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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#21 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:54 pm

100% against drafting VJ. Paying a premium for him is unspeakable.
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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#22 » by Laimbeer » Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:56 pm

At some point George apparently went from cancer to mentor.
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Post#23 » by Godaddycurse » Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:13 pm

Laimbeer wrote:At some point George apparently went from cancer to mentor.


Miller really likes george apparently
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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#24 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:16 pm

Laimbeer wrote:At some point George apparently went from cancer to mentor.


One issue is that he was never cancer(also a really gross way to referring to a huma being). Feels like an invented narrative.
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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#25 » by daoneandonly » Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:49 pm

This makes sense to me. Miller would love to have Pg13 there ,they unload their own trash, and ensure they get their guy at 3. Philly breaks a terrible deal into smaller ones and only moves down 1
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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#26 » by Rich4114 » Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:59 pm

This would be an insanely dumb move for Charlotte to make and the opposite of what they've said they're looking to accomplish. Also, I don't want to see my team contribute to bailing Morey out of this mess lol
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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#27 » by JustBuzzin » Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:16 am

I think Charlotte would just take Ace at #4 if the plan is to have him mentor Miller. Draft Ace and he could mentor both Miller and Ace.
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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#28 » by GutUNC » Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:23 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Charlottes not nearly close enough to doing anything to be giving up assets to pick between two equal tier prospects. If Philly wants Ace they can just draft him and nobody would bat an eye, whats the point of trading up for that. VJ isn't some franchise changing prize


For sure, but the assumption here is that VJ is seen as the more desirable piece. Whether or not that's what the team's think is in the eye of the beholder.
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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#29 » by GutUNC » Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:25 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Charlotte taking on 135 million in future salary, 110 million when PG will be 36 and 37 yrs old. That is a pretty hard sell, I don't think moving up 1 pick in the draft is worth close to that.

I think #4, #33 and #34 are pretty close to the cost to move up 1 spot.

If I am giving up future first round picks I would need to be moving up to 2 for Harper.


The consensus seems to be that the Sixers would have to give up the unprotected Clippers 1st to move up 1 spot. I don't think there's any way a couple of 2nds gets you from 4 to 3. But I do agree that Charlotte shouldn't give up a future first unless it's got decent (say top-6 or 8) protections with where they're at currently.
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Post#30 » by nate33 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:05 pm

This is a pipe dream for Philly. All these proposals for trade downs are asking WAY too much.

Except for a handful of generational prospects, drafts are mostly a crapshoot. A team would be crazy to pay that much to move up one spot when history shows the difference between pick #3 and pick #4 is practically nothing.

I don’t think Charlotte wants VJ bad enough to pay this price. They’ll just wait for #4 and pick between Tre and Ace. Heck, Philly may not even take VJ at #3.
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Post#31 » by Godaddycurse » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:12 pm

nate33 wrote:This is a pipe dream for Philly. All these proposals for trade downs are asking WAY too much.

Except for a handful of generational prospects, drafts are mostly a crapshoot. A team would be crazy to pay that much to move up one spot when history shows the difference between pick #3 and pick #4 is practically nothing.

I don’t think Charlotte wants VJ bad enough to pay this price. They’ll just wait for #4 and pick between Tre and Ace. Heck, Philly may not even take VJ at #3.


they might not but other teams might move ahead of charlotte
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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#32 » by the_process » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:19 pm

nate33 wrote:This is a pipe dream for Philly. All these proposals for trade downs are asking WAY too much.

Except for a handful of generational prospects, drafts are mostly a crapshoot. A team would be crazy to pay that much to move up one spot when history shows the difference between pick #3 and pick #4 is practically nothing.

I don’t think Charlotte wants VJ bad enough to pay this price. They’ll just wait for #4 and pick between Tre and Ace. Heck, Philly may not even take VJ at #3.


Somebody is going to fall in love with Ace, or VJ, or Tre.

When that happens you want to get up and secure your guy.

Could even be the Wizards.
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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#33 » by JMAC3 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:24 pm

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JMAC3 wrote:Charlotte taking on 135 million in future salary, 110 million when PG will be 36 and 37 yrs old. That is a pretty hard sell, I don't think moving up 1 pick in the draft is worth close to that.

I think #4, #33 and #34 are pretty close to the cost to move up 1 spot.

If I am giving up future first round picks I would need to be moving up to 2 for Harper.


The consensus seems to be that the Sixers would have to give up the unprotected Clippers 1st to move up 1 spot. I don't think there's any way a couple of 2nds gets you from 4 to 3. But I do agree that Charlotte shouldn't give up a future first unless it's got decent (say top-6 or 8) protections with where they're at currently.


The difference between jumping to 2 and jumping to 3 matters, especially in this draft where there is a clear tier break.

Vecenie had Charlotte giving up 4, 33 and taking on Drummond contract as enough to move up to #3.
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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#34 » by the_process » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:47 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
GutUNC wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Charlotte taking on 135 million in future salary, 110 million when PG will be 36 and 37 yrs old. That is a pretty hard sell, I don't think moving up 1 pick in the draft is worth close to that.

I think #4, #33 and #34 are pretty close to the cost to move up 1 spot.

If I am giving up future first round picks I would need to be moving up to 2 for Harper.


The consensus seems to be that the Sixers would have to give up the unprotected Clippers 1st to move up 1 spot. I don't think there's any way a couple of 2nds gets you from 4 to 3. But I do agree that Charlotte shouldn't give up a future first unless it's got decent (say top-6 or 8) protections with where they're at currently.


The difference between jumping to 2 and jumping to 3 matters, especially in this draft where there is a clear tier break.

Vecenie had Charlotte giving up 4, 33 and taking on Drummond contract as enough to move up to #3.


That doesn't make Vecenie right.
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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#35 » by JMAC3 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:51 pm

Charlotte would have to view Paul George as a positive asset to make this deal.
Maybe they do, he has the star appeal by name.
However, I think the new front office is a bit smarter than that, maybe if Jordan was still there pushing ticket sales over actually taking steps to get better.
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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#36 » by GutUNC » Sat Jun 14, 2025 11:08 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
GutUNC wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Charlotte taking on 135 million in future salary, 110 million when PG will be 36 and 37 yrs old. That is a pretty hard sell, I don't think moving up 1 pick in the draft is worth close to that.

I think #4, #33 and #34 are pretty close to the cost to move up 1 spot.

If I am giving up future first round picks I would need to be moving up to 2 for Harper.


The consensus seems to be that the Sixers would have to give up the unprotected Clippers 1st to move up 1 spot. I don't think there's any way a couple of 2nds gets you from 4 to 3. But I do agree that Charlotte shouldn't give up a future first unless it's got decent (say top-6 or 8) protections with where they're at currently.


The difference between jumping to 2 and jumping to 3 matters, especially in this draft where there is a clear tier break.

Vecenie had Charlotte giving up 4, 33 and taking on Drummond contract as enough to move up to #3.


Sure, but unprotected 1st from an aging team is a vast gulph of a difference from 2 2nds.
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Re: Charlotte - Philadelphia 

Post#37 » by Foshan » Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:26 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:At some point George apparently went from cancer to mentor.


One issue is that he was never cancer(also a really gross way to referring to a huma being). Feels like an invented narrative.

How is it in a trade that involves Bridges, PG can be viewed as the bad apple? lol

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