensive potential.

It's a matter of him adding something on offense to go along, so that he doesn't get played off the floor in the playoffs. Hell, if the Spurs had shooting around him that wouldn't even be a problem. The only way I see the Spurs offloading him would be if he has crazy expectations for an extension, then they'd be much more inclined to move him. Otherwise he's a more interesting bet that a lot of first rounders in this very class.

Sochans inability to shoot is rough and it creators his value. In this draft I’d comp him to Murphy-Boyles who is mocked anywhere from late lottery to early 20s. But Boyles has a rookie deal and two years age he wise to o figure out his shot. That puts Sochan in the flyer 2nd round draft pick value.

If Sochan learns to hit open shots, he's a starter. If he doesn't, he's not. It's not hopeless, the guy did show progress, so it's a wait and see situation. The Spurs seem to have some faith in him.

What makes no sense is why, if he's being treated as having no value, the Spurs would trade him. It is fine for other teams not to value your guys as much as you do, but it makes no sense to trade low on them like that. Just trade some filler instead of him if he has no value to the Suns. Like, if you think he's only worth a 2nd, cool; I'm sure the Spurs would rather give you the 2nd instead of him.

While it seems like it's time to give up on Sochan's development as a shooter, it's definitely not. All he needs to do is become a Herb Jones -level shooter to be a solid NBA starter.

At Sochan's age, Herb was a junior in college who shot 1-14 from three for the season and was a career 54% free throw shooter - so miles away from being a Sochan -level shooter. I'm not sure how or why, but he figured it out over the next couple seasons... so I'm telling you there's a chance.